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Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:28:00 -
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Everyone keeps acting as if noobs need protection from scamming. What part of "no one wants to scam a noob because they don't have jack ****" don' t you douche nozzles understand? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
930
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:31:00 -
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Esbelta wrote:Everyone keeps acting as if noobs need protection from scamming. What part of" no one wants to scam a noob because they don't have jack ****" don' t you douche nozzles understand?
I'm not talking about good scams. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Grumpy Owly
243
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:32:00 -
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Esbelta wrote:Everyone keeps acting as if noobs need protection from scamming. What part of" no one wants to scam a noob because they don't have jack ****" don' t you douche nozzles understand?
What part of tough ****, CCP ruled it in favourable interests of the entire playerbase don't you reprobates that "do" understand but simply argue tooth and nail to the extent you think your some kind of special snowflake deserving unmitigated rights over others because your interests naturally have to come first? Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:34:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:What part of tough ****, CCP ruled it in favourable interests of the entire playerbase don't you reprobates that "do" understand but simply argue tooth and nail to the extent you think your some kind of special snowflake deserving unmitigated rights over others because your interests naturally have to come first?
I have no clue what you said there bud, try again? |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:35:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Esbelta wrote:Everyone keeps acting as if noobs need protection from scamming. What part of" no one wants to scam a noob because they don't have jack ****" don' t you douche nozzles understand? What part of tough ****, CCP ruled it in favourable interests of the entire playerbase don't you reprobates that "do" understand but simply argue tooth and nail to the extent you think your some kind of special snowflake deserving unmitigated rights over others because your interests naturally have to come first?
I dont. I think everyone should have equal scamming opportunities and not have scamming selectively enforced. And like I said, quit talking about protecting people. True noobs arent worth scamming and everyone else should know better. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:38:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:What part of tough ****, CCP ruled it in favourable interests of the entire playerbase don't you reprobates that "do" understand but simply argue tooth and nail to the extent you think your some kind of special snowflake deserving unmitigated rights over others because your interests naturally have to come first? I have no clue what you said there bud, try again?
TH;DU; Stop being arrogant selfish kids who believe you have better rights over the entire playerbase.
Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:Taedrin wrote:Because the recruitment channel is an official CCP moderated channel, and as such scamming is not tolerated there. Not to mention that the recruitment channel is part of the NPE, which is sacred to CCP. Great, then restrict its access to new players. Sound solution. Just like the rookie help. Nice one :) Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2180
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:TH;DU; Stop being arrogant selfish kids who believe you have better rights over the entire playerbase.
Naturally you'd be just happy if suicide ganking was suddenly made bannable, your opinion is thus irrelevant because you're another "anti-griefer" carebear. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:41:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:La Nariz wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:What part of tough ****, CCP ruled it in favourable interests of the entire playerbase don't you reprobates that "do" understand but simply argue tooth and nail to the extent you think your some kind of special snowflake deserving unmitigated rights over others because your interests naturally have to come first? I have no clue what you said there bud, try again? TH;DU; Stop being arrogant selfish kids who believe you have better rights over the entire playerbase.
Seriously what the hell are you going on about? I know Andski used some big words and proper grammar which might've thrown you for a loop, thus leading the rest of us to believe you in fact either didnt read the OP or are in fact a mouth breathing drool factory. If you need me to explain what is meant by "selective enforcement" I'll be happy to use little words and short sentences for you. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:42:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Hurrrrrr :downsmad:
Yes because wanting to preserve the sandbox, which applies to everyone means I want "better rights." (I think you mean favortism here but I'm not sure) Everyone should have equal scamming opportunities, happy now pubbie? |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:46:00 -
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Goon tears best tears.
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Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Naturally you'd be just happy if suicide ganking was suddenly made bannable, your opinion is thus irrelevant because you're another "anti-griefer" carebear.
We've done this question above where I think I catagorically denied this projection of yours and went further to demonstrate your lack of judgement about my charctaer due to your incorrect determination of my attitudes to PvP and the game.
But I guess in one ear out the next.
Anyhow to refresh your short memory:
Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:
hope that helps
nope and your an arrogant idiot. waah, waah, waah, I believe I'm entitled to everything and overturn rulings, just like all other rational systems implemented by CCP. You are one of those who believes suicide ganking, scams and any sort of non-consensual PvP is bad for the game. Wrong, I beleive they are valid mechanics in the right frame IG. I do not condone the removal of them or their cessation. PvP is good for the game. As an obvious example why would I be promoting bounty hunting?
So despite my attempts to clarify things you will continue to go with your assumptions anyhow. Arrogance and idiocy, QED. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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T0RT0ISE
KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF
37
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:48:00 -
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cry less, just recruit people from that channel without discussing anything in the channel itself and you cant be touched. for a goon you are pretty bad at meta gaming this situation, or were you hoping to create some dramatic uprising about restricting easy mode scamming of noobs. its pretty obvious allowing scamming in that channel instantly makes it worthless so just be a bit more creative and stop shitposting. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:49:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
So despite my attempts to clarify things you will continue to go with your assumptions anyhow. Arrogance and idiocy, QED.
You haven't really done anything but shitpost, please though do explain yourself.
E: Guy above me, newbs do not make good marks they have nothing of value so they are not scammed. Idiots with too much isk and too little brains those are the marks. |
Grumpy Owly
243
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:56:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Hurrrrrr :downsmad: Yes because wanting to preserve the sandbox, which applies to everyone means I want "better rights." (I think you mean favortism here but I'm not sure) Everyone should have equal scamming opportunities, happy now pubbie?
And yet funnily enough its my belief that the very reason CCP introduced the ruling was very much to preserve this sandbox, and not just for "scammers".
Since I believe CCP have made this decision in order to benefit the growth of the community and to afford the purposeful use of the recruitment channel for its intended purpose. I see this as largely more beneficial to "whole" of EvE rather than just pandering to the interests of scammers who obviosuly don't give two hoots about the progression of EvE overall. They are more concerned about ensuring ISK is flowing into their own wallets.
+1 to CCP. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Kelvan Hemanseh
Starwinders The Unwilling.
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:57:00 -
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I'm pretty sure goons are one of the reasons why this game is interesting and hasn't stagnated to death yet. From starting huge 0.0 wars, pulling off amazing heists, causing huge market fluctuations, interdicting an entire market, etc. In case you all forget they we're one of the voices that saved the game when it nearly died because of too much focusing of space barbies. So maybe we should listen to them and ask CCP for some policy change or statement about this. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:03:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:And yet funnily enough its my belief that the very reason CCP introduced the ruling was very much to preserve this sandbox, and not just for "scammers".
Why don't you explain this to me, how does preventing people with too much isk and too little brains from being scammed increase the sandbox potential?
I can answer it for you already, it doesn't restricting actions reduces sandbox potential. The only good exception to that is botting.
Grumpy Owly wrote: Since I believe CCP have made this decision in order to benefit the growth of the community and to afford the purposeful use of the recruitment channel for its intended purpose. I see this as largely more beneficial to "whole" of EvE rather than just pandering to the interests of scammers who obviosuly don't give two hoots about the progression of EvE overall. They are more concerned about ensuring ISK is flowing into their own wallets.
+1 to CCP.
Growth would have to be an increase as in more new players. Yet as many of us have already stated new players have nothing so they aren't marks. One of the attractions to EVE is that it is a cold, dark, and harsh place. Hell most of the word of mouth advertising from EVE comes from scams. I see no growth from allowing rich morons to keep their isk by protecting them from scams. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
767
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:07:00 -
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Hi CCP why are your GMs telling people that scamming outside of the channel "isn't advised" either. Is this a threat? Could you clarify that thanks. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:09:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:And yet funnily enough its my belief that the very reason CCP introduced the ruling was very much to preserve this sandbox, and not just for "scammers"..
You don't know that. It's more likely that they got tired of getting so many barely legible support tickets from angry pubbies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Grumpy Owly
243
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:10:00 -
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Kelvan Hemanseh wrote:I'm pretty sure goons are one of the reasons why this game is interesting and hasn't stagnated to death yet. From starting huge 0.0 wars, pulling off amazing heists, causing huge market fluctuations, interdicting an entire market, etc. In case you all forget they we're one of the voices that saved the game when it nearly died because of too much focusing of space barbies. So maybe we should listen to them and ask CCP for some policy change or statement about this.
And yet login statstics do demonstrate that the game has stagnated.
There is a contra argument that EvE could be a more pleasurable experience for everyone should a larger majority of the playerbase be catered for. CSM interests seem to be taking a more focussed approach to simply ensure interests are being covered for a "select" set of individuals rather than looking at things in a more philanthropic way to generate more interest for a multitude of different playstyles which could perfectly co-exist side by side and without being an exclusion to each other.
As such there is quite an amount of distaste in the community as a result of Goon meta interest as a result whose to say it isnt having a detrimental effect? The added value Goons bring IG is fine as the boogeymen, criminal element, clowns, griefers whatever your preferred label, but we need to make the distinction here between IG antics and arguing about mechanics for selfish benefit.There are plenty of opportunites available to scammers IG.
However, as it's CCP who made the ruling fair enough, I'll let them give full details for the justification for them making the change. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:13:00 -
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Quit trying to pretend like you are intelligent. You're just spewing gibberish and not really convincing anyone of anything other than the fact you most likely eat your lunch from a Snoopy lunchbox every day. |
Inkdew
Space Jumpers Bringers of Death.
18
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:13:00 -
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Shutup goonie, can't steal money from little newbies? Too scared to go do something real? -_- |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:16:00 -
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Inkdew wrote:Shutup goonie, can't steal money from little newbies? Too scared to go do something real? -_-
You know Eve is a game, right? |
Robbie Circus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:17:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
And yet login statstics do demonstrate that the game has stagnated.
change.
This is quite interesting do you have actual stats? |
Rick Maken
Secure Space Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:17:00 -
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CCP is destroying the whole concept of EVE by banning scamming in recruitment.
Not that I would partake in such shenanigans. |
Inkdew
Space Jumpers Bringers of Death.
18
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:19:00 -
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Esbelta wrote:Inkdew wrote:Shutup goonie, can't steal money from little newbies? Too scared to go do something real? -_- You know Eve is a game, right?
You do realize I was being sarcastic? I just wanted to partake in the goon bashing :)
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Kelvan Hemanseh
Starwinders The Unwilling.
20
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:23:00 -
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To those that could not read his original post I tried to fix it but some things are beyond my help.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Kelvan Hemanseh wrote:I'm pretty sure goons are one of the reasons why this game is interesting and hasn't stagnated to death yet. From starting huge 0.0 wars, pulling off amazing heists, causing huge market fluctuations, interdicting an entire market, etc. In case you all forget they we're one of the voices that saved the game when it nearly died because of too much focusing of space barbies. So maybe we should listen to them and ask CCP for some policy change or statement about this. And yet login statistics do demonstrate that the game has stagnated. There is a counter argument that EvE could be a more pleasurable experience for everyone should a larger majority of the player base be catered for. CSM interests seem to be taking a more focused approach to simply ensure interests are being covered for a "select" set of individuals rather than looking at things in a more philanthropic way to generate more interest for a multitude of different play styles which could perfectly co-exist side by side and without being an exclusion to each other. As such there is quite an amount of distaste in the community as a result of Goon meta interest as a result whose to say it isn't having a detrimental effect? The added value Goons bring in game is fine as the boogeymen, criminal element, clowns, griefers whatever your preferred label, but we need to make the distinction here between in game antics and arguing about mechanics for selfish benefit.There are plenty of opportunities available to scammers in game. However, as it's CCP who made the ruling fair enough, I'll let them give full details for the justification for making them making the change.
Okay frankly everything you said there is basically BS, it was right when this character was started that Hilmar put out his SOS call as subscriptions plummeted and the average amount of logged in users was ~19,000. After the emergency summit in which the CSM (made up of 2 goons and others) helped revive the game. Since then subscriptions have been rising and the average amount of logged in users was ~30,000-40,000.
The CSM serves as a sanity filter to CCP, its purpose is to prevent horrible abominations like last summer. They basically revived the game so I have no idea why you hate them unless space barbies were a treasured thing of yours.
Also in case you didn't notice, goons do more things than make high sec miserable for a few stupid people. Look at 0.0 yes it exists, now look at that war going on. That huge war is another big draw to the game that you aren't giving them credit for. I'll give you that they are "bad guys" in this game but you cannot have "good guys" without bad guys. They serve a necessary part of this game and right now they are trying to act as a sanity filter against something being done probably out of laziness by CCP.
I can understand what CCP is trying to do as well, they want to address the horrible onslaught of stupid people petitioning being scammed. This isn't the right way to do that though this way creates more work and makes the game less of a sandbox.
Also for ****s sake put some effort into your posts I'm tired of having to get a decoder ring out just to figure out what you're saying. |
Grumpy Owly
244
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:24:00 -
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Robbie Circus wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:
And yet login statstics do demonstrate that the game has stagnated.
change.
This is quite interesting do you have actual stats?
Sure:
http://i.imgur.com/Td3ex.jpg
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
I dont see any significant growth pattern. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:27:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:And yet login statstics do demonstrate that the game has stagnated.
That has more to do with space pants and other poor decision making on CCP's part than anything we are doing. If CCP could point to an actual statistic that showed them that scamming was actually hurting the game they would change the EULA and put a stop to it. Everything else is just hot air.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:29:00 -
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I can't see the second one for some reason but the first one doesn't include post-crucible. That information is way to dated to be applied to the current situation.
E: After getting that to load it shows a slight increase which further proves that you are completely wrong.
Also the one you really want, is the number of subscribed accounts, not logins. |
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