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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:12:00 -
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Further to this thread
I'm thinking out getting a 'group learning' forum together, so as this software is free, anyone interested in learning CGI and making Internet spaceships eye candy.
Ps. Posting now in GD not OOP as this is EVE related now
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:13:00 -
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Count me in, maybe people would stop complaining about crayons and start complaining about using toothpicks and marshmellows :P
I guess ill start with this destroyer since I got the 3d map on blueprints in my yard http://www.deviantart.com/download/183628036/parking___minmatar_blunder_dd_by_novafox-d31bsas.jpg
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:21:00 -
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Cool mate. Nice to have you on board.
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Eve Mione
Eve Industry Unlimited
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:09:00 -
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Found this thread and proceeded to the original thread.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:17:00 -
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Hmmm... been messing around with 3ds max (free student version :D) and triexporter, GIMP ect making new textures and stuff like that. And I've always liked modeling, so count me in as well. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
295
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:20:00 -
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Nice one folks
Forums are under construction so we can post and compare our work, and for tutorial purposes.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:27:00 -
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Ok just to reassure those interested that I am making headway on this project.
Forums are up and running but need decorating (they look naff) as soon as thats done they will be open to members of the group
But so everyone can get a taster and for those who are raring to go, I'll repost this here - it's the first short tutorial I have written for the forums, hope it's useful (and yes to the expert I know this is a very general overview though constructive critism is welcomed )
Quote:An Introduction to the software and basic concepts of CGI
Hexagon. Is a mesh modeler. Here is where you can make practically any shape possible if you know how and have the time
Daz Is a charecter modeler . Here you can clothe and pose model and backgrounds and render images.
Bryce is a landscape creator, It has tools to create water and sky and cloud effects, you can also render images in Bryce
Daz and Bryce also have animation tools, though I don't know how robust they are.
Some basic concepts and how they work together to create an image
Mesh - Also Objects - These are your items, created from squares (more accuratly 2 triangles forming a square) you can do almost anything given enough time skill knowlege and effort.
Textures - Also Bitmaps - This is the colour applied to your mesh at it's most simple a plain colour . A bitmap is a 2d file used for the purposes of defining how the surface will look. You can apply many diffrent bitmaps to many diffrent ascpets of a surface to create a final effect.
Lights - Spotlights, omni directional lights (like light bulbs) , theres many diffrent abjects you can use to bring illumination to the scene.
Camera - Not a lot to say really does what it says on the tin.
Action- Well the render button anyway, this is what you hit when your ready your computer thinks about it for a while (used to be bloody ages believe me, fairly snappy now in comparison) and shows you a beatifully rendered image of what the camera could see.
A basic workflow pretty much follows that order
-Create objects and surface
-Put things where you want them to be
-Light the scene as realistically as possible
-Find your best camera angle
-Hit render ... Wait
-Be not entirely happy and go and repeat some stage until you are.
Simples.
Enjoy
Perhaps your first task might be to search your suites directory tree and find what types of goodies come with it (daz just tells you) and see what you can do given what you now know.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:31:00 -
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Ill be needing the most help in step 1 I am certain steps 2 3 4 and 5 would be the easier. And I think my computer will take bloody ages to render its an ol core 2 duo when they first came out. Im not due for an overhaul on my MB for another year.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
296
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:35:00 -
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OK nice to have some feedback, Cheers.
Does sort of coincide with my plans for the next step which will be hopefully how to model a ship using Hexagon.
In fact given your background experience and portfolio is there anything that you have front side and top images of that you would like to send me and I can base the tutorial around creating one of your designs
/Edit also stages 2 and 3 aren't as easy as they first sound, 2 at least is a complex subject and being able to accuratly create the lighting for a complex scene is an artform in itself. Don't be put of though becuase in one way you are right they are initially the easiest first stages, but being competent at them is what will really bring your image to life.
//edit also lols think my rig was an AMD 400 Mhz thing when I first started rendering. Hours man Hours and Hours for a decent render that was 12 years ago though
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:46:00 -
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Oh wow neat, I remember messing about with a version 2 or 3 Bryce, was pretty cool. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3282
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:07:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:OK nice to have some feedback, Cheers. Does sort of coincide with my plans for the next step which will be hopefully how to model a ship using Hexagon. In fact given your background experience and portfolio is there anything that you have front side and top images of that you would like to send me and I can base the tutorial around creating one of your designs /Edit also stages 2 and 3 aren't as easy as they first sound, 2 at least is a complex subject and being able to accuratly create the lighting for a complex scene is an artform in itself. Don't be put of though becuase in one way you are right they are initially the easiest first stages, but being competent at them is what will really bring your image to life. //edit also lols think my rig was an AMD 400 Mhz thing when I first started rendering. Hours man Hours and Hours for a decent render that was 12 years ago though
I have the albatross escort carrier shouldnt be too hard as its a simpler design
http://www.deviantart.com/download/161306157/Albatross_Layout_by_novafox.jpg http://www.deviantart.com/download/254323146/alabtross_launching_by_novafox-d47f0zu.jpg
There is then the serpentis battlecruiser asp which is a bit harder but has more cruves. Which might serve better as a intermediate ship to try out.
http://www.deviantart.com/download/214782558/asp_battlecruiser_blueprint_by_novafox-d3jvja6.jpg http://www.deviantart.com/download/214545380/serpentis_battlecruiser_asp_by_novafox-d3jqg9w.jpg
And the SOE urania which I think is probably a bit more difficult.
http://novafox.deviantart.com/gallery/24886?offset=0#/d2yf3wf
and thats the only three I uploaded that are still relative the rest of the designs with top side views I retried for various reasons. I can clean up the views if need to or provide addtional ones or if you want pick out a ship from the entire inventory and Ill see about generating the view points for it.
http://novafox.deviantart.com/gallery/ lots of old stuff alot of ships I have on paper but never uploaded.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:13:00 -
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Tell you what Mr Fox since you have a large portfolio anyhow perhaps you would like a Sub forum to yourself to display that , and description/ingame ideas and such ?
I would imagine your works presented as a whole would be rather immpresive
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:29:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Tell you what Mr Fox since you have a large portfolio anyhow perhaps you would like a Sub forum to yourself to display that , and description/ingame ideas and such ? I would imagine your works presented as a whole would be rather immpresive
Possibly, Ill post my progress as I model the ships up I guess let others poke at it or they can make requests for ship designs and or diagrams of ones Ive done so far/or updated on paper.
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Wild Rho
Silent Core
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Posted - 2012.02.25 08:37:00 -
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Any issues with me having a go at creating one of those ships in blender? Sounds like a fun challenge. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.25 23:39:00 -
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Hey guys, nice idea. I have been using blender for a few years and am able to pull ships our of eve using triexporter as well as texture them properly (or improperly if you like). I was actually looking for someone that knew what these new "pgs" maps were. They are new as of the latest expansion. Abandon on table
I have a few more examples, but for some reason the forum keeps giving me some error when I try to link them. |
Grey Azorria
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.26 00:17:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:Hey guys, nice idea. I have been using blender for a few years and am able to pull ships our of eve using triexporter as well as texture them properly (or improperly if you like). I was actually looking for someone that knew what these new "pgs" maps were. They are new as of the latest expansion. Abandon on tableI have a few more examples, but for some reason the forum keeps giving me some error when I try to link them. The pgs maps have masks in the red and blue channels (not to sure how to use those), the spec map in the green, and the lights and any transparency in the aplha channel. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.26 05:08:00 -
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I've never seen a map like the pgs ones. Makes me think ccp has a custom texturing program they put together themselves. Hell I don't know. The biggest difference I see to the textures of the ships since the last expansion is the mirror and transparency. So maybe it has something to do with that? I just finished pulling all the Gallente frigates out of eve with all the textures. I'm going to try to get all the ships out. They aren't very big as far as MB size. frigate was 5mb with all the textures. So I figure all the ships can't be more than a gig tops. If anyone needs a model or shoot me a line and I'll send it to ur email. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.26 05:56:00 -
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Okay got the free programs and got them installed trying to toy around with them now.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.26 14:33:00 -
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OK Daily update on this project.
Should be looking into the CSS necessary to decorate the forums (it's the first time I've run a forum alone and I'd like it to look nice) either today or tommorow, not sure how long it's going to take me to Hax something together though.
RE: Blender... Frankly whatever tools you use hopefuly theres something everyone can get out of this project, your more than welcome to join in.
RE: Model and Bitmap Export from EVE - Didn't know that was even possible, perhaps someone with some knowledge of the process would be good enough to explain the ABC's of it fo me, cheers.
I'm hoping to have 'opening day' on or before the 28 as the software offer runs out on the 29th IIRC so that would give me one last day for a linked mailshot on the 3 forums I'm trying to get people interested on.
So if anyone is interested in doing a quick 'what I could do when I joined' Image, I think that would be interesting so in x weeks time you can look back and see how much you have improved.
Forum invitations will be sent by EVE-mail by me to everyone who has shown any interest in this idea as soon as the forums are ready.
Cheers for your continued interest and patience in this matter
A.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.26 14:49:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:RE: Model and Bitmap Export from EVE - Didn't know that was even possible, perhaps someone with some knowledge of the process would be good enough to explain the ABC's of it fo me, cheers. You use a porgram called Triexporter to extract them, someone else has already made a nice Tutorial to go with it.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.26 15:01:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:RE: Model and Bitmap Export from EVE - Didn't know that was even possible, perhaps someone with some knowledge of the process would be good enough to explain the ABC's of it fo me, cheers. You use a porgram called Triexporter to extract them, someone else has already made a nice Tutorial to go with it.
CTRL+D'd thanks, will look into it.
Could vastly improve the quality of images we are able to produce fairly quickly.
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:18:00 -
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Perhaps I could host you for a few seminars on my TS3 server if that would be useful? Keen to learn this new skill. |
Omu Matol
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.26 16:46:00 -
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I like taking the ships and rendering them so they look like lil toy ships
This was a screenshot taken from marmoset toolbag, which is a realtime model viewer/renderer.
Tiny Oracle
As a professional cg artist, I'd be willing to lend a hand if someone needed specific help. I use photoshop, 3dsmax, and vray on a daily basis for my job. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:11:00 -
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I love TS personally so thanks for that offer.
Also nice to have you both on board.
Perhaps the first idea might be that some of the more experinced amongst us who are willing to tap out a lttile tutorial or 2 (we can work on refining them later if neccasery) it might be an idea to discuss what topics we would like to cover.
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Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:43:00 -
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Omu, that picture is amazing. I only tried to render one model like that and the photo was bad, so I had to make the model look bad to compensate. I still haven't found what the pgs are for, but I am beginning to think they are going to be maps for ship customization. Like how the "p" maps where there for a long time but blank. I think ccp is big on putting markers in place for later planed expansion. That's all I can think they could be for. The are solid which means they are either for enviromental effects or something like that.
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Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
144
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:36:00 -
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I'm in.
Happy to share what I've learned so far as Eve, TriExporter and Cinema 4D. Also looking forward to learning as well. |
Omu Matol
Samurai Salvaging Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:56:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:Omu, that picture is amazing. I only tried to render one model like that and the photo was bad, so I had to make the model look bad to compensate. I still haven't found what the pgs are for, but I am beginning to think they are going to be maps for ship customization. Like how the "p" maps where there for a long time but blank. I think ccp is big on putting markers in place for later planed expansion. That's all I can think they could be for. The are solid which means they are either for enviromental effects or something like that.
Thanks very much. The PGS file has several necessary textures in is. It has a mask, the specular map, and the two channels necessary for reconstructing the normal map. I'll try and put together a video tutorial when I can. I might be a little too busy this next week though.
Here's a tengu I did this afternoon. Having to do all the necessary steps 5 times over is a bit of a pain in the arse, but if you can do it for one piece/ship, then you'll know how to do them all. It's just a simple studio type lighting setup, everyone has seen a hundred times.
Tengu
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:24:00 -
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Anyone amongst us have any teaching experience , even in subjects non related?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:27:00 -
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Is there any tutorials I can look up real quick mostly tool familiarization and how to build something simple like a wooden block train maybe?
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
296
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:34:00 -
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http://freedownloads.daz3d.com/HexagonDocs.zip
Download link to the Hexagon Docs for you fella
/edit only skimmed through the manual last night think theres more in the zip though
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