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Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
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Posted - 2012.02.27 11:38:00 -
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Apart from the fact that there's nothing Micro about CCP's idea of MT, this is a simple question to gauge how many people are for or against MT in a game you already pay for. For the most part I will be voting:
Nay. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
McRoll
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.02.27 11:51:00 -
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The answer is a no-brainer for people who understand the consequences of microtransactions. The typical cosmetic or "new weapon, new clothes" stuff brings in a lot of money, so from the developers point of view it makes more sense to spend a couple of days to **** out some virtual clothing for 5Gé¼ instead of developing meaningful content for the game which means way more work, money and time investment.
By bying stuff htrough microtransactions the players ruin their own game because they could have gotten meaningful content from the developers instead. You can compare microtransactions to cancer, it started somewhere within a game developer company as a little tumor and spread out developing metastases to other game developers.
Best examples for DLC or MT are the map pack for Call of Duty for example, (which costs around 15Gé¼ if I'm not mistaken-you would have gotten the content as a patch earlier) or the newest mount in WoW which costs insane 20Gé¼. Which sane developer would make a good addon for a game if you can make money so easily from idiots buying that?
So my answer to microtransactions is to burn them with fire. And fire a dozen of nuclear missiles at them afterwards just to be sure. |
T0RT0ISE
KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:15:00 -
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This hasn't been asked before. What a brilliant thread. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:27:00 -
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******* nay
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Jackson Firn
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:34:00 -
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At -ú15.99 a month per character no thanks, if they wanted to ditch that fee then i might be convoinced too roll with it, i have not been in the game long enough to understand all the implications, but i urge on the Nay.. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:35:00 -
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No. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:45:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Apart from the fact that there's nothing Micro about CCP's idea of MT, this is a simple question to gauge how many people are for or against MT in a game you already pay for. For the most part I will be voting:
Nay. As long the vanity micro transactions are self sustaining and provide the salaries for NEW developers assigned to the project, I have nothing against it. IE custom paint shops, corporation/alliance HQ upgrades or clothes.
If stuff like this starts to eat funding from sub fees, there is a problem.
Get |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:48:00 -
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T0RT0ISE wrote:This hasn't been asked before. What a brilliant thread.
Oh look, an angry virgin spreading his virginity rage on the nets. Not seen that before. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:55:00 -
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hell no |
Ayumi Hinoki
Shimai of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:05:00 -
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Nay. |
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Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:58:00 -
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Micro transactions aren't a simple yes/no thing. It depends on whats being sold and at what price. Currently the stuff we have now is anything but "micro".
If MT can be done right then yes I'm for it. But CCP has already proven that they don't know anything about MT nor how a functioning MT system works.
Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:09:00 -
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As long as the things you buy is cosmetic, I have no problem with players using money if they want to look more different. Its their money after all. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1104
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:30:00 -
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Herold Oldtimer wrote:As long as the things you buy is cosmetic, I have no problem with players using money if they want to look more different. Its their money after all. Microtransactions are fine so long as CCP does not go crazy with them. Cosmetic stuff as it is now is perfectly fine. Anybody who says otherwise is just being ignorant and stubborn. CCP needs to make money. The more they make the more they can evolve EvE and the more Devs they can hire instead of fire.
And did we really need another one of these threads? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
CanIHave YourStuff
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:37:00 -
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Be careful. Questioning the op can lead to personal attCks. |
tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:37:00 -
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Microtransaction: a short-term plan that fucks up a game long-term. EvE Online: A long-term epic game.
So... umh... NAY to ******* up my favorite game! |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:37:00 -
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What are they supposed to offer anyway? Clothes? We've been there, sane people don't want Space Barbies.
Ship customizations which you don't see most of the time or possibly get primaried for using?
People either buy that kind of stuff once (because they don't lose ships in Highsec) or they don't bother because they lose ships all the time in 0.0 so... There really is little point. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
196
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:43:00 -
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It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How".
MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are...
- Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-(
In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2012.02.27 14:47:00 -
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Not just no, **** no.
A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:40:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Micro transactions aren't a simple yes/no thing. It depends on whats being sold and at what price. Currently the stuff we have now is anything but "micro".
If MT can be done right then yes I'm for it. But CCP has already proven that they don't know anything about MT nor how a functioning MT system works.
Wrong, I'm talking about the very concept of having MT in a PtP game. I don't like paying extra for anything in a game I'm already paying for, be it vanity or not. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:44:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How".
MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are...
- Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-(
In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt.
I don't regard Plexes as MT, for the simple reason that I STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE GAME WITHOUT SELLING PLEX.
Apologies for the caps, but there is a difference and I wish people would stop suggesting that Aurum and Plex are one and the same thing. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:54:00 -
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Aye
As long as its vanity only. Clothing, Ship Skins etc fantastic give more. And as long as the ship skins require a ship of that type to be traded in as well so nothing is just "created" from thin air, |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3298
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:13:00 -
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Vanity only and more vanity.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3298
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:14:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Not just no, **** no.
A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE.
Tell that to World of Warcraft, Final fantasy 14 and just about every subscription mmo out there today.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:18:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How". While I don't really agree with the details listed, I agree with this general statement.
MT that in no way affects the game (including not touching the market in any way)? Sure. Knock yourselves out. MT that breaks, subverts, circumvents, obsoletes or in some other way affects gameplay? **** no.
The problem with MT in EVE is the uniquely integrated and interdependent universe CCP has created, and as an unfortunate side-effect (for their business development efforts that is) this means that the argument GÇ£don't use it if you don't like itGÇ¥ does not hold water GÇö what other people do directly affects me, no matter how much GÇ£it's just for their personal useGÇ¥ anything supposedly is. So as the wacko says, yes or no all comes down to GÇ£howGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1107
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:21:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:Micro transactions aren't a simple yes/no thing. It depends on whats being sold and at what price. Currently the stuff we have now is anything but "micro".
If MT can be done right then yes I'm for it. But CCP has already proven that they don't know anything about MT nor how a functioning MT system works.
Wrong, I'm talking about the very concept of having MT in a PtP game. I don't like paying extra for anything in a game I'm already paying for, be it vanity or not. Since PLEX is MT in itself and everything in the NeX store is able to be purchased using both PLEX and ISK your entire point and this thread are moot. Everything I bought on the NeX I got from the market with ISK. If I really cared to I would buy a PLEX with ISK and convert it to AUR for NeX items. You have the option...you don't HAVE to use your real money for anything. That is the difference with how CCP is running MT and every other game out there. It doesn't even compare. PLEX has always been a form of MT and nothing has changed at all with the introduction of the NeX store and anything that is in it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:22:00 -
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As long as it stays superficial with monocles and barbie stuff, yay. Otherwise hell nay. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:53:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Wacktopia wrote:It's less about the "Yes or No" and more about the "How".
MT kind of already exists through the PLEX purchasing system. The potential problems/questions I have with MTs are...
- Will you be able to buy FiS things through NeX that you cannot get anywhere else? - Will those "things" be limited to blue-prints so they are actually manufactured outside of NeX? - Will the NeX items be destroy-on-death? I.e will a panted ship remain painted for you or will you need to re-paint it? - Will the items you can buy ever enhance your ship or character in space? :-(
In general I don't want to see anything else going into the NeX at all but we'll see where the freight train of whoever is behind the mess of NeX takes us NeXt. I don't regard Plexes as MT, for the simple reason that I STILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE GAME WITHOUT SELLING PLEX. Apologies for the caps, but there is a difference and I wish people would stop suggesting that Aurum and Plex are one and the same thing.
You really need to get it through your head that the only difference between PLEX and AUR is that AUR is vanity item specific, and more granular.
You can purchase either with cash or with ISK.
So yes, continue with MT in EVE... giving people the choice of buying items with in game currency or with cash, whichever suits them best.
Where the MT "OPTION" plus subscription fee model does not work is when you have some items ONLY available with cash... which is exactly why DUST does not charge a subscription fee. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Sieges
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:00:00 -
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No. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:04:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Not just no, **** no.
A cash shop has no place in a subscription game, and CCP should be ashamed for trying to do it in EVE.
This. |
Vetrox Satria
Canadian Forces Corp
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:37:00 -
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If micro transactions are for vanity items skins for ships etc then whats the issue? Plex is a microtransaction for isk so you dont approve of this either i assume
IRL I flaunt my cash by buying lots of expensive clothes to make everyone else shut the hell up cos they're dressed in crap. It doesnt hurt anyone, they still get to walk around hiding their junk the same as me...i just look better.
You dont want micro transactions? then dont ******* use them nub cake. It wont hurt you, people with a pink drake wont be any better off than you other than they will have a pink drake with a black viper stripe down the middle and their guns will glow purple and the ships trail will be a rainbow. |
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