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Zwik
Quantico
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zwik on 26/03/2008 15:04:47 Edited by: Zwik on 26/03/2008 15:03:57 Peace be upon everyone.
Dear Crowd Control Productions (CCP),
I would like to highlight a serious matter to you.
The group of people who put up this website: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message .. are doing exactly what is banned according to you, as written in your policy.
FACT Jihadswarm is misrepresenting Islam. How do I know this? I know this because I am a Muslim. Yes, be afraid now..
Here are a few false statements that have been made by Jihadswarm. :refer to http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message
False Statement #1 "I am Karttoon, Shiekh of JihadSwarm and prophet of Allah" The truth: There is no prophet of Allah named Karttoon in Islam.
False Statement #2 "Praise be to Allah, there is no god but allah, and Karttoon is his prophet!" The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet!
VERDICT Therefore according to CCP's own SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY, they have flouted rule no 3.a and possibly rule 3.b
WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW, CCP ? Jihadswarm's false statements and actions in EVE is detrimental to ISLAM. Why? Because what they do is opposite of what ISLAM teaches. They mis-use the name of Allah, they pervert the true meaning of Jihad, and make a mockery of all this. Jihad is never holy war. The meaning of Jihad is "to strive, to struggle", and totally not "holy war".
JihadSwarm is behaving like Al-Qaeda. The real terrorists. Not the behaviour of a true Muslim.
CCP your rules clearly state what is acceptable in this game. Will you then not act?
Peace,
A Muslim
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3. HARASSMENT
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-***, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:02:00 -
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GOON ALT DETECTED ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24) |
Zephyr Rengate
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:05:00 -
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GTFO
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:06:00 -
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How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...?
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jackie sparrow
Brotherhood of the Ancients
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:07:00 -
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CCP does not control contents on other people's website. The fact that the Jihadswarm website is a website that the killmails are being uploaded to does not mean that the people who partake in the Jihadswarm kilings have anything against muslims...
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Nomakai Delateriel
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:08:00 -
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OP is either a Goon alt, or needs to have his parody-sensors recalibrated. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
SoftRevolution
Complicity.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:08:00 -
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate GTFO
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:13:00 -
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Jihadswarm is good for Islam TBH.
First ppl will play around and mimic it.
It will get into the general unconscious as the "cool" or "fun" thing.
Then some of them will actually find out about real Islam and accept it.
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Amarth Thargan
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:13:00 -
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With the eye on the current rumors of global shortage in bandwith I'd say: Sue that persoon for bandwith-wastage.
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Jernau Gurgeh
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 -
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How are CCP responsible for the content of a third party website?
If you don't like the content of the site, the sensible thing to do would be to report them to the ISP hosting the site. The jerk-like thing to do would be to report them to the FBI's anti-terrorism people.
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 26/03/2008 15:14:17 Whilst not caring if goons want to blow up haulers and miners in high sec, i do happen to give a screw about this subject.
the constant religious gibes comming from goons is insulting and has NO PLACE in eve-online.
sorry, just how i feel.
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Avon
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Not exactly a positive advertisement though, is it?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 -
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I see it as them making fun of the extreamists who run around shouting this kind of dribble who tarnish Islam.
Seriously religious people need to grow thicker skin, especialy those fundermental christians
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zwik The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet!
You are misrepresenting faith as objective fact. So you are denying my faith. So religious intolerance isn't allowed, so you should be banned.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:15:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious
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Cailais
VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic GOON ALT DETECTED
Shame there's no sound on the forums - never mind I'll do my best..
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Scoundrelus
Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...?
Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me.
Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Winterblink
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Not exactly a positive advertisement though, is it?
Actually it is.
I have a positive view of Jihadswarm.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends.
Theres no such thing as bad publicity.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:17:00 -
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I think they should change the name of their thing to "Finalsolutionswarm" and spam "Juden 'Raus!" in local when they attack.
The propaganda would be a lot better that way. They could work in a bunch of stuff about rich, filthy carebears manipulating the market, controlling the banks, funding communism and despoiling the purity of the races: the Plague of Insterstellar Carebearery. That way they could claim to be "deporting" carebears to Minmatar space too. Not to mention the snazzy uniforms.
That would be fuggin hilarious I think. ______________________________
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Zantrei Kordisin
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:18:00 -
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Damn, you are right. It's just as well that that is on some website not managed or owned by CCP in any way then, I guess.
Don't get me wrong, I'd blow up any goons that I come accross, but I'm quite enjoying the entertainment factor that this whinage is providing.
Silly people.
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Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Malar on 26/03/2008 15:21:41
Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...?
Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me.
Actually, i was going to post this yesterday, but since someone actually brought it up, heres my .2 isk.
It is not about advertising a faith. It is about abusing the terms / ideologies of a faith. Jihad is the word holy war waged by muslims. Last time i checked the goons werend a muslim organization and i seriously doubt that any religious leader would call a jihad over a computer game, at least a virtual one.
So all in one, its sheer mockery.. they play jihad cuz they find it to be fun. You can translate it to playing terrorists. It might be fun for you, but you have to realize that it might hurt people.
Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / rascist / opressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game.
So yea.. i dont care if they get banner or just a slap on their wirsts for doing this, but CCP definitely has to deal with issues like this, before some moron starts the holy crusade against the goons just for fun and we end up playing medieval: eve before we realize whats happening.
edit: just to clarify I dont give a damn what their websites say.. But the forums are full with this jihadswarm stuff and that i really find bad. So if they wanna play terrorists, fine. Just keep it off the forums / local.
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Punaineefor Gaius
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:19:00 -
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Excellent use of meta-gaming tactics. I salute you sir.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:20:00 -
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short answer: lol
other answer: Ban policy 3a and 3b would both be serious stretches in this case. And in any event, obscenity in American law typically means something with no redeeming social value and objectionable in the eyes of a given community at large. Obviously the Eve playerbase is international and CCP is headquartered in Iceland, so American obscenity definitions have no authoritative place in this argument, but I'm just using them as a frame of reference. I'd like to here any argument though that demonstrates that the Goons are violating any sort of obscenity guidelines, based on the definition provided above. Either that, or CCP needs to clearly define obscenity as it appears in their ban policy.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Winterblink
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Not exactly a positive advertisement though, is it?
*shrug* I guess that depends on how much real-life stock you put in the actions of people in a game.
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Scoundrelus
Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malar
It is not about advertising a faith. It is about abusing the terms / ideologies of a faith. Jihad is the word holy war waged by muslims.
Jihad actually means "Struggle" or "To Strive For". However this is perceived as holy war because a war is a struggle and you strive for victory or whatever.
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Avon
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
*shrug* I guess that depends on how much real-life stock you put in the actions of people in a game.
Well, ideally that would be none because people shouldn't drag the former in to the later. That's pretty much the reason it is against the rules in the first place.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malar Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / racist / oppressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game.
I understand all your points, and I can see where you're coming. But with regards to the above quote, you're actually doing that which you're speaking out against with this thread. Not trying to be a *****, just thought that was worth pointing out.
CCP isn't blind and deaf to these types of issues, and I'm sure you're not the first Muslim to raise it to them as a point of contention. The fact that nothing has been done has to say something about the validity of arguments against their behavior.
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.26 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malar Edited by: Malar on 26/03/2008 15:21:41
Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...?
Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me.
Actually, i was going to post this yesterday, but since someone actually brought it up, heres my .2 isk.
It is not about advertising a faith. It is about abusing the terms / ideologies of a faith. Jihad is the word holy war waged by muslims. Last time i checked the goons werend a muslim organization and i seriously doubt that any religious leader would call a jihad over a computer game, at least a virtual one.
So all in one, its sheer mockery.. they play jihad cuz they find it to be fun. You can translate it to playing terrorists. It might be fun for you, but you have to realize that it might hurt people.
Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / rascist / opressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game.
So yea.. i dont care if they get banner or just a slap on their wirsts for doing this, but CCP definitely has to deal with issues like this, before some moron starts the holy crusade against the goons just for fun and we end up playing medieval: eve before we realize whats happening.
edit: just to clarify I dont give a damn what their websites say.. But the forums are full with this jihadswarm stuff and that i really find bad. So if they wanna play terrorists, fine. Just keep it off the forums / local.
I completely disaggree with you here, they are simply roleplaying what has become normal practise in certain parts of the world, I don't see what would be wrong with someone starting a crusade against them as that's a very good idea and would be fun.
And why can't they play terrorists, oh wait you said it might hurt some people, are you for ******* real, terrorists really do hurt people in the real world, this is the virtual world and if someone is hurt by someone else playing a terrorist then tbqfh they are pretty sad, and if you take your head out of the sand you will see that almost all games people play now a days involve playing a terrorist, did you forget the fact that religon is already a part of this game as is slavery.
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