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Ilvan
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:45:00 -
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****, if you type it in bold it must be true!
Let me try:
Sephra Star is DELUSIONAL and/or a TROLL.
Wow, it really works!
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:46:00 -
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Uh-huh. Mighty high oxygen level during WW2 there.
Look, it isn't happening to anyone. Mostly because that entire post has no conceivable basis in financial motivation, to say nothing of the numerous factual errors.
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Rialtor
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ilvan
Originally by: Rialtor What country do you guys live in? We already have a distinction between resident and citizen. You know greencards grant you legal residency. When you have a greencard you can apply for citizenship.
The whole idea that if you're born in a country that you're some kind of citizen is silly imo. Like I said, the requirement to be a citizen should at least be as hard as getting a license.
And citizens vote, that's the distinction.
I live in Canada.
So what you're saying is people should be paying taxes, following regulations... but not be allowed to vote?
Why not just turn the country into an oligarchy and be done with it?
Yes, not everyone in America is allowed to vote, only citizens. Legal Residents pay taxes and are not allowed to vote, they must go further in the process to become citizens to vote.
That's the system now, I'm not changing anything other than ending birthright citizenship cause I find it counter-productive. Why must immigrants pass a test, and someone just be born here given the right to vote?
I feel you should be given a course on the system of government before you are allowed to vote.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 25/03/2008 21:52:41 Plankton in the Oceans is dying off in vast quantities and has been for some time.
Plankton is estimated to be responsable for nearly 50 percent of our oxygen supply.
Reducing the population by 5 billion people according to the experts will solve all the worlds problems.
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Ilvan
Post with your Brain
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
Yes, not everyone in America is allowed to vote, only citizens. Legal Residents pay taxes and are not allowed to vote, they must go further in the process to become citizens to vote.
That's the system now, I'm not changing anything other than ending birthright citizenship cause I find it counter-productive. Why must immigrants pass a test, and someone just be born here given the right to vote?
I feel you should be given a course on the system of government before you are allowed to vote.
Bah. Well, it would certainly help with the uninformed voter problem, but the whole concept just... rubs me the wrong way.
If these civic courses are mandatory and unavoidable... then yeah, I could possibly agree to it.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 25/03/2008 21:55:54
Originally by: Cmdr Sy Uh-huh. Mighty high oxygen level during WW2 there.
Look, it isn't happening to anyone. Mostly because that entire post has no conceivable basis in financial motivation, to say nothing of the numerous factual errors.
The financial motivation is far outweiged by insuring you have a slot in one of the underground bases when the shiiit hits the fan during what should be and has been referred to in the past as THE FINAL SOLUTION
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KhieIly
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor Yes, not everyone in America is allowed to vote, only citizens. Legal Residents pay taxes and are not allowed to vote, they must go further in the process to become citizens to vote.
That's the system now, I'm not changing anything other than ending birthright citizenship cause I find it counter-productive. Why must immigrants pass a test, and someone just be born here given the right to vote?
I feel you should be given a course on the system of government before you are allowed to vote.
So instead of amnesty give them greencards and work towards citizenship. There is a test which was made more difficult this year for citizenship.
I agree make them "citizens of the world" they can choose a country at 21.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star The financial motivation is far outweiged by insuring you have a slot in one of the underground bases when the shiiit hits the fan during what should be and has been referred to in the past as THE FINAL SOLUTION
Do you have your slot?
EVE CCG Trinity Booster
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:00:00 -
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THE FINAL SOLUTION. It is interesting that the same families responsable for financing this are still in control of the world.
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:24:00 -
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I live in the UK - we have free Healthcare.
we pay for nothing \o/
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
I agree with those sentiments. But the health care system in the UK, and everywhere else no matter what system it is - is on the ropes. The government will now be deciding if you deserve healthcare based on your living lifestyle - which will not be limited to smoking in the future. And while you are denied services, you will still be paying for it. If I smoked, my insurance rate would be bumped up a bit, but not denied. Watch as lifestyles, and life mistakes (like frequent speeding tickets) are made to demonize people to deny them medical services or give them extra fees as the government rations healthcare to save it.
Quite ironic that is post is followed by this signature:
The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins.
;)
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Rialtor
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK I live in the UK - we have free Healthcare.
we pay for nothing \o/
You folks need to get some dental with that healthcare .
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:37:00 -
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The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.25 23:20:00 -
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OK, you keep us safe from the hobgoblins, but please do it in secret from now on. You are only attracting Their attention, and spamming up the forum.
EVE CCG Trinity Booster
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 25/03/2008 23:36:01 The Georgia Guidestones - A Warning.
Note the ancient languages of all the demon worshipping societies of antiquity are clearly present.
Understand if you're not with them you and billions of us are marked for death.
Zell Miller former Governor of Georgia is believed to be behind its erection.
The Pyramid Quarry, very near the Guidestones, has midnight ceremonies that have been witnessed. They are very similar in nature to the ones held in the "Cremation of Care" ceremony at Bohemian Grove.
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Rialtor
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.03.25 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 25/03/2008 23:36:01 The Georgia Guidestones - A Warning.
Note the ancient languages of all the demon worshipping societies of antiquity are clearly present.
Understand if you're not with them you and billions of us are marked for death.
Zell Miller former Governor of Georgia is believed to be behind its erection.
The Pyramid Quarry, very near the Guidestones, has midnight ceremonies that have been witnessed. They are very similar in nature to the ones held in the "Cremation of Care" ceremony at Bohemian Grove.
Please tell me you're just doing this for a laugh :).
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.25 23:50:00 -
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Is a conspiracy still a conspiracy if it's on Google Video and YouTube?
EVE CCG Trinity Booster
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
Please tell me you're just doing this for a laugh :).
It is carved in stone to reduce the population to 500 million.
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Ilvan
Post with your Brain
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Posted - 2008.03.25 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Note the ancient languages of all the demon worshipping societies of antiquity are clearly present.
Oh, **** you. Seriously.
"Demon worshipping society" = anything that didn't follow an Abrahamic religion, amirite?
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:15:00 -
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The only thing worth considering, or discusing on the issue is GLOBAL GENOCIDE.
I am not going to argue about the sanity, or rationality of the cultists involved. They are what they are and have been for a very long time.
What is important to them is our extermination to what they have decided is a manageable size.
The Cultists we are talking about are the same multi-generational families who financed Adolph.
They own the World Government.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star It is carved in stone to reduce the population to 500 million.
See, that's the problem I am having with all this. You decide to destroy the planet, and you carve your plans into stone tablets for people to find? It seems a bit sloppy.
EVE CCG Trinity Booster
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 26/03/2008 00:30:08 ôIf you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.ö
ôThe most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and overö
ôThink of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.ö
-Joseph Goebbels
BUSH: Catapult The Propaganda
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pwnedgato
The Black Dawn Gang Mashen T'plak
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:33:00 -
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Forums... need ignore function... badly...
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fenderson
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale I want to make here a petition to help the poor americans that are dying every day because they have no medical insurance, cause there is no public (communist) medical system in USA.
/signed
I respect the fact that you came out and said it instead of danced around the question...
However universal healthcare doesnt work, canada has it and there are big waiting periods for everybody and the perfermance of the doctors are less because they get paid less.
Also, communism doesnt work because if everybody is paid the same then there is no reason to try harder then you currently are so therefore production of what you make goes down...communism only works in smallscale.
roflmao.... nobody wants communism. anyone who is trying to interject communism into this discussion has a very poor understanding of this issue and the proposed solutions.
also what you said about canada is about 90% wrong. wait times are only higher for non-essential or non-emergency procedures. and you ignore the fact that altho the average wait time for a transplant may be higher, at least everyone can get a transplant and not just the ones that can afford healthcare and qualify for it.
Read the post im quoting,he/she asked for a communistic style of healthcare.
As for canada's waiting period, there have been accounts of people going to america from canada because the waiting period for them would be such that they would be dead before they got the medical care and although in america we must pay for procedures we get most of them when we check in.
And if somebody has an ailment that is fatal they can just check into the emergency room and pay after the prodecure, they wont be rejected because they cannot pay for it.
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SoftRevolution
Complicity.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Cmdr Sy
People should meet the system halfway. Smoking 20 a day and then complaining the waiting list for lung operations is too long is pretty arrogant, but it does happen. It is not unreasonable to discourage it.
I agree with those sentiments. But the health care system in the UK, and everywhere else no matter what system it is - is on the ropes. The government will now be deciding if you deserve healthcare based on your living lifestyle - which will not be limited to smoking in the future. And while you are denied services, you will still be paying for it. If I smoked, my insurance rate would be bumped up a bit, but not denied. Watch as lifestyles, and life mistakes (like frequent speeding tickets) are made to demonize people to deny them medical services or give them extra fees as the government rations healthcare to save it.
Yeah well that's New Labour for you.
"The Third Way" is basically splitting the difference between "It's all your fault" and "I blame society". Therefore anything that's wrong with you is probably half your fault.
Health promotion (nagging people to be healthier) is popular everywhere but especially with the NHS because it's regarded as a way to make the population as a whole healthier on the cheap. This is the job of the NHS. Not to make the individual "customer" happier but to go for the most efficient way of making everyone healthier.
Amusingly evidence suggests that health promotion doesn't actually work and that the health of the poorest people in society is improved more by increasing their income than improving their bad habits but that's a whole other can of worms policy wise.
So what we're left with is the chronically underfunded NHS, the simple reality that "rationing" of one sort or another is always going to be a reality of the NHS (people expect looking after but they also expect to pay low-ish taxes - despite the QQing Britains taxes aren't especially high Europewide), more people coming into Britain and the idea/excuse that if people are unhealthy it's at least partly their fault.
The system could work if there were less people, if less money was ****ed away on stuff that didn't work, if more money was put into the NHS and/or if the NHS could provide the services that people are now going private for so people weren't buying out of the NHS at a rate of knots. I'm just not sure how any of that would work in Britain in 2008. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Keorythe
Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: KhieIly So instead of amnesty give them greencards and work towards citizenship. There is a test which was made more difficult this year for citizenship.
Contrary to popular belief a majority of those illegals living here DONT WANT TO BECOME CITIZENS. For many the richer nations are seen as "cash cows" for the illegals. Living in the US on their wages isn't all that great while the money being set home can set their families up for a long time. Many eventually immigrate back to their native countries if they save up enough cash or have a legal child thats able to help support them in old age. Citizenship only comes to mind when a border patrol or ICE agent shows up. Cops aren't even allowed to contact Immigration services when illegal status is confirmed in many states. Sit down with an illegal whether in the US or the UK and they'll tell you of the huge number of loopholes there are to circumvent any tax code or hiring procedures. It will blow your mind.
Back to the OP. Universal healthcare isn't working out as well as it used to be. In fact as some of the other posters have mentioned just about every UHC system is starting a ration system. Services are getting more complex and more expensive while populations are growing or in the case of baby boomers..aging. On top of that the types of problems being treated has expanded from life threatening and basic prevention to everything including pain treatment in the US. Surprisingly when patients discuss their "rights" these costs have been added to their demands.
Due to heavy government regulation there is no real competition to bring down pricing. No one is debating which hospital would be better for them or which company is offering a better and cheaper procedure for their problem. Due to the nature of the regulation the amount of competition between insurance agencies is also diminished. Lets not even bother to include the general laziness that the average American exhibits when it comes down to finding their own services nor the pawning off of responsibility to "someone else" when it comes down to their own general welfare.
Maybe if my fellow Americans would actually give a damn about themselves more instead demanding someone else take that responsibility things might be a bit different.
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Keorythe
Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star It is happening to billions of us including you and we are living through what is nothing less than a stealth program for GLOBAL GENOCIDE
OH NOES!!
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.26 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Do you have your slot?
The question for YOU is do you have yours.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.26 02:44:00 -
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If the NWO (which doesn't exist) wants to reduce the population by 5 billion people, I vote that Sephra's the 1st to go. --------------------------------------
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.26 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 26/03/2008 03:07:10
Originally by: Havok Dryke If the NWO (which doesn't exist) wants to reduce the population by 5 billion people.
Where did you have your lobotomy done?
They did a darn good job.
When the Berlin Wall came down that was when Russia finally capitualted to join the NWO which was officially announced to the world by G.H.W. Bush Sr. on September 11, 1991.
If you don't wake up you never will.
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