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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.25 13:43:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote: The so-called free nations are under a false assuption that liberty is obtained by freeing the body to self-will. Problem is, the mind and spirit become imprisoned in depravity, violence, hedonism, and self-destruction. Amarr "slavery" as you call it, "holds" the body of the wayward in subjection while liberating the spirit, mind, soul from bondage into the freedom of God. Eventually, when the slave is set free, that whole person is free, not just a free body in a depraved, imprisoned mind and spirit. The true holder is the real instrument of emancipation.
You are your own god Mr Cresthill, or do you feel safer, cradled and coerced by the idea that there is a supreme being out there that can look after you, that can justify your actions when really all you do is the will of puppet just like you a puppet of the Theology Council.
You fear being in control, the very idea of making a choice or decision based on free will terrifies you so you rely on holy writ and scripture, an instruction manual to a boring and ignorant life of fear. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
447
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Posted - 2012.02.25 15:17:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote:Perhaps you should stop projecting your own twisted, godless, perverted mind on others and concentrate on the need for your own empty soul to be reclaimed, Mr. Marellus.
The fact you understood where I was coming from proves my point.
Interesting that you say I need reclaiming, that suggests I was already owned once and require re-owning once more. I was born free and live free and one day I'll most likely die free.
Quote:The so-called free nations are under a false assuption that liberty is obtained by freeing the body to self-will. Problem is, the mind and spirit become imprisoned in depravity, violence, hedonism, and self-destruction. Amarr "slavery" as you call it, "holds" the body of the wayward in subjection while liberating the spirit, mind, soul from bondage into the freedom of God.
So what you're saying is it's not slavery, you're just holding people against their will and subjecting them to various methods of discipline and torture until they are programmed to think as you do. You see this I'd accept as something other than slavery if you didn't spend the time they were going through "education" serving you as you see fit. You see that part? Yeah that's slavery, and there's no nice way of dressing it up with words to suggest it's anything else.
Quote:Eventually, when the slave is set free, that whole person is free, not just a free body in a depraved, imprisoned mind and spirit. The true holder is the real instrument of emancipation.
Except they're programmed to think along another person's set of ideals and repeat an endless cycle. You're only one step below Kuvakei on the madness level in that you have to actually break your subjects instead of using implants to simply erase and program. That's not a good thing though.
Quote:Don't pat yourselves on the back and praise yourselves for how advanced you are. You are spiritually primitive.
Using religious belief as an excuse to justify barbarism is spiritually primitive Captain, you see if there really is a God you're claiming to do all this in their name without so much as actual acknowledgement. Pretty sure that's blasphemy, and no some old writings from a few men who had a bit of clout and opinion to convince their local masses to follow them is not proof of justification.
On the other side, if there's a God who can take their creations and gladly have them subjected to slavery to their equal in kind, then they're not my God and I wouldn't follow him even if they came down and demanded it to my face.
Quote:Yes, you need to be reclaimed.
Try it, I'll let you know now the outcome. You'll reclaim exactly one bullet for every attempt, now here's the beauty of free will. I'll let you dictate which part of your body gets hit each time.
Oh and before you use the above to suggest violent actions as barbarism and proof of a lack of spirituality and blah blah blah.. I'm not the one jingling dog tags of men and women he's gunned down.
Enjoy your gaming.
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Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:54:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote: ...if there really is a God...
This is why you need to be reclaimed, son.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
447
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:38:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote: ...if there really is a God...
This is why you need to be reclaimed, son.
Sorry Dad. Pass me the weird smelling stuff and I'll join you in the make believe world. Enjoy your gaming.
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
55
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Posted - 2012.02.25 23:52:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote:Today I walked into ChoonkaGÇÖs Diner with 40 Republic insignia dog tags jingling around my belt, proud of the work I am doing in faithfulness to my God and Empress. There I sat with faithful brothers as we ate and drank and celebrated the righteousness of our cause and the assurance of just motives that we carry into every battle, conflict, and mission.
I think the biggest problem with the Empire is that the armed populace is using vague interpretations of ancient text as an excuse to go and kill people. |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:22:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: I think the biggest problem with the Empire is that the armed populace is using vague interpretations of ancient text as an excuse to go and kill people. ...says the guy who belongs to a Corp called "Kings of Kill."
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
609
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:24:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Theobar Cresthill wrote:Today I walked into ChoonkaGÇÖs Diner with 40 Republic insignia dog tags jingling around my belt, proud of the work I am doing in faithfulness to my God and Empress. There I sat with faithful brothers as we ate and drank and celebrated the righteousness of our cause and the assurance of just motives that we carry into every battle, conflict, and mission.
I think the biggest problem with the Empire is that the armed populace is using vague interpretations of ancient text as an excuse to go and kill people.
Yea, who needs an excuse for that. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
618
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:28:00 -
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Vallek Arkonnis wrote: What needs preemptive offense is your unbridled hedonism and material aid to terrorists. Fix the moral bankruptcy in your own Federation before casting stones at the Empire.
Moral bankruptcy?
That's a laugh. You use poison to ensure loyalty. You invade and enslave anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You have no claim on the moral high ground, Arkonnis. ((Please note:-áAt times, my characters-ámay be a-holes, but-áI am most certainly not.-áWhat they say IC has no bearing on my OOC opinions or behaviors, and I apologize in advance if you are offended OOC by anything I might say or do-áIC.)) |
Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.27 11:26:00 -
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Huh, I was warned about people like you, Theobar, you're like the bad guy in a holo I saw a while back, hell you even look like him. |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:18:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Huh, I was warned about people like you, Theobar, you're like the bad guy in a holo I saw a while back, hell you even look like him.
One of the hallmark dividing lines between Amarr culture and the devolving civilization of Gallente is illustrated by the quote above. Amarr derives value from Scripture, obedience to God, serving humanity, seeking to redeem all, self-denial and unselfishness.
Gallentean culture, if you can call it culture, derives its values from holo-vids. Its self-indulgence, hedonism, careless views of personal liberty, godlessness, etc., are the characteristics of an entertainment based society. Gallente will eventually rot at its own roots from its own moral decay.
Astera forms her opinions of good and bad from watching holo-vids. Hmm...
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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
93
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:03:00 -
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The Loyalist Amarr derive their culture from fear, fear bound in holy writ, fear of anything different, anything which questions them even in the slightest, this is clearly evident in the lunatic ramblings on Mr Cresthill across the IGS.
The Amarr Empire is a backward culture that has failed to move with history and in doing so will be condemed to fire and ash untill nothing remains. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:37:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:The Loyalist Amarr derive their culture from fear, fear bound in holy writ, fear of anything different, anything which questions them even in the slightest, this is clearly evident in the lunatic ramblings on Mr Cresthill across the IGS.
The Amarr Empire is a backward culture that has failed to move with history and in doing so will be condemed to fire and ash untill nothing remains.
Wow, do I hear the sounds of hypocrisy and irony ringing from the bloody throat of Omir's disciple? The culture of Amarr is based not on fear but on love; love for God and love for all His wayward ones. It is you who ramble on in your blood crazed depravity Khazarn. When you are done gargling the blood of the innocent, come to your right mind and return to God. To Hold the Wayward Children for God and Empire |
Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
93
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:44:00 -
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No Mr Cresthill you hear the ever encroaching sound of your empires demise as Omir's chosen bleed it slowly from the outside and rail at its foundations from within. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:47:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:No Mr Cresthill you hear the ever encroaching sound of your empires demise as Omir's chosen bleed it slowly from the outside and rail at its foundations from within.
Hmm, do I hear the bloody voice of a deranged, egotistical, self-deified megalomaniac? Yep. To Hold the Wayward Children for God and Empire |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
67
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:31:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote:Astera forms her opinions of good and bad from watching holo-vids. Hmm... And you form misinformed and wholly inaccurate opinions of others based on posts intended to be jokes.
Theobar Cresthill wrote:One of the hallmark dividing lines between Amarr culture and the devolving civilization of Gallente is illustrated by the quote above. Amarr derives value from Scripture, obedience to God, serving humanity, seeking to redeem all, self-denial and unselfishness. The ability to crack a joke (and presumably take one) being a "hallmark dividing line" between Amarrian culture and others does explain quite a lot.
Theobar Cresthill wrote:Gallentean culture, if you can call it culture, derives its values from holo-vids. Its self-indulgence, hedonism, careless views of personal liberty, godlessness, etc., are the characteristics of an entertainment based society. Gallente will eventually rot at its own roots from its own moral decay. Just because the entertainment industry is one of the Federation's most visible facets does not make it the source of values for those who were raised or live there.
You most certainly can call it culture, and no, it does not derive its values from holovids. It is the other way around: the holos are derived from the values; they present those values in many forms that include, mockeries and parodies, but also affirmations of those values.
It depends on what you watch, and who created the holo in question. Given your complete ignorance about Federation culture, I think it's safe to assume that you're only watching the holos you're not supposed to take too seriously. Or, more likely, you've not actually tried looking at any of this yourself, and are talking out of your ass.
And before you think of accusing me of hypocrisy, keep in mind I've lived in the Empire - or rather, more specifically, the Kingdom - for over a year now. I do have a rather solid grasp on how things work. |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:28:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:And before you think of accusing me of hypocrisy, . Morwen Lagann is an hypocrite.
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Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
241
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:30:00 -
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Blanket, broad caricatures, everywhere.
It sounds so irrational.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
70
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:35:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:And before you think of accusing me of hypocrisy, . Morwen Lagann is an hypocrite.
Wow, you tried to make a joke, albeit one that wasn't particularly funny and more childish than anything else.
I guess Amarrian and Federation culture aren't that different at all.
Or maybe you're just a deviant and a heretic for straying from the path of Humorlessness that the Scriptures try to enforce so rigidly. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:55:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:That you take pride in killing betrays your lack of righteousness.
Well said.
But, then again, underneath the definition of hypocrite in the dictionary is an Amarrian. |
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
147
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:10:00 -
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This is an amusing read. I wonder if it has occurred to any of you that Mr. Cresthill just likes to argue and get under your skin and that you are all providing all the attention and fodder he wants. Just a thought. |
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Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:20:00 -
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Firstly, Mr. Cresthill, it's Ms Zandraki, to you.
Secondly, I can find swathes of Amarrian history which are so morally bankrupt that I would wager the average criminal or gangbanger has a stronger moral integrity, if only because they are loyal to their organisation and ideology.
I'll just point to one well known period of Amarrian history for this argument, it's all I need; The genocide committed against the Starkmanir tribe.
This one act of betrayal puts paid to the entire ideology of reclaiming. The people immolated on that planet had by all Amarrian standards not yet been 'saved' and were therefore destined to (according to Amarrian ideology) get on a one way trip to your hell, especially as they revolted against their captors. The Empire failed in it's objectives, it failed (according to it's own ideology) the people it murdered and, frankly, no amount of apologising or 'penance' will make up for that act.
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Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:27:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:This one act of betrayal puts paid to the entire ideology of reclaiming.
Strawman fallacy, Miss Zandraki
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Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:30:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote: Strawman fallacy, Miss Zandraki
That's all you have to say about the death of I don't know how many million people? Wow, you're not just a bigot, you're a moronic bigot. Do the cluster a favour and meet your God asap hmkay?
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Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:44:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote: you're a moronic bigot.
Angry, ironic, Strawman Fallacy, Miss Zandraki
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
71
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:24:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote: Because I don't have an answer to your point, I'm going to just act like a child and accuse you of various logical fallacies instead of trying to refute your argument or try to help you understand my point better, Miss Zandraki
Fixed that for you, and clarified for the rest of us. |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:25:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Theobar Cresthill wrote: Because I don't have an answer to your point, I'm going to just act like a child and accuse you of various logical fallacies instead of trying to refute your argument or try to help you understand my point better, Miss Zandraki
Fixed that for you, and clarified for the rest of us.
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Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:29:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote: I am finally beginning to see the truth in what Mr. Cresthill is saying. I may even consider becoming part of the Cresthill estate so I too may experience true enlightenment.
I am very glad to hear that Miss Lagann To Hold the Wayward Children for God and Empire |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
10
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:44:00 -
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Theobar Cresthill wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote: I am finally beginning to see the truth in what Mr. Cresthill is saying. I may even consider becoming part of the Cresthill estate so I too may experience true enlightenment. I am very glad to hear that Miss Lagann
I'll thank you not to make advances on Ms Lagann. Isn't coveting that which belongs to someone else a sin? I know she's cute but really, get your own Intaki.
...no, seriously. Getting laid would do you some good and be a relief to the rest of us, it might get you to shut up and let the rest of us have a reasonable debate for a while. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
752
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:46:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:
That's all you have to say about the death of I don't know how many million people? Wow, you're not just a bigot, you're a moronic bigot. Do the cluster a favour and meet your God asap hmkay?
That's hardly the most constructive contribution to the discussion, now is it? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Theobar Cresthill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:56:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:...no, seriously. Getting laid would do you some good and be a relief to the rest of us, it might get you to shut up and let the rest of us have a reasonable debate for a while.
Are you...um...? O nevermind. To Hold the Wayward Children for God and Empire |
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