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Barbelo Valentinian	Posted - 2008.04.01 00:40:00 - [1] Doesn't the fact that so many vet-proposed solutions to gatecamping, suiciding, etc., require alts show that the game is, to some extent, broken? If you can't do everything you need to do in character, and you have to step outside the game into RL, then back into the game, isn't something awry from the point of this being a role playing game? ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Ralara	Posted - 2008.04.01 00:42:00 - [2] It's meant to promote teamwork. Many things, if not nearly all things in Eve require or promote teamwork - maintaining a pos, a corp, mining, pvp, heck even some missions - perhaps too much - so people use 2 accounts, or 3. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Xcom Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.01 01:01:00 - [3] I think he is refering to alts on the same account.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.01 01:02:00 - [4] Yes, there are things in this game that cannot be accomplished by one player. POS maintenance (generally speaking) and the cyno movement of cap ships, for example. I disapprove of alts, and thus my philosophy about cap ships and POSs is that if you don't have friends who can help you with those things, then you don't need to be using those things (go out and make some friends, loser.) Obviously having an alt at your beck and call is more efficient than relying on someone else, but still, that human-human interaction (the second M in MMO) should be fundamentally encouraged.
Djinn Phluxx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.01 13:07:00 - [5] They don't require an 'alt', necessarily. They require an additional player (or more). I believe that's intended. I'm sure you've read in the forums or in a guide somewhere...you can't solo eve.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.01 13:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Doesn't the fact that so many vet-proposed solutions to gatecamping, suiciding, etc., require alts show that the game is, to some extent, broken? If you can't do everything you need to do in character, and you have to step outside the game into RL, then back into the game, isn't something awry from the point of this being a role playing game? They don't require alts. The advice is predicated on the assumption that whiny crybabies don't have any friends. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Exlegion	Posted - 2008.04.01 13:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Doesn't the fact that so many vet-proposed solutions to gatecamping, suiciding, etc., require alts show that the game is, to some extent, broken? If you can't do everything you need to do in character, and you have to step outside the game into RL, then back into the game, isn't something awry from the point of this being a role playing game? They don't require alts. The advice is predicated on the assumption that whiny crybabies don't have any friends. Funny you should say that, considering that lots of pirates self-profess the fact they own an alt to circumvent any or all of the consequences associated with pirating. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Varrakk	Posted - 2008.04.01 13:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Djinn Phluxx They don't require an 'alt', necessarily. They require an additional player (or more). I believe that's intended. I'm sure you've read in the forums or in a guide somewhere...you can't solo eve. i soloed eve, the endguy wasnt hard
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.01 14:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 01/04/2008 13:28:22 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Doesn't the fact that so many vet-proposed solutions to gatecamping, suiciding, etc., require alts show that the game is, to some extent, broken? If you can't do everything you need to do in character, and you have to step outside the game into RL, then back into the game, isn't something awry from the point of this being a role playing game? They don't require alts. The advice is predicated on the assumption that whiny crybabies don't have any friends. Funny you should say that, considering that lots of self-professed pirates flaunt the fact they own alts with the specific intention to circumvent any or all of the consequences associated with pirating. My comment was a little tongue in cheek - sorry if that didn't come across. Disclaimer: I have 5 characters on 3 accounts, 3 of whom I log into regularly and 2 of which I consider "mains" (the other two are a cyno alt and lastly a 800k SP scout - which I haven't used in 6 months or so). I have never used an alt to spy, scam or circumvent sec status penalties (in fact I broke my negative sec cherry yesterday during an awesome fight in lo-sec - now I'm doing a few missions to hike it back up a bit), only to train non-combat skills I don't want to spend Mal's time on eg: corp management, trade, etc. Using alts to circumvent loss of sec status is a legitimate thing to complain about IMO. Personally I would be quite happy with an "known associates" tab or some such in character info showing all that alts on an account. I can't think of any way to get around multiple accounting off-hand, but maybe you have some ideas? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.01 14:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Exlegion on 01/04/2008 14:30:07 Malcanis, Well, that's the problem CCP faces. There really isn't an easy way to "fix" this problem without hurting a whole lot of innocent players in the process. You have to consider there are players, such as yourself, who legitimately play other characters/accounts. That's understandable. Then you have the metaplayers that even encourage metagaming as counters, such as circumventing piracy consequences, logging off during combat, alt-scouting. Personally I think this game of alts is a consequence of many issues including broken game mechanics (such as lack of proper counters) and sheer intentional malice ("Because I can!" attitude). Although I doubt it, it is also possible that CCP indeed intended alts to be used the way they're used today. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr

Kaede Frost	Posted - 2008.04.01 14:41:00 - [11] The fact that using an alt is almost a necessity in EVE, was i am sure intentional by CCP and will never change. Why give a primary charecter all the tools necessary to function as well as two or three charecters and lose such a large portion of account revenue. Join the In-game lottery mailing list: "Kaede Lottery" to keep uptodate on the latest lottery.
Chomin H'ak The Trivenerate	Posted - 2008.04.01 17:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Djinn Phluxx They don't require an 'alt', necessarily. They require an additional player (or more). I believe that's intended. I'm sure you've read in the forums or in a guide somewhere...you can't solo eve. Sorry, but you can. Teamwork is encouraged not mandatory. I soloed for the first year of play and only recently started recruiting because I wanted to help new players who are not feeling very welcome because of all of the 'kill teh n00b' mentality that has recently been extremely prevalent. So now, I have lowly recruits with less than 1M SP who do not really make any contributions that are on par with my own (though every bit helps and is appreciated). I still solo most things, but work with my team to educate and learn new things myself. I've done fine by myself so far. Re: the OP; imo, alts are broken. There are no consequences for using an alt. Some argue that the sec hit keeps them in check, but you can say you're tired of the toon and recycle him/her and still remain on this side of the exploit line. I personally think that either limiting the number of toons to 2 vs. 3 or having a means to see who one's alts are and their sec status would bring the game on to a whole new level.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2008.04.01 17:49:00 - [13] To hard to relly on not self to do what is rigth. It is beter to do it on self. So alts is impotant. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Djinn Phluxx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.01 23:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Chomin H'ak Originally by: Djinn Phluxx They don't require an 'alt', necessarily. They require an additional player (or more). I believe that's intended. I'm sure you've read in the forums or in a guide somewhere...you can't solo eve. Sorry, but you can. Teamwork is encouraged not mandatory. I soloed for the first year of play and only recently started recruiting because I wanted to help new players who are not feeling very welcome because of all of the 'kill teh n00b' mentality that has recently been extremely prevalent. So now, I have lowly recruits with less than 1M SP who do not really make any contributions that are on par with my own (though every bit helps and is appreciated). I still solo most things, but work with my team to educate and learn new things myself. I've done fine by myself so far. Re: the OP; imo, alts are broken. There are no consequences for using an alt. Some argue that the sec hit keeps them in check, but you can say you're tired of the toon and recycle him/her and still remain on this side of the exploit line. I personally think that either limiting the number of toons to 2 vs. 3 or having a means to see who one's alts are and their sec status would bring the game on to a whole new level. I never said you couldn't do some things solo. You can do a great many things solo. Some easier or harder than others. You can't do everything solo, though, which is what I meant when I said you can't solo eve. There's no character in the game who can, right this very minute, do everything the game has to offer all by him/her self. At some point, a character will have to rely on another character. This could be a completely separate entity or an alt, but the fact still remains that the need there is for 'another character'...not that said character be an alt or someone else. Given all that, though I'll gladly say some aspects of eve can be played alone, I'll stand by my original statement that Eve can't be soloed.

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