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AndrewRyan
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:50:00 -
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Just when you thought the dangerous and unhealthy obsession with guns in the US couldn't get any worse this happens. A US airways pilot allowed his weapon to be negligently discharged during a flight, fortunately for the crew and passengers the safety of the flight was not compromised and no injuries where inflicted by the stray bullet.
So an apparently "certified" pilot was careless enough to allow the weapon to be discharged and it brings in to question the whole stupid idea of allowing civilian airline pilots to carry weapons, this incident could have very easily resulted in a massive tragedy and it seems pure chance that it didn't. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:50:00 -
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Just when you thought the dangerous and unhealthy obsession with guns in the US couldn't get any worse this happens. A US airways pilot allowed his weapon to be negligently discharged during a flight, fortunately for the crew and passengers the safety of the flight was not compromised and no injuries where inflicted by the stray bullet.
So an apparently "certified" pilot was careless enough to allow the weapon to be discharged and it brings in to question the whole stupid idea of allowing civilian airline pilots to carry weapons, this incident could have very easily resulted in a massive tragedy and it seems pure chance that it didn't. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: AndrewRyan on 26/03/2008 01:15:54
Originally by: Akita T Can you say "reaction out of proportion" ? He was an idiot or it was an accident. "Certified pilot" doesn't mean he knows anything else too well... just means he is able to fly the damned plane. Either way, what's the big deal ?
He was "certified" to carry the weapon, and its a big deal exactly because he was either a idiot in charge of a huge mass of fast moving metal at 30,000 feet that allowed a gun to fire in the *****pit or he was negligent enough to allow the accident to happen placing lives at risk.
124 passengers and possibly a large number of people on the ground where placed at risk because of the policy of allowing airline pilots to carry weapons, the stray bullet could also of hit and killed or injured a crew member.
Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 26/03/2008 01:05:15 such a bad troll the title makes it sound so much worse then it is -
wow so his gun went off - didnt harm the plane or anyone.. yawn who cares?
I nearly slipped in the rain today - almost.. but I was ok - next.
It was more luck than skill or judgment that nothing happened this time.
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AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
They may be required to use frangible bullets which disintegrate when they impact a hard surface. Whether it could punch through the airplane skin or break a window I do not know (betting it would shatter a window).
The concept of pilots with guns was a stupid kneejerk reaction post 9/11. There are Air Marshals supposedly on many flights...leave it to them.
It is hard to think of an instance where a pilot having a gun would change things in a hijack situation. Just make it so the doors cannot be kicked in and all is well. Or would people rather the pilot comes storming out of the*****pit guns blazing?
Accidents happen but the pilots are responsible for hundreds of passengers lives. Had that bullet shatter the*****pit window I am willing to bet that would have killed the flight crew outright (at least I cannot imagine surviving a swirling mass of glass laden air moving at 550+ mph).
Such a bullet could easily damage hydraulics, electrical systems and avionics even if its chances of penetrating a fuselage is reduced and any of those systems being damaged like that could result in a fire or loss of critical systems. The*****pit glass is the main danger as its under a huge amount of force and as you say the shattered glass could have killed the crew or even injured them to the point of being unable to control the aircraft.
About the doors isn't it mandatory that airliner have armoured doors designed to resist forced entry anyway? ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: AndrewRyan on 26/03/2008 05:16:33
Originally by: Helen Hunts
The pilot... well, his primary training is in flying a large multi-ton plane safely. Sadly, the simple weapons safety courses available today don't really qualify one as proficient with firearms.
A civilian should never be allowed to carry a weapon under these circumstances without intensive training both in the handling of the weapon and the usage of the weapon, would any of you like to be on a flight with an armed man who does not have sufficient training in charge of your safety? the minimum training he should have should be of the equivelant level to law enforcement hostage rescue because he is more of a danger to the passengers and the crew than to any terrorist because if he cannot even handle the weapon without accidentally firing out how can he be expected to fight off terrorists without killing or wounding the passengers?
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny The worst possible outcome is that someone COULD'VE died....
Oh well that's ok the only consequence was somebody might have died? are you for real? so its ok to put weapons in the hands of people who obviously should not have them as the only risk is innocent people loosing their life.
My synopsis, more proof of American insanity regarding lethal weapons. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: AndrewRyan on 26/03/2008 05:33:37
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny There is a well trained armed person on every aircraft... he's called an Air Marshall. The gun in the*****pit is in case a hijacker is going to get into the*****pit. the*****pit is armored, the round from a small handgun is not going into the passanger compartment from the*****pit.
Thousands of people die every day, if one person is killed by an accident I can hardly consider that a crisis... maybe 6 years in the infantry has made me an indifferent ass .
And in a twist of your sig.... An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject.
The Air Marshall is well trained airline pilots are not, the pilot was a buffoon who should not have been in possession of a firearm and its obvious he was a buffoon for allowing it to be fire, a gun doesn't just go off it needs a particular set of circumstances
-it must be loaded -a round must be chambered -the safety catch needs to be off -the trigger needs a decent amount of pressure
So why was the safety catch off? As for people dieing every day yes it happens that does not mean the public should be placed under unnecessary risk. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:59:00 -
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Explosive decompression where people are sucked through a bullet whole is a myth but damage to the fuselage can cause catastrophic failure of the structure, damage like this is not unrealistic.
There was also an incident where a windshield failed on a passenger flight and the pilot was almost sucked out of the aircraft, only the quick reactions of the crew saved his life as they managed to grab his ankles and hold on until the aircraft made an emergency landing. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 23:45:00 -
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Its flipping obvious he was negligent by allowing the gun to fire, if you really used guns all your life you would have a certain amount of respect and discipline.
If you don't have that its just more proof of gun madness in the US, just as every post saying "its only a gun wtf?" or "all that could happen is someone got killed I mean really whats the fuss about?"
So thank you for proving my point. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Human hunters fill a necessary role in the ecosystem. Wolves in much of the US have been hunted to near extinction because they pose a very real threat to farm cattle. But that also means there's not enough wolves around to eat the deer. Without a predator, deer won't balance their own population against available food sources. You'll see a steady rise is deer numbers for a few decades until almost all the vegetation is gone, followed by a population crash that kills 90% of the deer within a year. This is a well-established problem for herbivore species.
Fortunately, most of the hunters who had previously hunted wolves (or more likely, their great-grandchildren) are just as happy hunting deer instead. As long as the hunting is within well-controlled limits, the population can be kept within an acceptable range.
Thus, with a simple understanding of ecology, it's shown that there is no contradiction between hunting and loving nature.
I'm not going to get into the hunting argument but I would like to point out that any perceived need for man to interfere with the ecosystem through hunting is because of our very interference in the first place.
And no I don't particularly like hunting for hunting's sake either, and no I'm not a hippy I'm just a proud British citizen and glad weapons are restricted and bloodsports are slowly being outlawed as I don't see the need for providing society with the means to kill each other or for the cruelty to animals for entertainment purposes. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh Well I am also from the uk and think your type uncritcal bull**** is why its currently going down the ****ter..tell me oh numbnuts why has the uks rate of gun/knife crime stayed steady/slight increase after every sodding hand in and ban?
That's because of a general social breakdown, I wont argue that the gangs of teenage thugs make the streets dangerous in certain areas and that violent crime is constantly increasing but a knife can be obtained from anywhere and imagine how bad the gun crime would be if the thugs and criminals could just walk into a local shop and buy a gun. And not trying to sound to anti American (because I'm not I just they have stupid gun laws and attitudes to them) there are malignant influences from the US its being documented that street gangs are beginning to act like LA style gangsters right down to wearing "colours".
And I think our firearms laws are spot on, we don't have students shooting up their classmates every few months, we don't have thousands of marital quarrels ending up in somebody grabbing a gun and armed robberies where people actually get shot and killed are remarkably infrequent. These things in the US are a everyday occurrence its so common that they are blase about and no longer see the utter waste of the most precious thing we can ever possess. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
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AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:40:00 -
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Yes notice how despite violent crime is higher the murder rate is lower? That illustrates my example that although crime still happens its less likely to result in the loss of life.
I would prefer being punched in the eye than shot in the heart. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys. |
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