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Salpad
darkmusse Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Well thought out nerf. Also, buff the looks, I'll hate the lack of coolness factor switching to the Drake.
If I could choose between easier fitting on the Drake, meaning more grid and more CPU, or a cooler look, I'd prefer the cooler look. It's a mean ship, but it doesn't look mean. -- Salpad |
ceyriot
Crimson Rebellion Cold Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Asheru
Originally by: arbalesttom The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof).
You're a bastard, Tom.
He's also the only reason that vid has 7.5 million views. I mean...honestly....
wait im doubleposting in a flamebait thread!
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Sharkk
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sharkk on 25/03/2008 12:19:30
Originally by: Gregoriuses Are u serious???
Drake need nerf not boost! Try to not post in future treats like this. Drakes are exelant tankers (better than BS) and lost pirates using drakes in pvp tbh. Get your skills up and stop crying.
Win
Nerf the Drake my drake is so uber......my gang mates always send me thru the gate first and then have a cup of tea while i get agressed by all the reds
edit for those of you frothing at the mouth with rabid flamege perhaps a little less tank and a little more gank might be a good change for teh drake ...eh?????
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Admiral Price
Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:20:00 -
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Personally I think the Drake is good enough as is....it's a good tank ship but the DPS makes me want to cry so it all evens out
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AKULA UrQuan
STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:25:00 -
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Quote: Caldari ships are bad at PVP
Several Crows, Raptors, Feroxes, Blackbirds, Rokhs, Caracals, Buzzards and Scorpians I own took great offence to that line.
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy Rabbit Killers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:36:00 -
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I just lost my drake to a torp raven, pulse geddon, megatron and tempest. I should be able to tank on this withough using cap. common ccp. stop nerfing my ship
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Msobe
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:37:00 -
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Only Amarr are allowed to say their ships suck, and ask for boosts.
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.25 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Asheru
Originally by: arbalesttom The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof).
You're a bastard, Tom.
Thanks, and yes you could have knew it ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^ |
Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.03.25 14:26:00 -
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So that t2/rigged drake we ran into the other night, there were 6 of us, and him in his drake. Not only did we not dent his shields 20%, he also messed us up pretty good.
Point is you can easily put 30000 shield hitpoints on that ship, and you have no room to whine. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit. |
Isotaan Ephraim
KAOS. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.25 14:53:00 -
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The drake needs to have its model changed. I humbly propose that Drakes should look like this. |
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iNsAn3
Team Rocket.
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Posted - 2008.03.25 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.25 14:58:00 -
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Yeah, Drakes like, totally suck. They tank, and that's it. They can't do anything useful. OK, so they're just about able to survive a level 4, but really, PvE balance shouldn't have an effect on PvP balance.
It's Caldari, and therefore sucks at PvP, especially solo PvP.
Shield recharge would be nice, but that might make it overpowered. therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to give it a RoF bonus instead of a kinetic damage bonus, which is clearly not particularly 'immersive' in a roleplay sense.
This post brought to you by the letter T, and the world 'Roll'.
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DaJokr
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:16:00 -
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Drakes fine for what its designed for-gangs and PvE. You wanna solo PvP, train another race because caldari is not for you. I'd be suprised if there were any players who are caldari who HAVEN'T cross trained into one of the other races yet.
Caldari Gang + PvP = Win Caldari Solo + PvP = Epic Fail
Nuff said.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: DaJokr Drakes fine for what its designed for-gangs and PvE. You wanna solo PvP, train another race because caldari is not for you. I'd be suprised if there were any players who are caldari who HAVEN'T cross trained into one of the other races yet.
Caldari Gang + PvP = Win Caldari Solo + PvP = Epic Fail
Nuff said.
Oh yeah, this guy knows his stuff. He knows that it's absolutely impossible to dedicate three slots to tackle on a BC that has 6 midslots and a shield hardening bonus.
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Drek Grapper
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Eardianm
What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo.
I'd fix the looks, personally. Tier 2 BCs are supposed to be good-looking, Drake fails in that role.
Lol Drake reminds me of an oyster shell. I wonder if it has a secret fitting slot for Tobasco Sauce!! --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this |
Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 15:45:41 Come on guys, stop hating on the Drake it doesn't need a nerf, it needs a bit boost I mean seriously, how can you possibly say that the Drake is any good at all anything remotely resembling a faint whiff of PVP I mean, what's it going to do, its just going to die horribly to even a frigate because its tank got nerfed so bad and then its just going to tickle a frig with frigate damage but it cant even do that because its just got this horrible explosion velocity and explosion radius and delayed damage that the frig wont even take damage because it will have either speed tanked the missiles because everyone speed tanks everything I mean nano titans can speed tank drakes and even if it did actually not speed tank some ship lol i mean the drake is the only ship in all of eve that cant uber speed tank i mean speed tanks are so overpowered but only to the drake because of crappy missiles and delayed damage i mean the missiles cant even catch up to even an afterburning domi speed mods should totally be removed from the game thats so stupid the drake is like never going to be able to be good at pvp because missiles are so slow that even a titan is dead by the time your missiles get there come on CCP how are we supposed to pvp like this we need a really huge boost please.
Caldari ships suck at PVP Missile ships suck at PVP Tanks are useless in PVP Drake is a Caldari ship + Drake is a Missile ship + Tanks are useless in PVP => Drake sucks at PVP, so boost both its tank and its gank.
New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale.
All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please.
:)
-Liang
BUAWHWAHWHAWHAWHWHAWHAWHAWHAWHWHAWHAWHAWH-hwa-whahh ** breathless ** ahhhhhhh!!!!!! ** deep breath ** buahwahaha...hwa! ....... ....... hmmmm.. Say what? Not funny idea.
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Kamen
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:52:00 -
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Drake is the BC I would always prefer in my gangs over any other race's BCs. It's got better survivability (shoots longer) and better damage at 20km than any other BC (that doesn't sacrifice too much to achieve that range).
Maybe you also forgot to note that it's got better DPS and tank than a Cerberus, and almost better DPS than NH. Compare that and you figure that it either needs a nerf or other ships need a boost. ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal. Kontakt Sode/Me West |
Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:58:00 -
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Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level
I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses?
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level
I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses?
Yes, of course and the shield recharge needs to be given back and an 8th missile slot. =)
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.25 16:03:00 -
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Fake trolls are the worst trolls.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.25 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Gypsio III
Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level
I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses?
Yes, of course and the shield recharge needs to be given back and an 8th missile slot. =) -Liang
Good. I was concerned that you might not have fully grasped the true extent of the Drake's problems. But I see that you are an expert in this field.
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Derek Sigres
Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.25 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Out of historical interest: Has the Drake been changed? If yes, what specifically was changed, in terms of numbers?
Yes, the Drake changed. In the beginning the Drake had a base shield recharge time of 1000 seconds. It was pretty common to see drakes with a passive recharge time of 60 seconds or so if not less. The Drake tank, which remains legendary today was all but unbreakable then. As it stands you can make a passive drake that can permenantly tank a gank fitted close range battleship. Back then you could make one that could tank anything short of smiting by god himself.
And yes, I think the Drake needs a boost. Its the best mission running battlecruiser out there and it can be fitted for a nasty bite in PvP, BUT I want gankship level damage along with a near impenetrable tank. I also want the drake to be free for me. . . And is it too much to ask for an invulnerability field that actually imparts invulnerability?
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Lego Maniac
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.25 16:23:00 -
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bored much liang?
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lego Maniac bored much liang?
No kidding, all he does is ***** lately. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit. |
Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Originally by: Lego Maniac bored much liang?
No kidding, all he does is ***** lately.
Nah, all I do lately is try to debunk pathetic Amarrian whiners that try to get everyone else in the game nerfed (forum politicking). There's a difference. :)
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Youve been smokin lately Liang?
Drake:
7x HML MWD, WEB, SCRAM, LSE, Invul, Invul DCII, BCS, BCS, BCS
513 DPS 63,000 EHP
unrigged
How is this a bad BC compared to the other ones? This thread fails. Sorry.
Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof.
Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about.
Thank you for finally "getting" it.
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Lyria Skydancer
Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof.
Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about.
Thank you for finally "getting" it.
-Liang
What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II |
NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof.
Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about.
Thank you for finally "getting" it.
-Liang
Oh I hate you Liang. You make my life oh so much harder. You've caused a whole new wave, dammit!
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again?
Yes, its because you and a couple of other whiners keep posting and bumping nerf threads (the Falcon threads are among them) - and you made a statement that said people would just let the thread fizzle out after 4-5 posts if it weren't true.
Guess what. You're wrong.
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
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