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Murple
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Posted - 2004.04.20 17:14:00 -
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I know Eve-DB lists the Flagship skill as a frigate related skill, but could it just be a place holder for the super BS-sized Dreadnought? When I think Flagship, I think of the largest ship in the fleet, not a frigate sized ship. Flagship must be a BS specialized skill. Any thoughts?
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.04.21 02:52:00 -
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Check some other upcoming skills, and you will se a lot with the description "Skill at operating Amarr frigates", so there's probably a lot more to be added...
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Carfax
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Posted - 2004.04.21 12:20:00 -
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er flagship would be the lead ship surely so should simply apply to the gang via the gang leader like the two existing ones er Guerilla tactics and the other ? Flagship could be frigate, cruiser, battleship or shuttle even (if you were nuts)
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Titan AE
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Posted - 2004.04.22 02:24:00 -
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yeah, most of the skills that are not defined yet have that amarr frigate description in them. Its just a placeholder. : )
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Asterian XVV
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Posted - 2004.04.22 04:21:00 -
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Well eve is all mixed up if you think about it. A cruiser i believe is the largest ship in a fleet (next to aircraft carriers) A frigate was the largest ship back in the pirate days...And a battleship i believe is smaller than a cruiser. It could be a shuttle ffs :)
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Odds
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Posted - 2004.04.22 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Asterian XVV Well eve is all mixed up if you think about it. A cruiser i believe is the largest ship in a fleet (next to aircraft carriers) A frigate was the largest ship back in the pirate days...And a battleship i believe is smaller than a cruiser. It could be a shuttle ffs :)
Congrats, you're officially ignorant. :)
I am going to help you, even though I am sure there are ten thousand other people descending on you already. :)
A battleship is the largest ship in a traditional blue-water-navy fleet. Cruisers are smaller. Quite a bit, usually. Frigates are also used in some modern navies and are then usually defined as smaller than destroyer class ships, which are again smaller than cruisers.
In short, Eve is not 'mixed up'. You are.
Enjoy.
-Odds.
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Uriel Arcondus
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Posted - 2004.04.22 10:08:00 -
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Well on the other hand the HMS Hood was at her sinking Britains largest ship. And she was classefied as a battlecruiser....but thats not so far from a battleship anyways.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.22 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Odds
A battleship is the largest ship in a traditional blue-water-navy fleet. Cruisers are smaller. Quite a bit, usually. Frigates are also used in some modern navies and are then usually defined as smaller than destroyer class ships, which are again smaller than cruisers.
In short, Eve is not 'mixed up'. You are.
actually they both are. You too for good measure Blue water: (Carriers >) Battleship > Cruiser > Destroyers > Frigates. EvE (known so far): (Carriers?? >) Battleship > Destroyers > Crusiers > Frigates.
Carriers in eve are a WAG, but it's been stated that Destroyers will be the new class between bships and cruisers. O well .
Dreadnaughts may be the 'mini-titans' mentioned hither and yon, or they may be in addition to . A ship called the "fear nothing" is not to be screwed with lightly Flagships are usually inspirational, so i'd imagine the guess about gang bonuses is not far off, tho i'd hope we'd see it be at least destroyer sized... carriers are a complete unknown. Massive drone bays from hell? AFAIK titans are going to have the internal shipyard, but maybe they'd be designed to carry frigates and interceptors... carriers wouldn't be useful as drone swarms until the next skill after Drone Interfacing is out anyway.
Time will tell. Or eve-i will spill it...
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BassPlayingMonkey
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Posted - 2004.04.23 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Uriel Arcondus Well on the other hand the HMS Hood was at her sinking Britains largest ship. And she was classefied as a battlecruiser....but thats not so far from a battleship anyways.
Originally, I believe, the concept of a "battlecruiser" is just a battleship (in terms of armament) with lighter armour, and as a result, faster. Correct me if i'm wrong :)
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.04.23 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
EvE (known so far): (Carriers?? >) Battleship > Destroyers > Crusiers > Frigates.
Carriers in eve are a WAG, but it's been stated that Destroyers will be the new class between bships and cruisers. O well .
In power (hitpoints, size of guns and skill requirement or release order): Dreadnaught > Battleship > Carrier/Flagship > Battlecruiser > Interdictor > Cruiser > Assault/Escort Frigate // Bomber > Covert Ops > Interceptor > Frigate > Noobship.
In size I'll only make an advanced guess: Titan > Dreadnaught > Carrier > Battleship/Flagship > Cruiser > Patrol Cruiser > Battlecruiser > Interdictor > Bomber > Assault Frigate > Frigate > Interceptor
Note how I make distinct difference between power (skills/release) and size. --
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Seirae Castria
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Posted - 2004.04.24 05:18:00 -
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Ahhh...all that time reading space naval sagas has come to frution...i i think ill skip all the 'what ifs' in size and give you a size list
Monitors(ie: Titans,Death Star) > Superdreadnaughts > Dreadnaughts > Carriers > Battleships > Battlecruisers > Cruiser > Light Cruiser > Destroyer > Frigate > Pinnace > Shuttle
Take note that this is gathered from over 5+ years of reading books and research here and there...and also doesnt include things like Supermonitors (which proably reside only in my head), Immobile Starbases, and a few ship classes that are specific to a few 'universes.'
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2004.04.24 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Seirae Castria Monitors(ie: Titans,Death Star) > Superdreadnaughts > Dreadnaughts > Carriers > Battleships > Battlecruisers > Cruiser > Light Cruiser > Destroyer > Frigate > Pinnace > Shuttle
Take note that this is gathered from over 5+ years of reading books and research here and there...and also doesnt include things like Supermonitors (which proably reside only in my head), Immobile Starbases, and a few ship classes that are specific to a few 'universes.'
In SFU (SFB, F&E and related), Battleships are larger than Dreadnaughts. In real life this is true as well, Dreadnaughts are the precursors to the Battleships. Or more accurately, the HMS Dreadnaught was the precursor to WWII era battleships, but anyways...
SFB did it: Battleship -> Dreadnaught -> Battlecruiser -> (new) Heavy Cruiser -> Light Cruiser -> Destroyer -> War Destroyer -> Frigate -> Police Boat -> Fast Patrol ship/fighters/shuttles
With basically each ship type having both fast patrol ship and fighter capable variants which would of course be more powerful than the attrition unitless versions. Monitors were basically useless in SFB as well... although they were basically useless in the real world as well...
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Kaito'Li
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Posted - 2004.04.25 00:18:00 -
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For the love of GOD can we just stop this? Who cares? Its THEIR interpretation of THEIR ship class system. Deal Confucius he say, "Bugger this, I'm off for a beer" |
Lark
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Posted - 2004.04.25 09:34:00 -
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History lesson Dreadnought was the first "real" battleship in the British navy - totally outclassing anything before it. Because it was so big and powerful it made the rest of the previously undefeatable British navy obsolete, as well as the ships of all other navies, which meant that the other big nations could start building fleets from a position of almost parity, leading the the naval arms race that lead up to the first world war. Aside: Dreadnought was also the first major british warship to be built without a ram, ironic given that the only action HMS Dreadnought ever saw was to ram a Hun submarine in the channel.
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.04.25 22:01:00 -
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Hmmm i read this topics and i can`t stop myself for putting my few cents here Simply im a fan of all starships from all universes Best ship design of classes and so on in my opinion was made by David Weber in Honor Harrington saga (i dont want to check all original books names becouse they are translated on my language, that you want understand;) and im too lazy)
By size in book: Super drednaught>Drednaught/carrier class vessels>Battleships>Line Cruisers>Heavy cruisers>Light Cruisers>Destroyer>Pinnances there are no frigates, there are system ships that works as frigates but are uncapable of jumping (carrier carry this class vessels) After small work this will suits ideal for eve i think:) Of corse with frigates taking role of fighters/scouts and smallest combat vessel in game, deadly in packs:)
And why not to think about it? Eve is still growing and nothing is sure for now:)
Oh and if you love space battles (as i love them) check this books:)))
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.26 00:43:00 -
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Dreadnoughts were like battleships but ONLY with large guns--basically giant mobile ultra-huge artilleries. Used only against battleships really.
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.04.26 11:02:00 -
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where silver?
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Akarah Siminova
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Posted - 2004.04.26 18:03:00 -
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The Hood was a battle "cruiser" rather than a battle "ship" because of its thin deck armor (which allowed it to move much faster than other ships of its size). Unfortunately, that thin deck armor along with a lucky magazine hit is what let the German battle ship Bismark knock it out in very few volleys. ------------------------------------------------ |
Basst
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Posted - 2004.04.27 20:06:00 -
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I don't know if anyone cares about this or not. But since no one else has said it I disided I would. In most modern Navys of the real world there are no battle ships. Becouse of a combnation of cost and missel tecnoligy the battle ship has become a thing of the past. I am not sure about England, but I know that the U.S. no longer has a single Battle Ship in serves.
The last one was retired over 10 years ago.
Just thought I would say that. Not that it has anything to do with the game.
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Kain Aegis
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Basst I don't know if anyone cares about this or not. But since no one else has said it I disided I would. In most modern Navys of the real world there are no battle ships. Becouse of a combnation of cost and missel tecnoligy the battle ship has become a thing of the past. I am not sure about England, but I know that the U.S. no longer has a single Battle Ship in serves.
The last one was retired over 10 years ago.
Just thought I would say that. Not that it has anything to do with the game.
Kinda funny that a lot of us are retiring our BS's as well...
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Nanya
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Posted - 2004.06.12 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Asterian XVV Well eve is all mixed up if you think about it. A cruiser i believe is the largest ship in a fleet (next to aircraft carriers) A frigate was the largest ship back in the pirate days...And a battleship i believe is smaller than a cruiser. It could be a shuttle ffs :)
I don't know what's the RL system, but it space games bss are the biggest :) It reminds me of Battleship Osiris (Freelancer). Tiny EVE bss could dock into it :))
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Morikai Acler
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Posted - 2004.06.13 05:36:00 -
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In reality, the modern, and WWII modern ship classes for the Navy were.... Battleship/Carrier > Battle Cruiser(Battleship cruiser hybrid, designed either sacrificing armor, or firepower for speed) > Cruiser (several different setups, most powerful being the Aegis Missile system cruiser) > Frigate (basically a Destroyer hull fitted with cruiser weapons, reclassified as Radar/scout cruisers in the mid 80s) > Destroyer/submarine > Patrol boat. This of course is going by the info posted on the US Navy website, if you dig around enough for historical info.
In game terms from what I can tell it should be, Titan(deathstar for example), Flagship(think Eclipse class super star destroyer from starwars books)/Carrier, Dreadnaught (regular super star destroyer), Battleship, Battle Cruiser, Thinking Interdictor here, Cruiser, Destroyer, Interceptor, Covert Ops (submarine like), Frigate. I would have to go over the ship skill list again.
Thinking Battlecruiser will take some form of navigations skill minimum, but hopefully it will be a new ship class rather than an Elite. Would make sense after all with the way they are in reality. Interdictor would obviously be an elite cruiser, remembering back to starwars RPG ship classes I believe that is what they are. I think Destroyers are going to be cool, cruiser size ships made to load lots of frigate weapons for frigate and drone killing. Everything after that is pretty self explanatory.
I just wish either they'd release shiva soon, or at least give hints as to training paths needed for new ships. I also hope there are at least one or two levels of the new ships. Wouldnt be right to only have one type of destroyer per race, especially with races like the caldari having the ability to go light missile boat or gun boat. Cause if at all possible I will probably be first in line to buy a Destroyer.
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stalefish
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Posted - 2004.06.15 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: stalefish on 15/06/2004 06:30:00
Originally by: Basst I don't know if anyone cares about this or not. But since no one else has said it I disided I would. In most modern Navys of the real world there are no battle ships. Becouse of a combnation of cost and missel tecnoligy the battle ship has become a thing of the past. I am not sure about England, but I know that the U.S. no longer has a single Battle Ship in serves.
The last one was retired over 10 years ago.
Just thought I would say that. Not that it has anything to do with the game.
That's b/c we have the Aegis Cruisers launching tomahawks like no other... smaller, faster, packs a mean punch.
CCP, put cruise missles back on cruisers...
On another note, are the bombers gonna be able to fit heavy launchers with like -90% req kinda like the mining laser req on bantams?
I'm a big fan of missles, as u can see
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