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Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:29:00 -
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First is this is the wrong place, feel free to tell me so.
This is the story as I know it. My friend logged in and sat in station for about 10 minutes. He accepted a mission and headed out in his CNR to do said mission. Was a two pocket Blood Raider mission iirc. Either way, he's soon telling me to get on and come to him because he's being shot at. Guy had a worm, then as I got there also had an alt/friend with an Orca so he swapped ships and popped him shortly after I got there.
So, I asked my friend if he did ANYTHING towards the other guy, loot a yellow wreck, pretty much did you do anything between logging on til this point that wasn't just doing the mission. He said no, he didn't loot anything, not even his own wrecks. He said the guy came in, locked him and just started shooting. We aren't at war, and if he had shot the guy initially he would have been Concorded so it likely wasn't stray drones either, and those were on passive.
He's a really good friend that I trust, and I still have some small doubts that he didn't do anything to bring it upon himself, BUT just in case someone else has seen something like this, I'd figured I'd ask.
Basically as far as I can tell, he never aggressed the other guy, who was able to somehow come in and just shoot him freely.
Thoughts? |
Cannibal Kane
Kane's Terrorist
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:38:00 -
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Your friend lied.
Simple as that. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:41:00 -
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Your friend is lying because he does't want to admit that his own stupidity led to the loss of his pinata.
My guess is that the guy looted, your friend freaked out when he went red and shot at him. Embarassing sure, but not the worst thing that could happen in eve. But in the odd chance that your friend can' get over this fact, and decides to rage quit...
his stuff, can I has? And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:43:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Your friend is lying because he does't want to admit that his own stupidity led to the loss of his pinata.
My guess is that the guy looted, your friend freaked out when he went red and shot at him. Embarassing sure, but not the worst thing that could happen in eve. But in the odd chance that your friend can' get over this fact, and decides to rage quit...
his stuff, can I has?
My friend is one to admit when he made an idiot mistake, as am I. In fact he's lost other ships from making noob mistakes, and fully accepted it was his fault. This case, there's no apparent aggression at all. He looted nothing and never shot the guy til he was shooting him.
He's also been in the situation before and knows not to shoot the thief since it's just bait.
And no, you can't. He's not so childish to ragequit over internet spaceships. We just want to know what caused the aggression.
And I doubted him initially for a while, I do that with anyone, even my best friends. |
Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.09.08 08:25:00 -
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Did your mate accept the mission which sent him to lowsec space if so...
You mad bro?
If it was in lowsec the had every right to kill you. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.09.08 12:35:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Your friend lied.
Simple as that. Or if not he should report this
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Xanath Fireheart
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:03:00 -
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Is it possible that the other guy was just flagged for looting and not actually firing his weapons?
-á I'm a warrior... The blood won't wash away. |
GhettoChick
Risk Breakers Lizard Kings
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:06:00 -
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the other guy could have had kill rights, from a roam into lowsec if yall do any sort of pvp |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.09.08 16:02:00 -
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Firstly, this is the loss.
It's a 2 billion ISK fit, so it was either going to be lost to a ninja, or suicide ganked if it was flown in Obanen (I assume he was picking up missions from the popular mission hub that is Poinen? Bad idea)
Secondly, there's no two ways about it, your friend cocked up. He shot the guy. I assume what actually happened was he had "autolockback" on, and simply shot the wrong target on the top. It was lost to a guy from [TEARS] who know their mission runner ganking very, very well. It doesn't mean, however, they can ignore aggression mechanics.
Get your friend to find the gamelog from that day (My docs > eve > game logs) and post it here, we'll be able to show you where it went wrong. i.e. the bit where it will show him shooting first. |
Kesshisan
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Posted - 2011.09.08 16:13:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:First is this is the wrong place, feel free to tell me so.
This really would have gone over better in the Newbie Q&A forum.
The information received in Crime & Punishment will be the same, but the delivery will be...different.
*looks up* . |
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Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:22:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:
He's a really good friend that I trust
First: Trust no one. Ever.
Second: nice kill Bladewise
Would you like a kitten? |
Istyn
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:41:00 -
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I was actually listening to this kill, your friend opened fire on the worm before returning to shooting rats, then firing on the worm again; either due to a mistake with targeting or because he's daft.
In summary, he either lied to you or is amazingly bad at paying attention to anything he is doing. That should answer your questions with something other than 'lololololol' |
Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:53:00 -
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I'll bet you a cold Quake and Jack on ice that if your friend checks his log, he'll find that he fired on Blade's worm. He then got popped after my colleague swapped to his Legion. Mission Bears quite frequently screw up and shoot ninjas (pro tip: auto targeting is not your friend) so there's really no sense in looking for an exploit here. As Khanh'rhh stated, we know the aggro mechanics about as well as anyone, but we can't simply start shooting at you (unless it's a suicide gank of course) unless you "go red". Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
Dracoliche
LowProfile
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:53:00 -
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Sounds like he got what he deserved then. I drooled a little looking at that killmail. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:45:00 -
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tell him to turn autotargeting off, and to watch who he's shooting. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
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Posted - 2011.09.08 23:56:00 -
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That is a very nice KM.
Your friend shot first, that is why the innocent salvager defended himself. whether he realizes this or not is moot. he shot first. Also. damn shame that Shield Booster didn't drop. Dont mind me, -ájust touching your stuff. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:58:00 -
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The guys that killed him are 100% pro. I hate to admit it, but they are among the top 2% of Empire Combatants, they know the rules, and are expert in getting aggression. I think they got to your friend and tampered with his anus before violenceing his boat.
Props to TEARS |
whaynethepain
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2011.09.09 02:06:00 -
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I don't see the guy as a liar, that would be rude.
However, mistakes are made, miscalculations and accidents occur, your friend may have been caught in a trap that is avoidable with knowledge and wisdom. Maybe there was a fault in the game mechanics.
CCP will be able to look at the logs and help.
I think there has been an oversight personally, the aggressor defended their actions, obviously they felt the need to defend themselves. It does get tedious stalking a character for hours upon end.
My mind keeps saying "kill rights", but it says many interesting and unrelated things, late at night, when I'm all alone, the doctors call it paracusis, however that word is spelt, but I digress.
I think you need to examine all the facts, not just opinions.
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Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.09.09 05:12:00 -
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Well your friend commited the Crime and was Punished. He must realise about auto locking surely? Just go to the Esc menu and uncheck the box. When I have been a mission Ninja a few times people said they didnt even notice me when they fired, indicating that people have auto lock on and dont always check their targets.
I fail to see how he didn't notice a flashy red in his overview?
Still, mistakes are made and as always he can afford to replace what he lost right? Remebering that you dont fly what you can't afford to get blown up. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.09 05:39:00 -
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see a ninja dock, warp back and see if ninja failed and is not a wreck, if ninja wasnt that bad, dock again, wait 20 mins or so, see if ninja gives up if ninja doesnt go do something else i run to rens for lol fail market hub trading |
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Joshke
Epsilon Inc STORM.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 14:46:00 -
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Well, your friend could put any disruptor on thief or he could started web/scram on him. It will cause exactly the same aggression as he were shooting.
Ask/tell your friend to look in Eve logs - just look for the time of this fight, who and when has started making aggro. |
Bladewise
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.09.11 21:48:00 -
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Figured I'd post and confirm the fact that the guy only died because he was a complete and utter ******. No autolockback involved. Furthermore why would I lock someone? I'm just a lowly salvager remember? |
Toobindicular Guy
Killer Whale Logistics and Delivery Services
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Posted - 2011.09.12 02:34:00 -
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YO BRO! Remember this?
Darren Corley > I just want to know what he did that allowed you to aggress him, since he claims he did nothing Bladewise > LOLOL Bladewise > LOLOL Bladewise > HE WAS BORN Darren Corley > ok just be childish about it then Bladewise > UMAD? Bladewise > UR Bladewise > SILLY CAREBEARS Bladewise > LEARN AGGRO MECHANICS Bladewise > OR BURN Darren Corley > me mad? not at all Bladewise > SILLY CAREBEAR LULZ Darren Corley > eh grow up little kid Bladewise > MAD Bladewise > LOL Darren Corley > nah, he learned a lesson Darren Corley > but you're still a child Bladewise > LOL YOU WERE ABOUT TO HAD YOU TAKEN THAT SHOT Bladewise > WANT ANOTHER CHANCE? Darren Corley > I know better Bladewise > APPARENTLY NOT Darren Corley > I never shot you Darren Corley > only targetted Bladewise > LIES Bladewise > YOU WERE GONNA Bladewise > BUT YOU PUSSIED OUT Bladewise > LET YOUR BUDDY DIE Bladewise > ITS ALL UR FAULT Bladewise > U COULD'VE SAVED HIM AND DIDN'T Darren Corley > *shrug* have fun being a child Darren Corley > later
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Bladewise
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.09.12 03:58:00 -
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99.99% of the reason ninjas are so effective is because bears have corpmates like you... has nothing to do with orcas. There's over 9000 ways I could've killed him once he was aggressed simply because his corp was too scared/didn't care enough to intervene. Congrats, you watched your friend die and did nothing about it. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
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Posted - 2011.09.12 11:20:00 -
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Bladewise wrote:99.99% of the reason ninjas are so effective is because bears have corpmates like you... has nothing to do with orcas. There's over 9000 ways I could've killed him once he was aggressed simply because his corp was too scared/didn't care enough to intervene. Congrats, you watched your friend die and did nothing about it. Yes the killmails get the headlines, but 99% of the time ninjas are wasting their time and provide hours of endless fun for mission runners. Sadly, these times do not generate killmails and therefore get no attention. The history of EVE is written by the loud minority. |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.09.12 15:48:00 -
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IMO you all need to go back to WOW noobs. |
Bladewise
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.09.12 18:09:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Bladewise wrote:99.99% of the reason ninjas are so effective is because bears have corpmates like you... has nothing to do with orcas. There's over 9000 ways I could've killed him once he was aggressed simply because his corp was too scared/didn't care enough to intervene. Congrats, you watched your friend die and did nothing about it. Yes the killmails get the headlines, but 99% of the time ninjas are wasting their time and provide hours of endless fun for mission runners. Sadly, these times do not generate killmails and therefore get no attention. The history of EVE is written by the loud minority. No, the history of Eve is written by people who actually play with other players. Not to mention it takes the brainpower of a goldfish to run missions, nothing historic is ever going to come out of that.
EDIT: except for my killmails |
IbanezLaney
Dingo took my corp name
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Posted - 2011.09.13 01:59:00 -
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He shot one day too early.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7999 Can't spell crap without rap. |
Bladewise
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.09.13 20:59:00 -
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They just nerfed scanning again... doesn't seem like they want our kind in their game anymore. Oh well... they think they're getting lots of petitions now? Wait until my suicide alt gets a smartbomb battleship. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.14 08:03:00 -
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Hay Bladewise, i was thinking 'high level mechanics-understanding beats drama queens' in this thread until you showed up. You would help yourself by not talking at all. That allcaps chatlog makes you look really lame. So now the thread is 'ass annoys bears', what a yawn.
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