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Saldoro
Disco Biscuits New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.04.14 10:34:00 -
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Why would anyone vote for a Goon except for other Goons? All they are hoping to do is further their own agenda at this level. Remember these are the guys that staged a PR campaign against CCP via a threadnaugtht and posts across gaming boards and social networking sites. They only play for their enjoyment and don't care about Eve in general. They have proven time and time again that they'll use all the tools available to further their agenda including the super-cap nerf because they couldn't beat BoB wiothout it and their attempt to nerf fighters.
So I'll be voting for anyone that isn't affiliated with those cheating and malicious as$holes. ---- Disco Biscuits, Baby!
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swampeeeden
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:46:00 -
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Hardin .......Top bloke
http://hardinfaq.blogspot.com/
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fuze
Gallente InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verone What makes me different doesn't matter, since I'm no longer running. I also don't doubt that people would be able to do the same, that's never been my issue.
I'm glad you've withdraw. Not that I don't like you (you seem a good bloke to me) but I'd hat to see that the CSM are all forum *****s or Eve-tv people getting votes because people can remember their name or face. And doing it with commitment means it will eat time you don't have while running a corp/alliance.
Quote: Whether the CSM is a success or a failure will depend entirely on whether people will vote with the views of the community in mind, or whether they'll vote with whomever can put forward enough of their own ideas that they'd like to see implemented/repaired.
My vote is for the person who can give some excellent arguments when CCP decides to implement one of their ludicrous plans once more. It does happen they have good plans on occasion though. And he/she has to find out what IA is about.
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Rufus Britton
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:22:00 -
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Ankhesentapemkah of course! She's a bit like Hardin, but actually with intelligence, content and insight instead of oneliners and 'funny' pictures.
I joined up with her party the moment I heard she was running. At least she is open-minded and actually listens to others instead of being some ego-tripper that only wants to be in the CSM for more epeen, like some of the other candidates seem to be.
If you'd read some of the interviews, Ankh really stands out, especially thanks to her prior experience, being game designer and ultima online freeserver admin and such. She knows the technical stuff behind a game, and how changes to game mechanics affect the players and the communities. She genuinely is interested in making the game better and more interesting for everyone.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus Britton Ankhesentapemkah of course! She's a bit like Hardin, but actually with intelligence, content and insight instead of oneliners and 'funny' pictures.
There's a lot more to Hardin than one-liners and funny pictures.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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XxWaltarxX
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:51:00 -
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To quote Lavista Vista.
"The question has been put forward countless of times. Why should you vote for anybody? Will it ever make a difference anyways?
Its important to realise what makes a good candidate for the council. And i suppose in the end, people do want candidates who share the same beliefs as them.
While i agree, i think its important that a candidate is impartial to a large degree. Of course, people will talk more about their own interests. But you cant stop that.
Thus, you should elect someone who can represent everybody. In the end, if a person is well-qualified to the position, yet has no "name" to speak of, that person would very likely do it just as well as if someone extremely famous it did.
Its important that a council member can represent as many sides of an issue as possible, and do so in a nice way. And the person should be able to differenciate personal interest from public opinion.
Its of course a bonus if a member can relate to the issue in question with personal experience. But it shouldnt matter beyond the fact that the person is also a member of the community, and has a say aswell."
He speaks as a leader who is here to help make changes to the game from the people. Not for his own gain. He already helped make a great Eve bank for the players, how cool is that? I already made 100 mill from intrest alone. What else is this man capable of? He also runs a podcast. All in the name of Eve online. I say vote Lavista Vista. What else can he do to make the game a funner place? |
Brusen
Caldari Norwegian Hood United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus Britton
If you'd read some of the interviews, Ankh really stands out, especially thanks to her prior experience, being game designer and ultima online freeserver admin and such. She knows the technical stuff behind a game, and how changes to game mechanics affect the players and the communities. She genuinely is interested in making the game better and more interesting for everyone.
So if I want it easier to attack a high sec farmer/macro, she will disregard personal views and make the game more interesting for me and my alliance members?
As who I will be voting for is MongWen, since I trust him and I know his views on issues that matter to me and my alliance mates.
anyways best of luck to everyone. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.14 15:07:00 -
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If you ever listened to Davey, you'd vote for him too.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.14 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brusen So if I want it easier to attack a high sec farmer/macro, she will disregard personal views and make the game more interesting for me and my alliance members?
As who I will be voting for is MongWen, since I trust him and I know his views on issues that matter to me and my alliance mates.
You and your alliance is not everyone.
So, if we extrapolate on your example, to make it easier to attack highsec people and you have a well-worked out idea, then by all means, tell me. However, there also should be something for the rest of the players to stop you from doing that. Meaningful consequences for criminal actions.
Right now highsec PVP is broken, boring and without consequence for the criminals, as they can always play the fight on their own terms. It's time to give bounty hunters and vigilantees something to do as well.
I think faction warfare is a great framework to spice things up for everyone, including you and your corporation. |
Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.14 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 14/04/2008 17:27:54
Originally by: Rufus Britton Ankhesentapemkah of course! She's a bit like Hardin, but actually with intelligence, content and insight instead of oneliners and 'funny' pictures..
Yeah,she just posts links to real life incidents and non applicable or hypothetical situations and tries to relate them to Eve.
Originally by: Rufus Britton
At least she is open-minded and actually listens to others
Open minded?You are joking ofc.
Originally by: Rufus Britton
If you'd read some of the interviews, Ankh really stands out.
If you read Her previous posts that she made BEFORE deciding to go for the free trip to Iceland and she really,really stands out!I would ignore the propaganda she pushes on her web site or blog.If you want to see Anks motivation and true feelings read the rubbish she posted BEFORE she decided to run for CSM.
Originally by: Rufus Britton
especially thanks to her prior experience, being game designer and ultima online freeserver admin and such. Quote:
Yeah her UO server was PvP /off iirc.That's good if you don't want a PvP game I suppose.
I suggest you read my previous post in this thread. |
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.14 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: nemississ If im not mistaken Jade constantine is confirmed GH-SC so definatly not voting for her
I can set your mind at rest there old chap. I'm definitely not GH-SC. I started playing Eve a long long time before the current iteration of GH-SC was formed. There have been some incidental crossovers over time (with eve being a single-server environment these things are inevitable). We once had Raem Civre and NT Rabbit in our corporation for example in the first year of eve, and we once had Tyrrax's "Throneworlds Church of Sin and Absolution" in the first iteration of Star Fraction for a few weeks. And for the record I quite enjoy the extreme levels of intrigue and backstabbing that GH-SC bring into the game and I think they help make the setting dark and dangerous and very adult.
But as for me being one? Nope. For one thing it takes way too much time playing that kind of deep cover operative game and at heart I'm a fan of actual pvp combat and small unit tactics. And to be honest, Tyrrax and I haven't exactly agreed on much for the last three years :)
So I'm afraid you are mistaken Nemississ. Glad to set you straight!
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Troye
Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.04.14 18:18:00 -
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I havnt been keeping up to date with it but I'm prolly gunna vote Jade, I remember her from way back "in the day" and she's always showed an intelligence and dedication to eve. She's also been an active member of the RP comunity, glad to learn she's taking part.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.14 18:39:00 -
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Now with regard to the point some have made on this thread about the campaign focus/personal interests of the candidates for the CSM, yes, I make no bones about my specific intention to promote improvement for those aspects of the game I personally (and many other players) specifically enjoy. Small unit PVP combat, meaningful territorial disputes, mobile infrastructure, enhanced empire wars and conflict paradigms, faction warfare. These are things I believe are absolutely vital to the future health and development of the game of Eve online and I know I'm not alone in wishing these things promoted with strength and urgency.
ItÆs very important that the CSM contains voices with various specific interests representing a cross section of the community. We definitely need people running on platforms of corporate structure improvement; we do need guyÆs expert with all the problems with the GUI and associated bugs and shortcomings. We need guys who are expert on the economy and can come up with decent advocacy for formalized share-trading and general industrial enhancement.
What we don't need are half a dozen clones of the same big alliance rep saying exactly the same thing and arguing either PRO or ANTI POS nerfing based on the current military situation their parent alliance finds itself in. This is why some actual independence of mega-alliance politics is vital.
Now I know I've likely put a few noses out of joint by saying from day one "these are the things I think need fixing" and "these are the issues I'm going to promise to promote" but ultimately I preferred to be absolutely upfront about that bias rather than claiming I would be able to represent whatever selection of policies might get the most votes or simply being "a generalized good rep".
Somebody earlier in this thread said of my history in Eve Online that I polarize politics and thatÆs true really. I stand up and say what I think and if you agree with me thatÆs great! If you don't agree with me thatÆs great too! But I'd rather see strong and honest opinions clearly expressed by passionate individuals at the CSM than have the whole thing submerge as a damp squib junket where nothing contentious or exciting ever gets proposed.
Eve is a game about taking risks. Eve is a game that refused to follow the pack. Eve is a game that threw away the rulebook and decided to make a death penalty that hurts. Its big bold, adult, brutal and heart-pounding excitement where decisions matter and victory is so sweet.
I think we need a council of CSM representatives who feel this passion and have the courage to stand up and say what they think needs putting right and fronting up their policy choices and preferences to the Eve electorate so everyone can make an informed decision and genuine choice.
So, if I get elected I'll use my position on the CSM to try and do some good for the game of Eve and re-capture some of the genuine wonder and enjoyment that has kept me addicted to the pvp-combat side of the game for almost five years now. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm good for my promises and am not the sort of person to sit down and shut up and enjoy the air-ticket without trying as hard as I can to make a significant difference while I'm in the role.
If the first CSM is formed of nine candidates with reputation, personal charisma, drive, enthusiasm and specific interests to improve and enhance aspects of the game and community of Eve Online then it'll be a huge success.
I'm committed to making that happen and I'm glad to see some other high quality entrants on the candidate-list ... guys like Serenity Steele, Omber Zombie, Tornsoul and Hardin are excellent long term players with their own specific interests and areas of specialty in the game. I've played Eve alongside these chaps for five years odd now and though we differ on policy priorities (and even fight IC wars against each other!) the mutual respect as long term fellow players cannot be denied.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.14 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil While I think this will give another unneeded ego boost to him, Jade has a very passionate plan for making 0.0 dynamic. While he obviously has an agenda, I agree with his assertion that everyone has an agenda, and that at least his is clear - there are some candidates that seem to have no plan, though, and just wish to be the "voices of the players". While that's admirable, I don't think that should be the candidate's primary focus, but rather an unstated part of their job.
Ah Sak Reality is its not so much "my plan" for making 0.0 dynamic, but a matched set of policy priorities gathered from playing Eve tactical pvp combat with some of the best and most imaginative players in the game over the last few years. It'd be wrong to claim these ideas are all my ideas, they are gathered from a whole variety of places and reflect the opinions of many people who put the good of a fluid and compelling pvp combat model above personal, corp and alliance interest and just want to see the fun they have had in the past preserved and enhanced in the future.
My talent (if anything) is just being a stubborn sod committed to bringing these things to the attention of the powers-that-be and building a compelling argument to get things done. Some ideas are simply "good ideas" and having a general overview of what works for enjoyable game play and what doesn't helps us see the ideal directions for future game development. I make it fairly plain in my Manifesto where my interest lies - its the superb interactive space-opera living that "Iain M Banks" dream of clashing spaceships and political chaos on the frontier. Thats my interest and if its yours to then thats superb! As you say, everybody is automatically committed to "representing the player base" if they are running as a Candidate, thats not a unique selling point at all. What we need is the flash of individual drive and charisma needed to keep the devs on track and prioritizing the projects and focus vital to keeping this great game fun for this (and the next generation) of players.
Hopefully the CSM electorate will dare to dream of what can be and elect a council of candidates who will reinforce the devs with all the enthusiasm and raw passion this game promotes.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.14 21:37:00 -
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at least if both jade and I get elected I won't be the one making the longest posts
if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison? ----------------------
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isdisco3
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: isdisco3 on 15/04/2008 15:50:44 I believe the worry from Verone, and players like him, comes down to fearing that the CSM could become a place for silly political bickering (not unlike many IRL bodies) due to the candidates running on narrow platforms. IE if there's a "miner representative", he'll want to do nothing but talk about introducing new roids and making ganks in lowsec harder. If there's a 0.0 mega-alliance rep, he'll want to talk about fixing server lag and dealing with afk cloakers, for example. Obviously they'd both have more topics, but I'm simplifying for sake of argument.
While all these concerns are valid, and you can argue that the summation of all the individual concerns will address the perceived zeitgeist of the EVE community, there runs the risk that these representatives are stubborn, dogmatic, and unable and unwilling to discuss matters that do not pertain to their chunk of the electorate. At this point, the CSM becomes pointless and perhaps even counter-productive, especially if the margin for an issue to be discussed is as low as 5%, because all it takes is for one group to get together, whine on forums, and use up invaluable CSM time for something that really won't affect anyone but them.
I think the 5% thing is a bad one. While the issues should be determined somewhat democratically, requiring a fixed percentage for an issue to come forth seems arbitrary. We should run the first couple of issues via vote on forums, get a ballpark figure of the number of responders, and go from there.
Also, I think the CSM should be given more autonomy than is allowed in a system requiring them to deal with issues that a small part of the playerbase wants during any given week. If they're popular enough to get elected, we really should trust them to know what they're doing, and let them do what they think is best. If they mess it up, then they won't get re-elected next time. Requiring them to have a knee-jerk automatic response to each week's organized forum ops (and you know that is going to happen) seems to trivialize what could otherwise be a more respectable and productive institution.
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Darwin Duck
Ark Royals
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:51:00 -
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Where do I vote?
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D'ceet
Shadows of the Dead Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:49:00 -
[138]
can i vote for myself?
Official D'ceet CSM Page.
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Kairusen Laidan
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:15:00 -
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Dymetrie gets my vote - he seeks to help 'bears and secure Empire space. Good enough reason as any to me!
Much hugz for dimatree! <3
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:06:00 -
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I see no point to it. It will be to small a slice of the EVE population to be useful for testing purposes or even idea purposes.
In fact it could become the greatest mistake ever if it leads to development like the SOE focus groups of 2005....
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison?
That would be funs. :D Oh and hi btw, long time. :D
All that said, right now I would most likely be voting for Jade, but on the other hand I have only really researched the views of Jade and Hardin, so I have some work to do before commiting my vote.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.04.16 11:17:00 -
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We have many good candidates, so far I'm to decide between 2. I guess I'll be deciding after the CSM Halls where we will have the chance to listen and understand more about each one of them.
EvE-roleplayers
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Uzuness
Carebear Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.16 11:22:00 -
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Just like the US presidential elections.. I'm not voting. :D ----------------- I am death, the destroyer of worlds. |
Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 12:05:00 -
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Omber Zombie - He has the experience to look at it from all sides, is open (not all candidates are) and as far as anyone can tell in these things, honest.
I feel he will look at each problem as an individual one without siding for either Alliance or area of space.
Who I won't vote for is any character truley embedded within an alliance, 0.0 or other. Any character that has hung around the same place day afer day, year after year is a bad candidate for the person that wants a fair balance in this game.
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Duncan Bannatyne
Machiavellian Intuition
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Posted - 2008.04.16 12:28:00 -
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Well, they are all filthy carebears anyway, so as I don't wish to play Hello Kitty Online, noone.
I would however make an exception for Chribba.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.16 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Bannatyne Well, they are all filthy carebears anyway, so as I don't wish to play Hello Kitty Online, noone.
Have you actually read some of the manifestos Duncan? Serious question.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.16 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie at least if both jade and I get elected I won't be the one making the longest posts
if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison?
I can't see the Goons being too fond of that but we could certainly have a celebration there if it all goes well mate!
CSM Election Manifesto 2008 |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.04.16 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie at least if both jade and I get elected I won't be the one making the longest posts
if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison?
As much as I love people that are literate could you press for a letter per post cap for the forums too if elected? I mean we gotta keep Jade in check.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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