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marmitta
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Posted - 2008.04.15 19:31:00 -
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allowing goons to pop people trying to make a meger living mining is BAD! The chinease macros will never be stopped, imagine if all those (jlkgerty) accounts were banned the number of players in eve would be cut in half aswell as CCP's bottom line in monthly income.. also the chinease macros are the only ones that pay a decent price for the GTC's so they can keep all there accounts named jlkgerty running. CCP needs to stop all the macros and the goons so peeps can carve out a living mining. making 50M a day mining then at the end of the day loosing your 200M mining ship.. its impossible for a new player to survive in this game with the current crap going on..
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Molpadia Devaux
Minmatar
Science Technoligies
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:27:00 -
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 Originally by: marmitta
allowing goons to pop people trying to make a meger living mining is BAD! The chinease macros will never be stopped, imagine if all those (jlkgerty) accounts were banned the number of players in eve would be cut in half aswell as CCP's bottom line in monthly income.. also the chinease macros are the only ones that pay a decent price for the GTC's so they can keep all there accounts named jlkgerty running. CCP needs to stop all the macros and the goons so peeps can carve out a living mining. making 50M a day mining then at the end of the day loosing your 200M mining ship.. its impossible for a new player to survive in this game with the current crap going on..
I've been playing MMO's since Dec '99. My experience with PvP servers was that they were dedicated to gankers, and that playstyle. I never had one person of the same level as me (or within 1 level) attack me. It was always someone many levels above me. The population seemed made up of flywing pullers and puppy kickers, not anyone interested in anykind of a challenge in PvP. The alternatives were get hooked up with a guild that could twink you, or RMT. I oppose RMT, so I played PVE. and had fun in many games, the RMT question never crossed my mind.
Then I decided to give EVE a try, wasn't sure I would like a space based game. (Star Wars NGE victim) Let me tell you of my first weeks experience.
For 30 days you join the rookie help channel. Unless an ISD is on you get spam, spam, spam every 15 min selling ISK. Block this guy, block that guy, if you ask a question you can't see an answer as the spam scrolls it off faster than you can scroll up.
CCP is not helping the real newb by allowing this to go on, and at some point you get the idea that this may be endorsed.
Now go out mining in you newb ship. In 1.0 sec, newb starting area you pass several wrecks of newb ships. Get to the asteroid belt mine and return, refine you ore and sell it for a whopping 10K ISK. Repeat and train skills to save enough to get a frigate capable of lvl 1 missions. Do 3 or 4 missions get 20K-40K per mission.
Check the boards learn about can baiting (hidden chest), can flipping, suicide gankers.
Check market for better ship and skills, go to EveMon and set a plan to train for a good ship, see that that will cost you 300M isk, without the ship.
Compare that with the 40K your getting per mission.( you don't know yet about salvaging, every time you ask the question in rookie help any answer is scrolled off by spamers, and you don't know that in a week you will be making 500k to 1M for a mission.
You haven't seen or heard about anything being done to suicide gankers or can baiters and you figure it can take you 3 or 4 years to get a destroyer. Buying ISK begins to look like the only alernative. Nowhere have you heard about GTC.
If you make the mistake, CCP will come down on you like a ton of bricks.
After 30 days, I know that I can make enough and have no need to buy ISK. Seeing new players ganked and no knowledge that you will make more than 30K per mission makes ISK buying look good.
The policies as currently enforced could drive new players away. I'm all for coming down hard on accounts more than 30 or 60 days old, people who should by now know how to make money. I would suggest a different form of punishment for new accounts. If you screw up and buy ISK the first week you are playing, because you think that is the only way people afford those 4.5M skill books, and you log in to find yourself Millions in debt, and no way to work it off. You are left either deleting the character, or canceling the subscription. Is CCP so flush with money from subscriptions that they can afford to drive the uninformed away?
I almost got caught in this trap, but worked it out because I had just started a second account. If not for that I would have quit. I've been against RMT for years, something is needed from CCP to educate the total newb better.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.16 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Anatal Klep
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Besides, what are they going to do about it? Appeal to a court and admit to breaking a EULA and enabling credit card fraud? Go to some other game? There's no other game like EVE out there to go to.
Actually CCP could be taken to court. Banning ISK buyers is a blatant ploy to increase GTC revenues. As such it is a clear violation of US antitrust laws. CCP should talk to the officers of Neteller about whether having an offshore HQ is a safe haven. [Neteller's HQ is the Isle of Mann but they still ended up under arrest in NY. And Neteller has a lot more lawyers than CCP.]
Banning ISK buyers is CCP's prerogative. But if they do, then selling GTCs is illegal in the US.
Ermmm... BS.
EVE, ISK, and all game materials are CCP's intellectual property. CCP holds exclusive rights to regulate everyone's use of these materials. CCP can take any legal measure to prevent other parties from profiting from their property. CCP can also make whatever agreements they like to license the use of their property in both commercial and non-commercial ways.
Time Codes are simply a way to sell subscription time.
CCP has chosen to allow subscribers to trade Time Codes for ISK, as a way to combat third parties using CCP's intellectual property for profit without appropriate license from CCP. CCP chose to create a method of trading ISK for Time Codes that eliminates scams when used, for the benefit of their customers.
When it comes to RMT, CCP can ignore it, or work to stop it. If CCP did nothing you would complain about spammers, farmers, and a runaway economic implosion.
P.S. Neteller was violating US laws, and their corporate officers were arrested in US territory. |
Hokage Jiraiya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.17 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hokage Jiraiya on 17/04/2008 12:13:28
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Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar
Spectral Wolves
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.04.17 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Oghma Grianainech on 17/04/2008 12:14:39
Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Macro-mission runners is exactly what I mean. Sorry for the mix-up :)
Intresting. You can run missions with macros? Hmm..
Just sit in evati or auner for like 1hour... makes you wonder what 50 to 100 t1 haulers with 3x cargoexpanders IIs jumping in and out nonstop with random dictionary names ...... but they don't exist ... according to CCP or so it would seem since nothing has been done for about a year.
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Hokage Jiraiya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.17 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hokage Jiraiya on 17/04/2008 12:36:57
Originally by: Thathys
Jeesus am i tired of this discussion... Arrgh!!
Stop all Isk trading!! Or allow 1x30 day ETC for 30 days!
Some say it's good to be able to pay for game time with Isk,sure it's great.
So limit it to game time and not Isk stacking!!
If all players bought their game time with Isk,what would CCP earn then!!??
0:-
Or am i wrong?
ONLY WAY TO MAKE THE ISK PROBLEM GO AWAY,IS TO HAVE 100% HAPPY CUSTOMERS!!
Thats what we are,so put some effort into customer service and people will be loyal.
or maby i'm wrong.....
Actually that is the only problem with CCP, they want to do things their own way and keep forgetting that life is about PR and politics. Anyone can get away with anything if they smile and pretend to treat people decently, instead CCP has the PR knowleadge and knowhow of a 2year kid that screams MY CANDY MY CANDY MYCANDY !
Remember the game and the company may be CCP and it may just be their right to do whatever they wish with their product, however it is a product that needs to be sold and accepted by the public.
NO PR NO sales.
Bottomline is yes there may be a huge increase in "subscriptions" in the last 2years but how many of those are actually paying customers and not ISK for GTC buyers and how many are not employee accounts. ( AFAIK GM/DEV/employees have 4 or 5 free accounts ) so all in all it adds up. Google ftw.
In stead of giving every employee in China some fancy toys for Xmas or New year whatever it was, maybe employing a professional PR manager/director/grunt would have been better waste of monies. Google ftw.
In the end, the problem is CCP tries to push around what they want into the consumers throat without using any sugar :( ..... remember Mary Poppins ! A little bit of Sugar makes the medicine go down !
All in all it is a great game.... just needs some proper sweet loving brainwashing not so truthful truths told by a full time politburo scumbag men in black suit and sunglasses.
PS. Everytime I write a post like this, I keep expecting that I will not be able to login. I love the game so don't ban me for speaking my mind ! pretty please. Anyway I bet maybe 3% of the community ever reads the forums.
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Hokage Jiraiya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.17 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl
Originally by: Anatal Klep
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Besides, what are they going to do about it? Appeal to a court and admit to breaking a EULA and enabling credit card fraud? Go to some other game? There's no other game like EVE out there to go to.
Actually CCP could be taken to court. Banning ISK buyers is a blatant ploy to increase GTC revenues. As such it is a clear violation of US antitrust laws. CCP should talk to the officers of Neteller about whether having an offshore HQ is a safe haven. [Neteller's HQ is the Isle of Mann but they still ended up under arrest in NY. And Neteller has a lot more lawyers than CCP.]
Banning ISK buyers is CCP's prerogative. But if they do, then selling GTCs is illegal in the US.
Ermmm... BS.
EVE, ISK, and all game materials are CCP's intellectual property. CCP holds exclusive rights to regulate everyone's use of these materials. CCP can take any legal measure to prevent other parties from profiting from their property. CCP can also make whatever agreements they like to license the use of their property in both commercial and non-commercial ways.
Time Codes are simply a way to sell subscription time.
CCP has chosen to allow subscribers to trade Time Codes for ISK, as a way to combat third parties using CCP's intellectual property for profit without appropriate license from CCP. CCP chose to create a method of trading ISK for Time Codes that eliminates scams when used, for the benefit of their customers.
When it comes to RMT, CCP can ignore it, or work to stop it. If CCP did nothing you would complain about spammers, farmers, and a runaway economic implosion.
P.S. Neteller was violating US laws, and their corporate officers were arrested in US territory.
Note: Yes they could be brought to court regardless if it is their product, cause the matter in question here is increasing sells through manipulation of the market therefore there is a valid case which falls under antitrust laws in US. :( But that would wreck EVE and CCP and leave us with nothing @!!!!
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rock ratt
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Posted - 2008.04.18 00:50:00 -
[218]
the only bad thing is when a gm removes isk without explaining as to why and when i petition, they will not say and then a senior gm ( nova) gets it, he insists that the first GM GAVE me isk, so he takes it too, then when i sell everything except the basics to cover all this, and transfer it from one account i own to the effected on, the same gm removes it saying it was from a criminal, even though it was taged. now this same gm is still insisting i explain why i got isk from a gm who i sent id and name of gm, stating it was removed not given, has been rude and demanding i explain this and " don't try to give excuses, i want an explaination" . i even called Iceland to be told to take it to a gm in game. they refer to some log that i dont have, and saying an alt has gotten isk from a know criminal but will not say what alt as i have 3 accounts and all slots full. So tellme this is being handeled correctly, i agree isk sellers are bad, but because i sell my frieghter and BS to give my oldest char the isk to get into green agian, then they remove it too? where does it end? when no one can sell or trade in fear of the gm's taking it away?
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Thorbjorn Brundtland
PezCo - Ice Services
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:51:00 -
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I¦ve heard that using the contract system instead of direct trades can solve alot of problem in this manner cause they¦re more traceable compared to the direct trades.
Furthermore I try to avoid trading with 1 day old noob-alts.
I also made that in my early days to safe my mains identity but who cares  
I¦m not pirating and so I don¦t have to worry about my reputation  |
Kastari
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:31:00 -
[220]
Also, regarding the thing about people stealing your credit card info. If you buy through paypal, that statement is pure nonsense.
CCP etc trading system is merely a way for ccp to monopolize rmt trading for their ISK which is ONLY generated inside the server. It isn't brought into the game. It's already there.
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Anatal Klep
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Posted - 2008.04.18 15:06:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Hokage Jiraiya
Originally by: Anatal Klep
Actually CCP could be taken to court. Banning ISK buyers is a blatant ploy to increase GTC revenues. As such it is a clear violation of US antitrust laws. CCP should talk to the officers of Neteller about whether having an offshore HQ is a safe haven. [Neteller's HQ is the Isle of Mann but they still ended up under arrest in NY. And Neteller has a lot more lawyers than CCP.
Banning ISK buyers is CCP's prerogative. But if they do, then selling GTCs is illegal in the US.
Ermmm... BS.
EVE, ISK, and all game materials are CCP's intellectual property. CCP holds exclusive rights to regulate everyone's use of these materials. CCP can take any legal measure to prevent other parties from profiting from their property. CCP can also make whatever agreements they like to license the use of their property in both commercial and non-commercial ways.
Intellectual property has nothing to do with it. CCP is limiting competition for RMT sales by placing strictures on the existing player base to protect their GTC revenues. In terms of US law that is a combination in restraint of trade because it is artificially preventing participation in the RMT market by competitors to CCP.
One would be hard put to find a clearer case of violation of the US anti-trust laws.
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Anatal Klep
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Posted - 2008.04.18 15:21:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Lab Technician071548
In an effort to assist CCP in finding ISK sellers and macro players, I offer the following tip in the form of a question (Jeopardy, anyone?):
"How many people with legitimate game play in mind name their characters 'klajsdhgft?'"
Or, put another way in the form of a statement: "There exist heurisms for identifying unlikely letter combinations and characters with, say, 2 or more unlikely combinations or all numbers in their name should be targetted for EULA violation auditing."
Unfortunately that is not sufficient. It would be fairly easy to automatically generate "realistic" names from SciFi, mythology, or whatever.
However, when used in conjunction with heuristics on key words in the message body, frequency of posting, etc. it would be a very effective means for reducing spamming. I am puzzled why CCP has not done this already since everyone who can spell 'google' can find ISK sellers anyway and it clearly affects EVE playability.
Similar heuristics could be applied to cash cows like macromining. It would require more complicated analysis over a period of time to identify specific cash cow abuse, but it is still not a big deal. Unlike spammers, such accounts need substantial SP investment, so such heuristics would be very effective because of the loss to the account holder even if they take more time.
Bottom line: CCP could curtail both RMT spamming and cash cows a lot more effectively than by trying to convince players not to buy ISK with specious arguments.
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Tieto
Caldari
SweetPro
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Posted - 2008.04.19 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tieto on 19/04/2008 11:52:59
Do what LOTRO did. Ban all China IPs..... :P
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UnexpectedGreg
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:37:00 -
[224]
I know...why not intruduce a password box just as you enter a mission area, for example.... You get to the jump gate of a mission then once you click on jump...a box appears asking you to type out the following password. Doesn't have to be a long password just somthing to force the player to actually be there. You can take the same idea on complexes. Meh...It's just a thought. This might prevent macro farming for ISK on many levels?
Thanks,
UnexpectedGreg
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Qubit Infinity
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Posted - 2008.04.23 06:11:00 -
[225]
A NEW WAY OF MINING
So far as I can tell the most common method of generationg the ISK to sell for real money is macro mining.
CCP instead of being reactive and trying to catch people doing real money trading why not be proactive?
Many of the rmt are criminals and CCP is always going to be one step behind in stopping them.
My idea would be to fix mining. What I mean is: mining is so spectacularly boring and mechanically repetitive that
it is an ideal target for macros.
If mining was made into the game that it should be, requiring real time input from the player much like missions do, it would be much more difficult to macro mine and vastly less profitable. It would also mean that more players would be drawn to mining as an exciting career.
I beleive that macro mining is so entrenched in the eve economy, that wiping it out entirely would present serious problems for the eve economy.
However an new way of mining could be statistical in nature, so that unintelligent macros get a lower yield than, skilled players. This skewing could be introduced slowly, so that the economy could adapt of a period of time.
In short make mining fun and dificult to macro, and most of the rmt would go away in time.
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Vincent Santoro
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:03:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Qubit Infinity
A NEW WAY OF MINING
So far as I can tell the most common method of generationg the ISK to sell for real money is macro mining.
CCP instead of being reactive and trying to catch people doing real money trading why not be proactive?
Many of the rmt are criminals and CCP is always going to be one step behind in stopping them.
My idea would be to fix mining. What I mean is: mining is so spectacularly boring and mechanically repetitive that
it is an ideal target for macros.
If mining was made into the game that it should be, requiring real time input from the player much like missions do, it would be much more difficult to macro mine and vastly less profitable. It would also mean that more players would be drawn to mining as an exciting career.
I beleive that macro mining is so entrenched in the eve economy, that wiping it out entirely would present serious problems for the eve economy.
However an new way of mining could be statistical in nature, so that unintelligent macros get a lower yield than, skilled players. This skewing could be introduced slowly, so that the economy could adapt of a period of time.
In short make mining fun and dificult to macro, and most of the rmt would go away in time.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.26 02:59:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Anatal Klep
Originally by: Hokage Jiraiya
Originally by: Anatal Klep
Actually CCP could be taken to court. Banning ISK buyers is a blatant ploy to increase GTC revenues. As such it is a clear violation of US antitrust laws. CCP should talk to the officers of Neteller about whether having an offshore HQ is a safe haven. [Neteller's HQ is the Isle of Mann but they still ended up under arrest in NY. And Neteller has a lot more lawyers than CCP.
Banning ISK buyers is CCP's prerogative. But if they do, then selling GTCs is illegal in the US.
Ermmm... BS.
EVE, ISK, and all game materials are CCP's intellectual property. CCP holds exclusive rights to regulate everyone's use of these materials. CCP can take any legal measure to prevent other parties from profiting from their property. CCP can also make whatever agreements they like to license the use of their property in both commercial and non-commercial ways.
Intellectual property has nothing to do with it. CCP is limiting competition for RMT sales by placing strictures on the existing player base to protect their GTC revenues. In terms of US law that is a combination in restraint of trade because it is artificially preventing participation in the RMT market by competitors to CCP.
One would be hard put to find a clearer case of violation of the US anti-trust laws.
HAHAH GO MAN KICK 'EM WHERE IT HURTS...
It does suck that people go on e-bay and get ISK, without earning it ingame, but it can be that people just like the pvp side of EVE, and possibly don;t have time to actually make some ISK to enjoy the full PvP they got the skills for.
TBH, I don't support the ISK buyers, but it's their thing, I know I won't be doing that, I make just enough to have some fun pew-pew from time to time...for me eve is all about hanging out with people u get to know and start to see as friends, not as a job(liek macro runners)...u should really be stopping those, as they are the ones most likely doing the trading anyway...
BTW, is CCP actually supposed to comply with U.S. laws? It is a Icelandic company, right?
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.26 03:01:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Vincent Santoro
Originally by: Qubit Infinity
A NEW WAY OF MINING
So far as I can tell the most common method of generationg the ISK to sell for real money is macro mining.
CCP instead of being reactive and trying to catch people doing real money trading why not be proactive?
Many of the rmt are criminals and CCP is always going to be one step behind in stopping them.
My idea would be to fix mining. What I mean is: mining is so spectacularly boring and mechanically repetitive that
it is an ideal target for macros.
If mining was made into the game that it should be, requiring real time input from the player much like missions do, it would be much more difficult to macro mine and vastly less profitable. It would also mean that more players would be drawn to mining as an exciting career.
I beleive that macro mining is so entrenched in the eve economy, that wiping it out entirely would present serious problems for the eve economy.
However an new way of mining could be statistical in nature, so that unintelligent macros get a lower yield than, skilled players. This skewing could be introduced slowly, so that the economy could adapt of a period of time.
In short make mining fun and dificult to macro, and most of the rmt would go away in time.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
AMEN
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Cigano
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Posted - 2008.04.26 10:48:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Cigano on 26/04/2008 10:50:23
I think that all this question is about playing time, the game is very time consuming to get isk for the average and new players, if you lose CNR T2 fitted or a freighter full of cargo it will set you back big time, and CCP should make a way to revise this. An idea was to bill the accounts for the time played in addition to a max time for day to play (let say 12H) if one play more he must pay for it, just like a phone bill. That will give something for macro farmers to think about, they will need to pay more to be online or they don't have so much time to strip out belts.
And how about purchasing items out of game for RM is that considered isk buying to?...
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Chigun
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:02:00 -
[230]
Sounds like the major problem with RMT is that you might get your credit card number and login info stolen. Why doesn't any MMO provider solve the problem of illegal RMTs by having their own RMT system. If CCP sold ISK and items they could set the price, protect the users from theft, make some extra money to throw at the lag problem, and partially control the market. |
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Exa Istari
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:20:00 -
[231]
I would like to propose a different solution to empire macro mining...
Make mining in 0.0 MORE profitable. I did a recent survey of some regions in 0.0 and most of the systems only have ORE that can be mined in empire. Most of the rare systems that have the 0.0 high ends are tightly controlled by large alliance that don't like little corps playing in their sandbox.
Think of the implication to this... if 1/4 of the 0.0 systems in Eve had Mercoxit and nearly all of them had Dark Ochre or Gneiss, macro mining would become less profitable and all the things that are good about eve would be enhanced. More people would come to 0.0, pirates would have more targets, corp and smaller alliance would be able to make a profit from doing work in 1 or 2 systems...
My 2 isk.
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Gromash
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Posted - 2008.04.29 23:38:00 -
[232]
I would like to say that i do not at all support illegal activity, macro-mining, macro-mission running nor have I sold isk for real world money but I do believe that honest players should be able to sell isk for money rather then solely handing money over to EVE dev through GTC's. It's just like the EVE dev team to clump macro-miners, macro-mission runners, and criminals together as the sole type of people who would want to sell isk for real money.
The dev team doesn't mind that people get ahead by using real money but they do mind when it is not through GTC's that cost a little more and add to their profits.
In sort the dev team is greedy and propaganda doesn't work on me for one.
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Gromash
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Posted - 2008.04.29 23:49:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Qubit Infinity
A NEW WAY OF MINING
So far as I can tell the most common method of generationg the ISK to sell for real money is macro mining.
CCP instead of being reactive and trying to catch people doing real money trading why not be proactive?
Many of the rmt are criminals and CCP is always going to be one step behind in stopping them.
My idea would be to fix mining. What I mean is: mining is so spectacularly boring and mechanically repetitive that
it is an ideal target for macros.
If mining was made into the game that it should be, requiring real time input from the player much like missions do, it would be much more difficult to macro mine and vastly less profitable. It would also mean that more players would be drawn to mining as an exciting career.
I beleive that macro mining is so entrenched in the eve economy, that wiping it out entirely would present serious problems for the eve economy.
However an new way of mining could be statistical in nature, so that unintelligent macros get a lower yield than, skilled players. This skewing could be introduced slowly, so that the economy could adapt of a period of time.
In short make mining fun and dificult to macro, and most of the rmt would go away in time.
GREAT IDEA!!!!
When i started out I EVE mined until I realized how deeply boring and the mere pennies people get from it.
The really sad part is how fundamental mining is to EVE and the EVE team made it such a chore.
With less macro-mining prices should get better and removing any boredom from it is a godsend.
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EveBookie
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Posted - 2008.04.30 01:35:00 -
[234]
This entire topic presents another problem that I am going through at the moment. I log in and am missing 1 billion isk with an evemail saying I bought it. The problem is that I have not only NEVER bought anything for real money, but the only ISK transfers to my account during the last 9 months are from my own account to my own account. Yet, the GM's in their infinite wisdom refuse to do the research they say they will do to get it figured out and I am now getting form replies to petitions. I cant believe that a company the size of CCP cant come up with some way of having decent customer service. You would think that after having made such a huge statement about it they would be a bit more careful about being sure they are punishing those that are guilty and not those that arent.
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GEFFI
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:02:00 -
[235]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Our very own Customer Service team has written a blog to inform you all about the Secure ETC Trading System and why it should be used. They+re also informing you of some things you might not have been aware of when it comes to Real Money Trading (RMT) like the fact the people you buy from will steal your credit card information if they get the chance, and ISK sellers are also behind macro mining and other things none of us wish to see in EVE. Pleas read Real Money Trading is bad, mkay? to get the full story!
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Zian Tzu
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Posted - 2008.04.30 12:36:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Exa Istari
I would like to propose a different solution to empire macro mining...
Make mining in 0.0 MORE profitable. I did a recent survey of some regions in 0.0 and most of the systems only have ORE that can be mined in empire. Most of the rare systems that have the 0.0 high ends are tightly controlled by large alliance that don't like little corps playing in their sandbox.
Think of the implication to this... if 1/4 of the 0.0 systems in Eve had Mercoxit and nearly all of them had Dark Ochre or Gneiss, macro mining would become less profitable and all the things that are good about eve would be enhanced. More people would come to 0.0, pirates would have more targets, corp and smaller alliance would be able to make a profit from doing work in 1 or 2 systems...
My 2 isk.
I agree. That makes 4 isk.
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Lazare Sauvageot
Carnifex Requiem
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Posted - 2008.05.01 17:56:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Anatal Klep
Intellectual property has nothing to do with it.
Actually, even your own examples/case is completely dependent on IP law, since everything in-game is CCP's IP. Read the legally bindingcontract link that comes up every time you log into the game.
Originally by: Anatal Klep
CCP is limiting competition for RMT sales by placing strictures on the existing player base to protect their GTC revenues. In terms of US law that is a combination in restraint of trade because it is artificially preventing participation in the RMT market by competitors to CCP.
In terms of US law, they are maintaining control of the distribution of their own intellectual property. All ISK in-game is CCP's to do with what they will--it doesn't belong to you, it doesn't belong to the companies selling it for hard cash.
Off the top of my head, an equivalent concept would be a publisher suing an author for not allowing them to print the author's books.
Originally by: Anatal Klep
One would be hard put to find a clearer case of violation of the US anti-trust laws.
I'm afraid not. US anti-trust protects competitors in an open marketplace from monopolies abusing their position in said marketplace. ISK trading for actual money is not an open marketplace--once again, it is the sole property of CCP, and as such, they are the only person (corporate or otherwise) who can give anyone permission to buy or sell it.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: EveBookie
This entire topic presents another problem that I am going through at the moment. I log in and am missing 1 billion isk with an evemail saying I bought it. The problem is that I have not only NEVER bought anything for real money, but the only ISK transfers to my account during the last 9 months are from my own account to my own account. Yet, the GM's in their infinite wisdom refuse to do the research they say they will do to get it figured out and I am now getting form replies to petitions. I cant believe that a company the size of CCP cant come up with some way of having decent customer service. You would think that after having made such a huge statement about it they would be a bit more careful about being sure they are punishing those that are guilty and not those that arent.
Please get this sorted Wrangler or Grimmi...
Escalte the petiton - as is this monies going to a bought account - the person that sold it may have bought isk - the GM's have been know to make mistakes - then post back here with the conclusion
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Delicious Thighs
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Posted - 2008.05.06 00:00:00 -
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Actually, I think by saying you can buy ISK but only from us (CCP GTC) is racketeering, no?
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Posted - 2008.05.06 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Delicious Thighs
Actually, I think by saying you can buy ISK but only from us (CCP GTC) is racketeering, no?
How do you figure? CCP isn't selling in-game monies for cash (though I know some games that do this). You're buying a GTC from another player that paid for it. CCP is merely facilitating the process to make it as secure as possible, and not charging any extra fees to do so (prev. see SOE's Station Exchange, now part of livegamer.com). This has been going on as long as I have been playing MMOs and MUDs for over 15 years now.
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