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Nomisf
FlyingFork Mining Group
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nomisf on 06/04/2008 19:55:53 Ive been looking for a moon with something half decent on it for a week now, and have spent several mil on probes. My only criteria is its in .1 to .3 but i just cant find anything. ITs starting to drive me mad.
So please, what am i doing wrong, and is there anyone out there who knows of a moon i could mine to help them with a complex reaction or some such thing. Im going mad here.
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Fluidality
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:49:00 -
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Try probing the moons that already have towers with moon miners anchored ;) |
Nomisf
FlyingFork Mining Group
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:55:00 -
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i would imagine i would quite quickly become a pile of smoking dust...
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Fluidality
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:57:00 -
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Well my point really was that all the good moons have already been taken. |
Nomisf
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:03:00 -
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I did kind of figure
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Burchov
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nomisf i would imagine i would quite quickly become a pile of smoking dust...
Not really. If you use a covert ops ship, you can decloak, launch probe and cloak again in a matter of 1 second. No POS gun locks that fast.
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Thenoran
Knights of MADD
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Posted - 2008.04.06 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Burchov
Originally by: Nomisf i would imagine i would quite quickly become a pile of smoking dust...
Not really. If you use a covert ops ship, you can decloak, launch probe and cloak again in a matter of 1 second. No POS gun locks that fast.
You'd still have to level the POS, and an active POS with guns probably has people out there that are going to defend it ------------------------
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Dark 'Shadow
Red Research and Developing Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.04.07 02:58:00 -
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Depends on what corp and what kind of pos it is, a full death star setup defending the moon would be a serious pain in the ass to take out. When I probe moons I usually probe the moons that have posses on them out of curiosity if nothing else though
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Pwett
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Posted - 2008.04.07 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
You'd still have to level the POS, and an active POS with guns probably has people out there that are going to defend it
UNLESS they anchored that pos thinking that the guns would defend it on their own. You can usually tell - if it's all guns and no hardeners, usually they don't come to reinforce it :).
If it's all hardeners and E-War... best be moving on, you'll get lovingly hotdropped. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Die Warzau
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Posted - 2008.04.21 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fluidality Well my point really was that all the good moons have already been taken.
I was actually about to post asking about this. I've only been playing a few months and was thinking of getting into prospecting, but I asked myself, "does prospecting have any point?" Is there a such thing as a moon that has not been looked at yet?
Bonus question, is there a way for moon mining to be profitable at all if you were not one of the lucky ones to find a moon with the good stuff on it? I've seen a couple reactions that look like they'd maybe make in the low 100-150M profit per month over fuel cost, but I can make that running 1-2 level 4 missions a night and don't incur the risk of having the station ganked. Yeah if I happened across a Dysprosium or Promethium moon you can make billions a month with a small tower, but do any of those moons still exist, unoccupied?
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agrajag119
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.04.21 21:05:00 -
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in short, no. Anything you can make a decent profit from moon-mining in low-sec covered, and even if it wasn't you'd need a strong backup to actually keep it. Don't mean to sound negative, POS stuff is the realm of group support though.
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Alexia Kior
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Posted - 2008.04.22 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Die Warzau
Originally by: Fluidality Well my point really was that all the good moons have already been taken.
I was actually about to post asking about this. I've only been playing a few months and was thinking of getting into prospecting, but I asked myself, "does prospecting have any point?" Is there a such thing as a moon that has not been looked at yet?
Bonus question, is there a way for moon mining to be profitable at all if you were not one of the lucky ones to find a moon with the good stuff on it? I've seen a couple reactions that look like they'd maybe make in the low 100-150M profit per month over fuel cost, but I can make that running 1-2 level 4 missions a night and don't incur the risk of having the station ganked. Yeah if I happened across a Dysprosium or Promethium moon you can make billions a month with a small tower, but do any of those moons still exist, unoccupied?
I've been scanning some moons. Even if the POS has guns on it, it's pretty easy to scan it.
Warp in, cloak, align for the moon. Select the next moon on overview, decloak, activate probe launcher, warp to then next moon the second you see the scan probe launched. Destroyers are pretty good for this, as they align rather fast and have a decent cargo bay.
But yeah, most of the good moons are taken by groups that are willing to put ships on the line to defend their property. That's the nature of EVE, in my opinion. If you want it, you need to bring more ships and pry it from their cold, dead hands.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.22 13:22:00 -
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When someone releases a moonmap. All moon probe equipment could be removed. I wish CCP made it so moons reseeded each 3 months or so. And random individually. |
Die Warzau
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:17:00 -
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Yeah that's a little frustrating. Prospecting by itself is fun the one time I tried it. Hanging out in low-sec, dodging pirates, etc. It's disappointing to know that whole aspect of the game was basically rendered useless as soon as someone took the trouble to scan everything.
And, I'd love to eventually get up to the point where I could think about prying moons from people's cold dead hands, but it's kinda a chicken and egg problem...where am I going to get the billions of ISK you need to lay siege to a valuable, well-defended moon without also owning a valuable, well-defended moon?
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.04.23 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai When someone releases a moonmap. All moon probe equipment could be removed. I wish CCP made it so moons reseeded each 3 months or so. And random individually.
Ofcourse it would be nice... but would you trust the information on it? Suppose you decide to make one. Would you report a free moon with a highgrade moon mineral to everyone or would you decide to buy a tower and put one up there yourself?
Who would do all this effort so others could get the benefit from it?
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.23 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Originally by: Shintai When someone releases a moonmap. All moon probe equipment could be removed. I wish CCP made it so moons reseeded each 3 months or so. And random individually.
Ofcourse it would be nice... but would you trust the information on it? Suppose you decide to make one. Would you report a free moon with a highgrade moon mineral to everyone or would you decide to buy a tower and put one up there yourself?
Who would do all this effort so others could get the benefit from it?
There is about 0 highgrade moons left. And everyone that can take them knows all the highgrade moons already. |
Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.23 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 23/04/2008 12:49:00
Originally by: Sintai When someone releases a moonmap. All moon probe equipment could be removed. I wish CCP made it so moons reseeded each 3 months or so. And random individually.
You don't realise how much the price of t2 items would rise if this occurred.
Moons exist that make money, you just need to push people off them or blackmail them, welcome to eve.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Indigo Johnson Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 23/04/2008 12:49:00
Originally by: Sintai When someone releases a moonmap. All moon probe equipment could be removed. I wish CCP made it so moons reseeded each 3 months or so. And random individually.
You don't realise how much the price of t2 items would rise if this occurred.
Moons exist that make money, you just need to push people off them or blackmail them, welcome to eve.
Or drop..chartels could break and you could change seeding arcodring to demands. High dys price? Add 2x more dys moons for a while. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
KHEN
IGNITION.
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Posted - 2008.04.23 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai High dys price? Add 2x more dys moons for a while.
More Dys -> Cheaper Fermionic and Ferrogel -> More T2 components will be built -> bigger overstock of T2 comps -> Price for T2 comps crushing -> build cost of T2 ships dropping -> Massive amount of T2 ships to be built -> overstock of T2 ships -> price crunch
Increasing the supply for Dys solves some problem for the short while until prices adapt, but after the overproduction of T2 ships will ruin thousands of the weakests inventors, unable to sell their products or selling at a loss
Increasing vastly the build time for T2 comps (x5) would reduce the demand for Dys and Prom (this been done once in the past, and the prices of raws dropped fast)
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Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.24 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 24/04/2008 00:02:49
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Indigo Johnson Edited by: Indigo Johnson on 23/04/2008 12:49:00
Originally by: Sintai When someone releases a moonmap. All moon probe equipment could be removed. I wish CCP made it so moons reseeded each 3 months or so. And random individually.
You don't realise how much the price of t2 items would rise if this occurred.
Moons exist that make money, you just need to push people off them or blackmail them, welcome to eve.
Or drop..chartels could break and you could change seeding arcodring to demands. High dys price? Add 2x more dys moons for a while.
Prices would not drop if the moons randomly changed every 3 months. You have little idea how much effort it can take to scan and set up towers accordingly, every 3months and before (when people stockpile) you will have a delayed spike in the market price of a certain moon mineral.
Just quit your whining, make some frieds, scan some moons (deadend low sec space can be surprisingly...er, fertile) and kick some people off some moons, simple as
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agrajag119
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.04.24 00:55:00 -
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Dys is already being stockpiled, to keep the price high.
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.04.24 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: agrajag119 Dys is already being stockpiled, to keep the price high.
Yeah, we store it all in our black helicopters. It would take an amazing amount of trust and coordination to pull off something like that, and plenty of Dys is being bought and sold every day in the hubs. If people are stockpiling, they're tying up their ISK for little purpose.
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Isabella Inari
Caldari Silence of the LAMBS
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Posted - 2008.04.24 01:33:00 -
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Ideas of 'random seeding' or 'making moons available in 0.4' usually comes from those who want to make money without using effort, it just doesn't happen most of the time.
Anything of value will need to be fought for, and that involves planning and organisation, not wishful thinking. If you want a high value moon, then you'll need to take the following broad steps:
1) Initiate. Identify the location of moon and the resources it offers. That can be via way of scanning or acquiring the information through other means, such as buying the information. Basically, this is your data gathering stage.
2) Planning. Take into account defences, response and ramifications compared to resources available. Will you be able to overcome the defences? How long will it take before local gets flooded with hostiles? Even if you take it down, will you be able to stop the counterattack? How many pilots will I need to take it down? Do I need to hire help? Maybe I can reach an agreement where if they help me take it down, we can split the income. Like someone mentioned in this thread, it's not a one man job.
Try not to aim beyond your means. We'd all love to take the goldmine Dysprosium moon, but assaulting a Domination Deathstar with a single dread which you pawned all your real life jewellery to buy GTCs to fund the attack will probably end in disaster for you. And provide laughs for everyone else.
3) Execution. Once you've got the plans and prep work done, then act upon them. This phase is actually much shorter compared to the planning. I find that the poorer your prep work, the more you will need to depend on luck, and vice versa. Hopefully at the end of it, the moon will be yours! It was a long, but satisfying road. Sit back and enjoy the spoils, that is until someone else decides to wrest the moon from you...
Hope this bit of advice helps.
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