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Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:26:00 - [1] - Quote Huh, I was warned about people like you, Theobar, you're like the bad guy in a holo I saw a while back, hell you even look like him.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:20:00 - [2] - Quote Firstly, Mr. Cresthill, it's Ms Zandraki, to you. Secondly, I can find swathes of Amarrian history which are so morally bankrupt that I would wager the average criminal or gangbanger has a stronger moral integrity, if only because they are loyal to their organisation and ideology. I'll just point to one well known period of Amarrian history for this argument, it's all I need; The genocide committed against the Starkmanir tribe. This one act of betrayal puts paid to the entire ideology of reclaiming. The people immolated on that planet had by all Amarrian standards not yet been 'saved' and were therefore destined to (according to Amarrian ideology) get on a one way trip to your hell, especially as they revolted against their captors. The Empire failed in it's objectives, it failed (according to it's own ideology) the people it murdered and, frankly, no amount of apologising or 'penance' will make up for that act.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:30:00 - [3] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: Strawman fallacy, Miss Zandraki That's all you have to say about the death of I don't know how many million people? Wow, you're not just a bigot, you're a moronic bigot. Do the cluster a favour and meet your God asap hmkay?
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:23:00 - [4] - Quote Thankyou, Ms. Lagann. It seems as though you're unwilling to engage in an actual discussion or debate on the moral bankruptcy of the Empire, Mr Cresthill. So I'll just leave you to roll in your own foul smelling iniquity. Birdsong.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:54:00 - [5] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: The foul smelling iniquity is your's Miss. As for debate, I would be glad to point out that your historical references equivocating one historical occurrence as interpreted by one particular Anti-amarrian viewpoint with all of Amarrian theology is simple logical nonsense. But, you will never own up to that, would you? The more I confront your sin and depravity, the more desperate you become to shut me up. You react as one under conviction and desperate to escape the judgment that is due. There is only one way to do that; repent and be reclaimed. All of your fruitless arguments will not stay the hand of inevitable judgment that will come upon you. Alright. Answer me this question. In your eyes where were the souls of all those killed in the Starkmanir Genocide sent: Heaven or Hell?
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.02.27 22:48:00 - [6] - Quote Ok, I'll compromise. The Majority, heaven or hell.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.02.28 00:47:00 - [7] - Quote What percentage do you think come on. How many by your reckoning will have gone to your heaven.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:29:00 - [8] - Quote You still haven't answered my question, Mr. Cresthill. On another note, we don't have 'serfs' in the Federation. Everyone is a free and equal citizen.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 14:22:00 - [9] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: Now to the second part: "Everyone in the Federation is a free and equal citizen"? Please tell me you are joking. If you are not then you are deluded. The Federation is rife with human right abuses, prostitution, poverty, illegal slavery, human trafficking, worker abuse. Every social ill is present in the Federation. Tell me you are not that out of touch with reality that you would think that everyone in the Federation is a free and equal citizen. Tell me you are not that naive. The Federation is a large, sprawling and diverse conglomerate of separate states. Of course there are social issues, four of the above 'ills' you have listed are very illegal in the Federation, the punishment if you are convicted of those crimes is pretty severe. However, all of the things you ave listed are not only legal in the Empire they are institutionalised Is it legal to beat a slave because of something they said? yes. Is it legal to force yourself onto a slave? Yes. Is it legal to break apart a family for profit? yes. Are slaves allowed to earn their own money, start businesses and attempt to live their own lives? in general no. And don't even get me started on the subject of TCMCs or Vitoxin?. how are those in any way not human rights abuses or worker abuses? Take the branch from your own eye before you attempt to remove the splinter from mine.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:13:00 - [10] - Quote Yea, I see that. Alright Mr. Cresthill. Do you think the genocide of the Starkmanir was justifiable? Also, as to your attack on Federal socio-economic policies. I am a believer in a doctrine known as the re-distribution of wealth. Whereby the rich are taxed much more heavily than those less well off, and that money is used to help the less well off with things like healthcare, policing and financial aid should they need it. It is hypocritical in the extreme to argue that the Federation is riven with inequality when the Empire is without a doubt the most financially unequal Empire in New Eden, were some people residing in the Empire are not even allowed to earn money. And some privately own entire systems.

Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:22:00 - [11] - Quote No, it is not. Answer the question: would you have given the order that Ardishapur did?
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:29:00 - [12] - Quote Answer the question.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Astera Zandraki wrote: Answer the question. Didn't he do that by quoting your old question and giving an answer regarding the Starkmanir? While I've been critical of him sidestepping at least this time he gave you an answer. That was if he thought they'd gone to heaven or hell. I'm asking now if he himself would have given the order to start the bombardment. Would you have given the order Mr. Cresthill? Ardishapur, not God gave that order.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:44:00 - [14] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: OK, let see if I have this right. You want me to answer the question of what percentage of people killed in any given incident go to heaven and what percent go to hell, right? You want me, even though I do not know the individuals involved to say how many went here or there, right? Sorry, but that is an idiotic question. No, you answered that, poorly albeit. I'm now asking if you would have given the order to start the bombardment like Ardishapur did.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:49:00 - [15] - Quote Point. So you would disagree with House Ardishapur on this matter then?
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:51:00 - [16] - Quote Another one then. Vitoxin and TCMCs Where do you stand on them?
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:01:00 - [17] - Quote A trans-crainial microcontroller. It's an implant used in the Empire and other places to control people. And Yes, I have plenty of questions. Has a slave ever tried to run from your estates, and if one did and was cuaght, what would you do?
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:22:00 - [18] - Quote Alright, I'd like to see your estates if you'll let me.
Astera Zandraki Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:51:00 - [19] - Quote Yea, I'm not the type that can just sit down and meditate or anything like that. How about a whistle-stop tour? Meet some of your prisoners?
Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 2	Posted - 2012.03.01 10:32:00 - [20] - Quote I am going to visit Mr. Cresthill's estates to see the extent of the human rights abuses present.

Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 5	Posted - 2012.03.05 17:50:00 - [21] - Quote heh, nice one
Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 6	Posted - 2012.03.06 11:29:00 - [22] - Quote Then we shall fly in the shade?
Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 6	Posted - 2012.03.06 13:42:00 - [23] - Quote What makes you think that's not the Empire's motivation?
Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 6	Posted - 2012.03.06 18:34:00 - [24] - Quote I'm not sure the 'I'm a basterd, but at least I admit it' argument has much gravitas here or on any other public forum. Mr Cresthill may be utterly misguided but I have no doubt that he absolutely believes he is doing the right thing. You
Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 9	Posted - 2012.03.09 02:17:00 - [25] - Quote The Imperial government developed, legalised and autherised the poison to be used. Yet they are still not at fault?
Astera Zandraki Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative Federal Consensus Outreach 9	Posted - 2012.03.09 02:56:00 - [26] - Quote Theobar Cresthill wrote: Developed?: Vitoxin was a joint development of the Caldari State and the Jovians Legalized?: The law is silent regarding vitoxin, but the Hamrites have always lobbied for laws against its use. Authorized?: Allowed and authorized are not the same. For example, the Gallente Federation allows the sale of slaves and the taxation of those sales by SCC. Does that mean that the Gallente Federation Authorizes the sale of slaves within the Federation? You're either lyng or wrong. Vitoxin was developed in the Empire as a method of slave control in situations were normal methods didn't work, such as ships in the Imperial Navy. It is a virus, that one can never be cured from through conventional means, it can only be treated with vitoc, a drug that the Empire developed to induce a euphoric high in those who've taken it. The Insorum that the Elder fleet dropped cured the Vitoxin addiction completely, however, we don't know how to replicate it. As to the Gallente Federation allowing the sale of slaves, well, that is a sticky situation, as CONCORD regulates what capsuleers may and may not buy, the Empires have no influence in this regard. Due to the 'cultural significance' of slavery in the Empire, they forced the other three Empire's hands by threatening withdrawal if slavery was allowed. It is the fault of the Empire that this injustice can happen, do try to take them through a gate though.
Astera Zandraki Teraa Matar 9	Posted - 2012.03.13 09:30:00 - [27] - Quote Wouldn't that make them heathens, not heretics?

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