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Primnproper
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 -
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I'm not trying to go all tin foil hat or anything, but it wouldn't suprise me if one of the reasons CCP has stood back on this is because they merged with White Wolf, who have used the term jihad to mean 'blood war' in many of their pen and paper roleplay books, in relation to vampire in particular... |
Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: cpt rhodes Everyone has a right to out their opinion on any religion in my opinion. They are not directly associating themselves with the islam, but with the terrorist group perhaps? I am catholic and if people mock christianity, that is up to them. I do not get angry about it and go and blow myself up. If these guys want to do this I have no problem with it, they have a right to do what they want and they are not directly annoying you.
Actually people have a right to do that yea, but in certain environments where you are in a closed up space - like in a game - you are expected to avoid such topics as these only generate conflict.
School, workplace, international chat rooms / games. These are just a few examples of places where you do not speak out your mind loudly. Not because you do not have the right to do it, but because noone CARES what you think. The best you can achieve is to step on someone's toe and make him upset.
If people believe in something, oppose something, etc.. then go to demonstrations, spread fliers, hell blow something up if thats the only way to express yourself.
JUST KEEP IT OUTSIDE WHEN GOING TO PLAY.
It is a game, and the last thing we need is people bringing real world politics / religions into it. As if there isnt enough cr*p in this world already without listening to some half-educated moron cry jihad whenever he blows up something in a video game.
For him it might be fun, for the X others watching / listening its disgusting. The rest just dont care. Is it worth it? Hardly. --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 -
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Beehead those who insult Goonswarm.
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Moraguth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 26/03/2008 15:20:22
Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03
How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith.
Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...?
Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me.
Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends.
Also Zwik, I 100% agree with you and I've petitioned multiple racist posts to CCP which they've deleted and "warned" the Goonswarm members, but nothing really gets done in the end, and bringing a reasonable concern to this forum almost always ends up having immature and ignorant people voicing their uneducated opinions. Just petition them ingame whenever you see them doing something wrong for all the good that does.
I mean I petitioned two names like 3 weeks ago because frankly I found them offensive:
Achmed TheDeadTerrorist Achmed tha'Terrorist
And I got a response within seconds and then nothing was done after. Yet my friend hasd his name deleted and reset to Minmatar Citizen145234 or some crap like that and his original name was "Groinbutterz". I've given up on MMOs when it comes to this kind of thing and I tend to take things into my own hands now.
HAhahahaha, go look those names up on youtube or something. If those don't work, look up Jeff Dunham. Amazing comic ventriloquist. That's one of his characters. good game
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Benilopax
Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: cpt rhodes By the way, the statements that you refer to are on their website. It is not ingame or offensive to players ingame. EVE policy applys to people who are doing these things INGAME their website does not reflect apon their player behaviour ingame so go get your facts straight.
Actually the members of thatswarm have been rping muslim terrorists in local when they attack hulks. Not all of them but some of them. TBH there was one occasion where the language was quite offensive.
However, I have no idea whether CCP dealt with those pilots at the time. I don't mind the attacks, or the website, I can choose to ignor those but I think proclaiming holy war verses capitalism in local is a bit too far.
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Fuazzole
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:21:00 -
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The media/world freely makes mockery of all relegions, Evangelists are mad, Catholic priests are peado's, Jew's are money grabbers, why not Muslim? cause were afraid of making em angry?
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sertan Deras See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. So we can just agree to disagree on this.
I think it's appropriate to fling my own excrement in public, and share the wonderful aromatic fruit of my bowels with my fellow man. Me and most of the rest of society are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
roadrage639
VITA. Imperium Aeternum
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: roadrage639 on 26/03/2008 17:23:19
Originally by: Malar
School, workplace, international chat rooms / games. These are just a few examples of places where you do not speak out your mind loudly. Not because you do not have the right to do it, but because noone CARES what you think.
Then why are you *****ing about it if noone cares? You are now reading my Sig. |
Von Ulrich
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Beehead those who insult Goonswarm.
+1
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Sertan Deras
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:27:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Sertan Deras See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. So we can just agree to disagree on this.
I think it's appropriate to fling my own excrement in public, and share the wonderful aromatic fruit of my bowels with my fellow man. Me and most of the rest of society are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
Oh what an awesomely pubbie analogy. Because yes, throwing around your ****, causing a public health danger, is definitely just like making fun of religious extremists.
Also, be careful when you talk about "the rest of society", because most people are of the opinion that society takes itself too seriously as a matter of course.
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Cameron Vayle
Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 I see it as them making fun of the extreamists who run around shouting this kind of dribble who tarnish Islam.
Seriously religious people need to grow thicker skin, especialy those fundermental christians
Interesting. Though I don't see the people you are telling to get a thicker skin car bombing and killing people around the world in the name of God. Do you?
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sertan Deras Oh what an awesomely pubbie analogy. Because yes, throwing around your ****, causing a public health danger, is definitely just like making fun of religious extremists.
Hey, you're kind of thick aren't you? That's OK, I'm here to help.
While it may be true that you can get all kinds of icky diseases from human waste (not mine -- I eat chlorine tabs every day), the fact is that the first thing you think about when you see **** isn't that it's dangerous, it's that it's obnoxious, smelly and in almost every way undesirable.
Much like your very important opinion about politics and religion.
Quote: Also, be careful when you talk about "the rest of society", because most people are of the opinion that society takes itself too seriously as a matter of course.
Here's another one who could probably do with a break from SA and a healthy dose of Outside(tm). ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:37:00 -
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Someone said:
"Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."
I think many agree on that.
Tbh, if your imaginary friend is taking offense for someone making jokes about them; let him/her speak up and tell us?
Until then, most of us will just treat you religious nuts as nuts and laugh at you. After all, YOU are the kinda ppl that belong in a mental institution.
You dont deserve anything but contempt after all the hundreds and thousands of years of murder, theft, rape, torture and war you have brought down on humanity. And im not only talking about Islam, im talking about almost ALL religions.
They are all **** and deserve to be ridiculed.
Forever.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |
Esmenet
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Hope the goons get tired of their trolling crusade in the general forum soon.
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Sertan Deras
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sertan Deras on 26/03/2008 17:38:49
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Here's another one who could probably do with a break from SA and a healthy dose of Outside(tm).
That's pretty funny, because I don't have an SA account. Never even been there.
If you don't realize that society, and humans, take themselves too seriously, that's a you problem. I am going to continue to laugh at extremists, and you, for taking yourselves, and your "faith", so seriously.
In the mean time, you can continue to make poo flinging analogies, which I will continue to mock and laugh at.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: PR0PAGANDA might want to watch out for this one. coming from a religon that has people who wanted to kill over some cartoon pics in a newpaper and kill a teacher over a teddy bears name.
Yes - that's right - just label and group 1 billion people on Earth to this mentality - congratulations you're completely ignorant!
I suppose I could make statements like you and I'll go about brandishing every Catholic as a closet pedophile, every Jew as a money grabber, and every black person for a thug...
Get educated...
Originally by: JonLuc McPew
Quote: Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing,
It doesnt?? They sure seem to do a sh*tload of it...
Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion.
I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting?
I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence...
I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sertan Deras
That's pretty funny, because I don't have an SA account. Never even been there.
If you don't realize that society, and humans, take themselves too seriously, that's a you problem. I am going to continue to laugh at extremists, and you, for taking yourselves, and your "faith", so seriously.
In the mean time, you can continue to make poo flinging analogies, which I will continue to mock and laugh at.
There you go, take the moral highground. That'll mitigate the irony for sure. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cameron Vayle
Originally by: baltec1 I see it as them making fun of the extreamists who run around shouting this kind of dribble who tarnish Islam.
Seriously religious people need to grow thicker skin, especialy those fundermental christians
Interesting. Though I don't see the people you are telling to get a thicker skin car bombing and killing people around the world in the name of God. Do you?
We don't see Muslims doing it around the world either, and where we do see it it's still generally outshined in frequency by random rocket or mortar attacks, or IED emplacement. Not that it really matters to this discussion anyway. I think it's been established that the Goons aren't violating any Eve rules with their Jihadswarm thingy, so this thread has run its course.
Anyway I'll shut up now and get back to watching what has become personal attack thread of the day.
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Sertan Deras
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion.
I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting?
I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence...
I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it!
When people do idiotic things (blow themselves up, touch little boys, kick people out of their apartments with raised rent, burn people at the stake) they deserve to be laughed at and mocked, by everyone. That's not bigotry, that's checks and balances against extremist idiots like that ruling the roost.
And if Muslim's are so cute and fuzzy, where are the moderate Sheiks? Why aren't they speaking up more? Oh, that's right, because even Muhammad himself preached conversion by the sword. It's a religious tenant of Islam. Oops.
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Cameron Vayle
Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast Little publicized fact about suicide bombings... the bomber dies most of the time...even if they kill nobody else... if they live they are referred to as "Failed Suicide Bomber"
So if the Goons are "Role Playing" Suicide bombers, each attack should result in the deletion of the character used...
As some are so fond of saying...
THIS!
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Sertan Deras
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Sertan Deras
That's pretty funny, because I don't have an SA account. Never even been there.
If you don't realize that society, and humans, take themselves too seriously, that's a you problem. I am going to continue to laugh at extremists, and you, for taking yourselves, and your "faith", so seriously.
In the mean time, you can continue to make poo flinging analogies, which I will continue to mock and laugh at.
There you go, take the moral highground. That'll mitigate the irony for sure.
Not exactly sure where I am taking the morale high ground, unless the morale high ground is to continue to laugh at you. In which case, right on.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cameron Vayle
Originally by: Hamfast Little publicized fact about suicide bombings... the bomber dies most of the time...even if they kill nobody else... if they live they are referred to as "Failed Suicide Bomber"
So if the Goons are "Role Playing" Suicide bombers, each attack should result in the deletion of the character used...
As some are so fond of saying...
THIS!
Pod pilots never die. You can only suicide your ship in Eve, not yourself.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sertan Deras
Not exactly sure where I am taking the morale high ground, unless the morale high ground is to continue to laugh at you. In which case, right on.
It doesn't surprise me that you don't get it, you seem like a pretty confused individual.
Have fun running around calling people "pubbies" though. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Won Swunglow
Dead By Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:52:00 -
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On behalf of Elohim, I fully endorse this thread.
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Vulchev
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:58:00 -
[115]
*facepalm*
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:14:00 -
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I think GoonSwarm shoved poor taste here.
The fact that they excuse themselves with something akin to "He did it first" doesn't elevate them in my opinion.
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Leferati
Mercantile Club Research
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:21:00 -
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the servers are in london so the act would cover this .
3.4 Incitement to Racial and Religious Hatred
The problem of illegal, harmful, distasteful or offensive content on FE or HE computer systems or the internet is of course not restricted to ****ography.
Internet content exists which contravenes the rules enacted to prevent the making of anti-religious statements (the law of blasphemy), the making of racist or inflammatory statements (incitement to racial hatred or "hate speech" rules - Race Relations Act 1976) and the making of politically subversive or seditious statements.
Incitement to racial hatred is governed by section 21 of the Public Order Act 1986 which states that it is an offence for a person to publish or distribute material which is threatening or abusive or insulting if:
* it is intended thereby to stir up racial hatred, or * having regard to all the circumstances, racial hatred is likely to be stirred thereby.
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 gained Royal Assent on 16 February 2006. The Act makes it illegal to threaten people because of their religion, or to stir up hatred against a person because of their faith. It is designed to fill gaps in the current laws, which makes it illegal to threaten people on the basis of race or ethnic background. This Act extends to England and Wales only.
The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 created new racially aggravated harassment and public order offences and came into force on 30 September 1998. For each of these new offences, the maximum penalty is higher than the maximum for the basic offence without the element of racial aggravation.
What is involved is that either at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial group. Or where the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial group based on their membership of that group.
Inciting either racial or religious hatred is therefore a criminal offence. Publishing and disseminating online materials that are likely to incite such hatred is also a criminal offence. Such incidents should be reported to the police.
As corporate entities FE and HE institutions have a responsibility not to publish and disseminate racist materials in any format including electronically. As well as the likely reputational damage, as public authorities, FE and HE institutions have a general statutory duty under The Race Relations Act 1976 (as amended), in carrying out their functions, to consider the need to eliminate unlawful discrimination and to promote equality of opportunity and good relations between people of different racial groups.
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Von Ulrich
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:23:00 -
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If Allah is the one true God and all non-believers are infidels destine for damnation, then I don't think Islam really has much to worry about from the rantings of Goons.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:24:00 -
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hey guys amarr are racists lets ban ccp!
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Raijin Iyo
Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sertan Deras
Originally by: Omarvelous
Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion.
I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting?
I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence...
I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it!
When people do idiotic things (blow themselves up, touch little boys, kick people out of their apartments with raised rent, burn people at the stake) they deserve to be laughed at and mocked, by everyone. That's not bigotry, that's checks and balances against extremist idiots like that ruling the roost.
And if Muslim's are so cute and fuzzy, where are the moderate Sheiks? Why aren't they speaking up more? Oh, that's right, because even Muhammad himself preached conversion by the sword. It's a religious tenant of Islam. Oops.
I don't think laughing at pedophiles and suicide bombers is a real effective check and balance.
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