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Reptzo
Master Miners
Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Reptzo on 09/04/2008 00:31:16
 Originally by: Blazde
Any chance of someone expanding on this, I simply doesn't understand the (implied) economic argument behind it:
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Supply and demand dictates that it would be very difficult for an individual to gather tens of billions of ISK with the secure system and thus game balance will not be upset. Corporations, or even Alliances, should not be able to fuel their wars and other activities like they have done in a number of cases with ISK bought for real world money.
In other words, $5000 will buy and outfit a titan (via buying isk from websites). Some people really have this kind of cash to throw around on a game. That same amount of dollars will buy you significantly less via GTC (less than half the isk amount due to recent GTC value crash). The other problem being that you cant just buy 1000 GTCs and sell them instantly. There has to be people wanting to buy them, and it will take quite a while. So yes it can still be done, and yes there are plenty of people with the real life means to buy 1000 GTCs. It is simply a lot harder for them to turn real $$$ into game money via GTC, as apposed to buying it from farmers.
And, the buying of GTCs has a similar but different effect on the economy, it still enables those with real cash, but increases subscriptions. And there are many good threads about the effects and differences so I'm not going to delve into that argument.
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Reptzo
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.04.10 13:53:00 -
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Personally, i feel that the arguments against RMT go hand in hand with multiple accounts. Since multiple accounts is essentially a form of RMT. You can afford to pay more, so you get more advantage, by being able to constantly have a wingman or 2 or 3.
That being said, I think the GTC system is the best way to combat RMT. And I see nothing wrong with having multiple accounts.
I am just saying that RMT and multiple accounts essentially do the same thing, they enable players with more cash to be "better". So you can't really argue against one without arguing against the other.
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Reptzo
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.04.10 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Stickletodd
Being kind of new to Eve, I am not at all sure how the GTC thing works. How do I buy GTC to sell? Do I have to have a web site? If I have to set up an external business to sell GTCs to make money, then the expense of playing the game goes way up. Where is the market for selling GTCs?
Go here http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=544711 and all will be answered for you.
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Reptzo
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.04.14 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: GameNotzi
"If you need ISK, then please use the Secure ETC Trading System. This system is completely secure and risk free and the ISK you get this way is yours to keep, while we will mercilessly remove ISK bought for real money from ISK sellers, and we remove tens of billions of illegally purchased ISK every day."
This statement is false. The ETC trading system is not secure what so ever. CCP holds you liable for the actions of the people you trade the time too using their system. Without naming names person 'A' purchased a time card through this ETC system and Shateredcrystal. Person 'A' rcvd 360 mil isk and followed the rules exactly.Everything went perfectly-or so we thought. After completing the transaction person 'B' took his new timecard and sold it for real money to another player- person 'B' was caught red handed. Person 'B' got off with a warning and lost his timecard which didnt cost him anything but data on a stupid hardrive in Iceland. Person 'A' was punished more severely when ccp removed the isk from his account. Person 'A' is out real world money and has nothing to show for it. Who wins in the scenario? CCP. Person 'A' went through the proper channels and pleaded with CCP to be compensated somehow. Person 'A' also demanded person 'B' be banned for abusing the ETC system. Here is GM Krymus's response
"I wish we did not have to take these actions, but we prefer to remove the isk, rather than banning the account as we are aware that many simply do not read the rules"
" It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money. As such, we are forced to remove the ISK from those who received it, as this is a violation of the EVE Online EULA"
I dont have a problem with ccp removing the isk from the game. I do however, have a problem with CCP profiting from the sale of the timecard and not giving anything to anyone. Person A followed the rules and was punished more severely than person 'b', who was clearly the guilty party according to the GM. CCP should either provide a timecard,ISK in question, or at least a partial refund to Person 'A' money minus shatteredcrystal's cut.
For those of you like me considering using the ETC system keep this in mind.You might get absolutely nothing for your money if someone you dont even know breaks the rules after the transaction. Whether we follow the rules or break them we are all at the mercy of CCP and the whims of the GMs.
GameNotzi
This seems rather impossible. When you sell a GTC through the secure system, the person buying doesn't get the code. They get an offer on their account. So it is impossible to re-sell. It sounds like your friend was selling the code, but not through the secure system, which is recently against the EULA. Although, depending how long ago your friend sold the GTC, it may not have been against the rules at that time. Either way, not cool that he went legit and still got burned.
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