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Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:50:00 -
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One last comment from me unless you bring me into this again. I'm just wondering that, given how much joy you have taken from griefing others on here in the past, if you at least feel some sort of bitter amusement at placing yourself (of your own will, nonetheless) in the same position on at least two occasions?
Just saying. Can't have it both ways you know =P Unless you're into that sort of thing, I guess.
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Shadarle
LI0NS Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:29:54
Indeed I was able to turn a 2B bond into 4B but having 5B and Margin trading 4 is even better. How's that? I was short on money even then and I had to haul stuff every day. Hopefully that will change now. Or maybe not.
Ok, but that doesn't explain why you still only have 2b isk. You wanted to launch your first bond nearly 2 months ago. In that time should you not have doubled your money twice? At least from 2b into 4b then into 6b? Even if you consider paying back the 2b loan that would leave you with 4b now. Assuming you couldn't make more with 4b than you could with 2b, if you could then you should have closer to 5b now, not counting this 3b loan.
In fact, reading your original post it would seem you had turned 2b in 4.5b, you did this before you even tried to launch your past IPO (2 months ago). If this is true then why couldn't you turn your own 2.5b into 5b and then into 7.5b (at the least) in the 2 months between then and now. And if so why do you claim you still only have 2b isk (which when you add this 3b makes the 5b you just mentioned). Were you unable to make this same profit? Did you lose a lot of money somehow?
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 19:04:16
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 18:29:54
Indeed I was able to turn a 2B bond into 4B but having 5B and Margin trading 4 is even better. How's that? I was short on money even then and I had to haul stuff every day. Hopefully that will change now. Or maybe not.
Ok, but that doesn't explain why you still only have 2b isk. You wanted to launch your first bond nearly 2 months ago. In that time should you not have doubled your money twice? At least from 2b into 4b then into 6b? Even if you consider paying back the 2b loan that would leave you with 4b now. Assuming you couldn't make more with 4b than you could with 2b, if you could then you should have closer to 5b now, not counting this 3b loan.
In fact, reading your original post it would seem you had turned 2b in 4.5b, you did this before you even tried to launch your past IPO (2 months ago). If this is true then why couldn't you turn your own 2.5b into 5b and then into 7.5b (at the least) in the 2 months between then and now. And if so why do you claim you still only have 2b isk (which when you add this 3b makes the 5b you just mentioned). Were you unable to make this same profit? Did you lose a lot of money somehow?
Yes. I've petitioned it and managed to recover about 70% of the value of the ship. I'm surprised that you don't remember. What you don't know is that I haven't sold the remaining ship but chose to refit it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: LRN Yes. I've petitioned it and managed to recover about 70% of the value of the ship. I'm surprised that you don't remember. What you don't know is that I haven't sold the remaining ship but chose to refit it.
LOL. Now I remember that. Quite funny actually.
Knowing you let your friends, with crappy computers, play for you certainly gives me confidence in investing with you!
But that still doesn't really answer why you have so little money. In your initial IPO you claimed to have been playing for quite a while and to have been a trader for a while. So I still don't understand how you never made more money. It wouldn't be an issue if you didn't play up how amazingly good you are at making money and if you didn't constantly insult everyone on these forums for being idiots.
The thing is, you actually admitted you were planning to scam with your IPO. That was a big mistake considering you were thinking about re-launching. Generally telling people you were going to scam them and then asking for their money a month later is not the smartest move. It's also probably not wise to insult every member of this forum and then ask the very same people for money. I notice you are trying pretty darn hard in this particular thread to be civil, perhaps if you had tried equally hard over the last two months you'd get a lot more support. Unfortunately you've spent the last two months as the #1 troll on these forums. Every post you make is an attack on Ricdic, myself, or some other member of this community. You've added nothing but flames.
You should realize that your own actions are the basis for which you will be judged. Your own words will as well. In these two areas you are in bad shape.
I said a 10 foot pole, I should have said 100 foot. If you do not scam this time you will scam next time or the next time. This is my opinion based on your personality and the way you respond to questions. It was like pulling teeth to get a simple answer here.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 19:42:01
Hahah, that sure took you some time to write. How do you feel now? To answer you and Selene, I don't regret anything in my entire life. In fact, I've decided to play your little game all along and I was really curious to see if, in the end, you could get a hold of yourself and surpass your limitations. Yes, we do not share the same values and I might not agree with everything you posted there. Your interpretation of some of my posts might be lacking. Despite all this I hold no contempt or grudge for you nor will I take it upon myself to show you otherwise.
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EBANK Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:48:00 -
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This guy has to be General Starscream.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 19:51:26
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic This guy has to be General Starscream.
maybe not But this guy is surely Ricdic. hahah
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: LRN I don't regret anything in my entire life.
Wow, quite a claim. You sound like a politician. By that I mean, you are not telling the truth.
Originally by: LRN In fact, I've decided to play your little game all along and I was really curious to see if, in the end, you could get a hold of yourself and surpass your limitations.
What a shocker, you are saying that the vast array of reasons I've given for people to be wary of you are "limitations" on my behalf.
There is a good reason you aren't going to try to convince me otherwise, because what I've said is all true and you know you have no defense. You're just hoping to find some gullible people here willing to trust you.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 20:03:16
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: LRN I don't regret anything in my entire life.
Wow, quite a claim. You sound like a politician. By that I mean, you are not telling the truth.
Originally by: LRN In fact, I've decided to play your little game all along and I was really curious to see if, in the end, you could get a hold of yourself and surpass your limitations.
What a shocker, you are saying that the vast array of reasons I've given for people to be wary of you are "limitations" on my behalf.
There is a good reason you aren't going to try to convince me otherwise, because what I've said is all true and you know you have no defense. You're just hoping to find some gullible people here willing to trust you.
You really should try reading some Zen for a while. I promise it will change your life.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:56:00 -
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STATUS
26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: - MilowFV 2 bonds
- Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
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Samantha Watanabe
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Posted - 2008.04.06 21:41:00 -
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You still havn't reasonably answered a number of questions that have been brought up.
Allright, theres that suicide gank against you that may or may not have happened. It never showed up on the Tri board so I decided to take it at face value. As far as I know no one besides you has confirmed it. If you can get someone to independently verify that the incident happened I'll believe you.
But that still doesnt explain the concern about why you havn't been working with the isk you currently have, or why you need a 3 billion isk loan to augment that.
And what are you planning on doing to ensure that this reprocessing you propose to do in Lonetrek becomes a meaningful long term venture? As I said earlier, the tone in your previous postings, as well as the contingencies you've laid out all underscore what I believe to be you bracing for venture that may or may not in fact be profitable.
I'm still not satisfied at all, and you are doing a very good job at dodging the questions that are being tossed at you.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.06 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 06/04/2008 21:52:57
Originally by: Samantha Watanabe You still havn't reasonably answered a number of questions that have been brought up.
Allright, theres that suicide gank against you that may or may not have happened. It never showed up on the Tri board so I decided to take it at face value. As far as I know no one besides you has confirmed it. If you can get someone to independently verify that the incident happened I'll believe you.
But that still doesnt explain the concern about why you havn't been working with the isk you currently have, or why you need a 3 billion isk loan to augment that.
And what are you planning on doing to ensure that this reprocessing you propose to do in Lonetrek becomes a meaningful long term venture? As I said earlier, the tone in your previous postings, as well as the contingencies you've laid out all underscore what I believe to be you bracing for venture that may or may not in fact be profitable.
I'm still not satisfied at all, and you are doing a very good job at dodging the questions that are being tossed at you.
And you are doing a very good job at ignoring my answers and posting flame bait despite the fact that this being a secured bond I do not have to go into such details. I can afford losing you as a potential investor. Bye.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.06 22:05:00 -
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STATUS
26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed.
Reservations:
* MilowFV 2 bonds * Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
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Myrdyr
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Posted - 2008.04.07 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: LRN STATUS
26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed.
Reservations:
* MilowFV 2 bonds * Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
7% interest? More like no interest amirite?
Originally by: Shadarle Unfortunately you've spent the last two months as the #1 troll on these forums.
I don't think he qualifies as #1 troll in either volume or quality, but I might be biased in that perspective...
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Raskor
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Posted - 2008.04.07 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: LRN despite the fact that this being a secured BOND I do not have to go into such details.
In light of recent events, I think this idea that a bond seeker doesn't need to provide details is very flawed. Your ability to repay the bond and all promised interest is critical.
Especially when your offered collateral may even be worth less, at least for a quick liquidation, than the amount you are asking to borrow.
Originally by: LRN I can afford losing you as a potential investor.
Given in all this time you have found only 2 people willing to take a chance on you, I think nothing could be further from the truth.
Congratulations. You have managed to successfully poison your own offering. Again.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.07 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 05:24:23 Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 05:17:13
Yes indeed, I've already posted a link to my skills that proves I have the means to achieve what the bond offering is all about (those skills in particular the prerequisites for Scrap metal processing take a lot of time to train as I'm sure everyone knows), and I've stated that it is not the first time I'm undertaking a recycling operation, I've also answered to the question as to why I need the 3B when it would be possible to run my operation without further capital infusion, I suggest you to reread the entire thread and not to post on the spur of the moment.
Originally by: Myrdyr
I don't think he qualifies as #1 troll in either volume or quality, but I might be biased in that perspective...
Also I thought CCP were nerfing mission loot?
I understand there are those that blame me for their poor performance or pointing flaws in their logic which in their view qualifies as trolling on these forums. With all do respect to those dear people I believe their overgrown ego is preventing them from clearly perceiving the facts.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.07 05:37:00 -
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You don't deserve any form of public investment. I would put more faith in the Jita local spammers offering to give me 10x my money back.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 05:43:37
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic You don't deserve any form of public investment. I would put more faith in the Jita local spammers offering to give me 10x my money back.
But you do have faith in yourself and we've seen what your C-R-A dividends looked like, and most importantly the reasons you gave for that: "lazed off", "weren't on the ball", distracted by other projects. You clearly are in no position to judge others when you failed so miserably at your own business.
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2008.04.07 05:46:00 -
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Is YouGotRipped really a troll? Well, in his previous thread the mods sure thought he was trolling,
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
OP please do not troll your own thread
I've wasted enough time demonstrating why people shouldn't invest in him but for those of you looking for a few good laughs I suggest you eve-search him. If you can get past how obnoxious some of his trolling has been you'll actually find some very amusing tidbits like him constantly changing how much ISK he claims to have, claiming he can easily make much more ISK than he has asked for or now claims to have, making up stories about suicide ganking and, my favorite, indirectly admitting his early attempts at raising capital were part of a scam.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.07 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 06:03:56 My isk amount has changed because I've actually invested in BPOs. Amazing isn't it?
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
[...] my favorite, indirectly admitting his early attempts at raising capital were part of a scam.
You seem to be very productive at pasting truncated posts etc. Why not post the link where I allegedly admitted to my intention of scamming maybe I can clear that one out for you, cause you sure seem to have problem grasping the meaning of my post.
Like I said before, I would very much like to see the discussion focussed around the feasibility of my plan and why I wouldn't be able to provide the 7% return to my investors despite my skills and my experience in the field. Sharing your lamentations and forecasts of doom based on no evidence whatsoever and even worst resulting to "ad hominem" arguments will only prove your limitations.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: LRN But you do have faith in yourself and we've seen what your C-R-A dividends looked like, and most importantly the reasons you gave for that: "lazed off", "weren't on the ball", distracted by other projects. You clearly are in no position to judge others when you failed so miserably at your own business.
Absolutely. I am not afraid to admit my shortcomings and I done so in the aforementioned thread. You on the other hand think you are God and everything you do is peachy clean. I wonder if you are acting like this in an attempt to troll or if you really have some form of illness that stops you from seeing the obvious.
Quote: Like I said before, I would very much like to see the discussion focussed around the feasibility of my plan and why I wouldn't be able to provide the 7% return to my investors despite my skills and my experience in the field.
So would I, starting with you answering the questions put forth to you by Shadarle in this thread multiple times. You instead chose to bypass questions. You have failed to provide any operational data except your skills listings (which frankly I could show the same on 7 characters). Answer the questions, provide your API to someone so they can see that you do indeed engage in trade, and to see performance variables on your service.
Quote: Sharing your lamentations and forecasts of doom based on no evidence whatsoever and even worst resulting to "ad hominem" arguments will only prove your limitations.
Actually your failure to respond to any requests means the onus is on you to prove your legitimacy. Thus far you have failed miserable. Over here in the investment world you are guilty until proven innocent. You will need to learn and understand that sooner or later however I believe it's already too late for you. On a 500% secured loan with a 20% per month interest rate I wouldn't go near you on principle alone. You are completely unsuited to running a public operation, you have terrible PR skills and cannot even validate your claims.
Maybe the same could be said for me due to deficiencies in some of my public ventures at various points. However I am not the one asking for public capital. When I ask for it people generally provide it. That's one of the differences between you and me. I have proven I can handle public operations. You have only proven you are a loose cannon and investing in you is a mistake waiting to happen.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 06:14:12 Your first post in this thread stated that you do not have time to assist me. Could it be that your posting now is aimed at discrediting me rather than helping?
Just reread your C-R-A thread Ricdic. The answers are there.
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Silver Night
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
But you do have faith in yourself and we've seen what your C-R-A dividends looked like, and most importantly the reasons you gave for that: "lazed off", "weren't on the ball", distracted by other projects. You clearly are in no position to judge others when you failed so miserably at your own business.
Originally by: LRN
[...] you sure seem to have problem grasping the meaning of my post.
Originally by: LRN
[...] prove your limitations.
Originally by: LRN
[...] resulting (resorting?) to "ad hominem" arguments [...]
Interesting points you make there good buddy.
More pertinently, do you not think it is wise to provide more substantial securities (easily liquifiable* into more than the bond amount) given the, I think even you will agree, widespread lack of confidence in your offering?
*If it wasn't a word before, it is now.
That first quote, just by-the-by, could almost be out of a philosophy of logic textbook as an example of an ad hominem argument. I mean, read the last sentence of it for gods sakes. It might qualify for a couple of the other basic argumentative fallacies as well of course. --------------
GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:26:00 -
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"Murderer of (his own) Frigates."
No comment.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
"Murderer of (his own) Frigates."
No comment.
Wow, you counter a topic by commenting on something in a person's sig. Congratulations Mr. NextWorldPresident.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 06:35:10
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Originally by: LRN
"Murderer of (his own) Frigates."
No comment.
Wow, you counter a topic by commenting on something in a person's sig. Congratulations Mr. NextWorldPresident.
Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:44:00 -
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STATUS
26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: - MilowFV 2 bonds
- Jareck Hunter 2 bonds
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: LRN Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering.
Oh, like the questions posed by Shadarle and myself that you failed to bother answering?
GTFOOMDForums
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Shadarle
LI0NS Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: LRN Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering.
Obviously you can't as you haven't. How about you go back and answer the questions people ask instead of insulting them and dodging the questions.
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Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic GTFOOMDForums
I love you in the only way that a man can love an aussie, which means I barely tolerate you, which is still more than you deserve. =)
(I liked the acronym =P)
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