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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
49
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:26:00 -
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Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good.
All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it.
This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke.
Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? |
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:30:00 -
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Yay ! Now I can recruit again for my empire corp, without bothering to teach newbs how to play pvp. Thanks CCP !
Seriously, if it comes to this, just remove wardecs, they'll be useless. Alternatively, raise the price for a non-consensual war (the current prices date back to an era when isk were flowing less). And make consensual wars free... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5081
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:30:00 -
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EhGǪ how the hell is a -ÿhigh sec warGÇ¥ even defined?
The GÇ£skip the r-wordGÇ¥ campaigners may complain as much as they'd like, but this idea is indeed of the kind that would have had you institutionalised in the early 1900s. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
392
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:31:00 -
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Lets all band together and shoot a monument over a mechanic on the test server.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
176
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:33:00 -
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This is good. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
350
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:34:00 -
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Maybe now certain corporations will stop hugging Jita undock... |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
10
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:34:00 -
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Corp A: "Excuse me good sir, is it ok if I slap you in the face?"
Corp B: "You most certainly can my dear sir. please do" |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3299
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:35:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking??
Well... no more war declaration shell games.
May low sec corps will start recruiting since theyll be the only ones using it and will need more bodies to start killing each other.
Stealth low sec buff?
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Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:37:00 -
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This change is a necessary evil. So many subscriptions come from hisec bears, and too many people have their game ruined by griefers for CCP not to do something. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
158
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:38:00 -
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errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
74
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:40:00 -
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Hes picking a sisi downtime to spread wild rumors and start a riot. |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:41:00 -
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RIP 0rphanage |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:42:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right.
Thank god, 'cause this system sounds ridiculous... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5081
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:43:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Hes picking a sisi downtime to spread wild rumors. One would bloody hope so, because a consensual requirement for wardecs would essentially mean that highsec would have to be removedGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
293
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:45:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
158
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:48:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace.
also declare peace functionality may be broken. https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
49
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:49:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right.
It seems I have been trolled by a corp member on jabber , brb kicking him in the nuts (ingame) |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3299
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:51:00 -
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CCP and OP Trolling all of us lol.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
74
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:51:00 -
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Always a nice out to blame someone else.
And Tuxford, if true, lol. if trolling, mega lol. |
Gummy Plaude
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:53:00 -
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in my opinion consensual wardecs wouldn't be the perfect scenario but they'd be way better than the grief parade that actual high-sec wardecs are.
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. lol
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1030
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:57:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace.
also declare peace functionality may be broken.
Oh god. Must not LOL because there are coworkers in the room and I don't want to try to explain this.
Glad the OP is trolling. If something that bone-headed made it to TQ, I'd be heading for the unsub button. |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
49
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:57:00 -
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Gummy Plaude wrote:in my opinion consensual wardecs wouldn't be the perfect scenario but they'd be way better than the grief parade that actual high-sec wardecs are. CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. lol
I get trolled by RL mate while at work, I (unitentionally ) troll GD, CCP trolls troll that got trolled.
War dec mechanics, the troll that keeps trolling |
Shandir
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:58:00 -
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8/10 |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
74
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:02:00 -
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with dev involvement, come on. 9.5 |
Velicitia
Open Designs
678
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Hes picking a sisi downtime to spread wild rumors. One would bloody hope so, because a consensual requirement for wardecs would essentially mean that highsec would have to be removedGǪ \o/ Nerf Concord! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
293
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:12:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. I've always heard the phrase "laugh so hard you pee..."
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2226
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:13:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
i like this "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1381
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:14:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
......................................... O_O
WHAT ? O_O
WHAT ??? O_O
OMFG !!!!! :D
This would be so awesome ! *LOL* Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
940
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:18:00 -
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This thread needs more butt mad npc corp pubbies crying "griefers! griefers!" Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1381
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:21:00 -
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Xolve wrote:This thread needs more butt kicked npc corp pubbies crying "griefers! griefers!"
My pleasure. :) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
940
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:24:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Xolve wrote:This thread needs more butt kicked npc corp pubbies crying "griefers! griefers!" My pleasure. :)
Oh herro SigBro. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
221
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:28:00 -
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Don't think being "at war with everyone" is quite what you guys think it is.
Standings as they currently are, are pretty bonkers.
Ever tried to set up the overview so only -5 and lower appear?
Good to see work is on going.
More with the tweaks and fixes, less with the wild speculation and bugs!
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
678
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:29:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Don't think being "at war with everyone" is quite what you guys think it is.
WHOOOOOOSHHHHHH! - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:31:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
don't you thnick thats helps greifers too much?
also, do we haev to pay iskies to declare peace?
why does ccp always make the game easier for greifers?
me and my m8s will quit if you do that - add pvp arenas instead so the greifers can shoot each other and leave us alone. |
baltec1
720
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:37:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. don't you thnick thats helps greifers too much? also, do we haev to pay iskies to declare peace? why does ccp always make the game easier for greifers? me and my m8s will quit if you do that - add pvp arenas instead so the greifers can shoot each other and leave us alone.
Good sir, you are no jim kirk and that sarcasm was bad |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
228
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:45:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:Don't you thnick thats helps greifers too much?
also, do we haev to pay iskies to declare peace?
why does ccp always make the game easier for greifers?
me and my m8s will quit if you do that - add pvp arenas instead so the greifers can greif each other and leave us alone. lol
Damn nature, you scary! |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
123
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:47:00 -
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First CCP Punkturis, now CCP Tuxford. I don't know what's gotten into you guys since the Crucible turnaround, but I like it. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
940
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:52:00 -
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Spurty wrote: Standings as they currently are, are pretty bonkers.
Ever tried to set up the overview so only -5 and lower appear?
For a group of ~elitepvpers~ you guys sure are **** at manipulating simple interfaces...
Its really not that hard. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Good sir, you are no jim kirk and that sarcasm was bad
Huh? Does that mean you teling me I'm not jim kirk was bad sacrasm?
igdi
but no - i'm not realy jim kirk. i'm just a guy playing eve and named myself after him. i think the real jim kirk is dead. just for you're information. |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:00:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:Huh? Does that mean you teling me I'm not jim kirk was bad sacrasm? igdi but no - i'm not realy jim kirk. i'm just a guy playing eve and named myself after him. i think the real jim kirk is dead. just for you're information.
Grammar is dead in your post, apparently.
Seriously though - "Cat pain" Kirk? |
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
111
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:03:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. don't you thnick thats helps greifers too much? also, do we haev to pay iskies to declare peace? why does ccp always make the game easier for greifers? me and my m8s will quit if you do that - add pvp arenas instead so the greifers can greif each other and leave us alone.
CCP I demand you changed this guys name at once. This man has no right to use the name Kirk and he has officially brought shame to the name. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
679
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:04:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:First CCP Punkturis, now CCP Tuxford. I don't know what's gotten into you guys since the Crucible turnaround, but I like it.
This. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
679
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:07:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:i think the real jim kirk is dead. just for you're information.
You might want to tell that to the "priceline negotiator".
(hint, it's the same guy) |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1427
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:25:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:BeanBagKing wrote:First CCP Punkturis, now CCP Tuxford. I don't know what's gotten into you guys since the Crucible turnaround, but I like it. This.
well, we do sit next to each other CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
74
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:27:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:well, we do sit next to each other So... that can only mean Tuxford left himself logged on when he went afk. NOOB. |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
33
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:28:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Velicitia wrote:BeanBagKing wrote:First CCP Punkturis, now CCP Tuxford. I don't know what's gotten into you guys since the Crucible turnaround, but I like it. This. well, we do sit next to each other
Now, reading between the lines of this exchange is bound to prove awkward... |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1918
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:29:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Velicitia wrote:BeanBagKing wrote:First CCP Punkturis, now CCP Tuxford. I don't know what's gotten into you guys since the Crucible turnaround, but I like it. This. well, we do sit next to each other
OMG it's a contagion. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1273
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:44:00 -
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It would be nice to have coworkers like they have at CCP. I don't have coworkers like that. I have to wear a helmet just to drown out their constant babbling.
So I hear on Sisi that in order to PVP you have to be flagged...
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0oO0oOoOo0o
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:52:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
??? This is crazy. Do you like to kill EVE ??? If the players liked a system like that, where they can be attacked by others without CONCORD interference, they'd live in lowsec or 0.0. Yet the vast majority of players lives in highsec, as proven by various QEN-Reports or a simple look on the map at any time. Means you are going to FORCE people into something that already exists but is not wanted. What do you think will happen with the amount of players online and the subscriptions ? It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
954
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:53:00 -
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The war mechanics should be automatic so that you're only in war with the people you see in local.
Get |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
229
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:55:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace.. I am not so sure he is only trolling. But it might not medan exactly what you think. I think inferno and it might just be awsome. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
430
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:57:00 -
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0oO0oOoOo0o wrote: ??? This is crazy. Do you like to kill EVE ??? If the players liked a system like that, where they can be attacked by others without CONCORD interference, they'd live in lowsec or 0.0. Yet the vast majority of players lives in highsec, as proven by various QEN-Reports or a simple look on the map at any time. Means you are going to FORCE people into something that already exists but is not wanted. What do you think will happen with the amount of players online and the subscriptions ? It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that.
CCP's growth strategy is to absorb all the Darkfall veterans that are going to ragequit over Darkfall 2 being a stupid nanny MMO |
Willmahh
Ace Adventure Corp Blue Meanies
1
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:59:00 -
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0oO0oOoOo0o wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. ??? This is crazy. Do you like to kill EVE ??? If the players liked a system like that, where they can be attacked by others without CONCORD interference, they'd live in lowsec or 0.0. Yet the vast majority of players lives in highsec, as proven by various QEN-Reports or a simple look on the map at any time. Means you are going to FORCE people into something that already exists but is not wanted. What do you think will happen with the amount of players online and the subscriptions ? It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that.
LOL we caught one! |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
229
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:59:00 -
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Pay for peace. Not war! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2226
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:05:00 -
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make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
209
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:05:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:This change is a necessary evil. So many subscriptions come from hisec bears, and too many people have their game ruined by griefers for CCP not to do something.
Not necessary and not happening. Sorry fluffy, no Hello Kitty HIgh Sec for you. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:12:00 -
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Well, this thread seems to have a lot *LOL* .... time to add some *SERIOUS*.
War decs are based on concord bribes.
A war deced organization should be able to counter bribe for peace.
You keep going back and forth incrementally until one can't out isk the other.
The only way for the individual to avoid a war dec would be to leave the wardeced corp and join a different one after his personal wardec timer is up.
If a corp wishes to avoid being wardeced it must disband and form under a new banner in a larger, more protective organization (alliance).
But even then they might not have enough isk/resources to fend off a wardec from your organization.
The simplest systems are often the strongest.
Don't whine about not being able to get cheap griefing anymore... if a group is willing to fight you off its going to be costly. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
229
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection This! |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
111
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:15:00 -
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0oO0oOoOo0o wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. ??? This is crazy. Do you like to kill EVE ??? If the players liked a system like that, where they can be attacked by others without CONCORD interference, they'd live in lowsec or 0.0. Yet the vast majority of players lives in highsec, as proven by various QEN-Reports or a simple look on the map at any time. Means you are going to FORCE people into something that already exists but is not wanted. What do you think will happen with the amount of players online and the subscriptions ? It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that.
/facepalm
Haven't you ever heard the old saying "Don't trust anybody in Eve"? The system that he's stating is the one that has been in game since creation. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
680
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:18:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection This!
payment options: ISK Doughnuts Shrubberies
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Frontman 242
I Robot Me Tarzan
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:25:00 -
[61] - Quote
9/10 for your corpie |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection
Perhaps after insurance there is another option to purchase a faster response time from concord?
Maybe even make that have a counter bribe option so a group/individual can prevent the faster response time.
Perhaps, maybe even make it a slower than normal response time.
And this is no one time fee. You will have to repay the fee/bribe everytime it has been used.
Makes the carebears feel safe, but is easily counterable if one has the will to do so. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
Elzon1 wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection Perhaps after insurance there is another option to purchase a faster response time from concord? Maybe even make that have a counter bribe option so a group/individual can prevent the faster response time. Perhaps, maybe even make it a slower than normal response time. And this is no one time fee. You will have to repay the fee/bribe everytime it has been used. Makes the carebears feel safe, but is easily counterable if one has the will to do so.
So instead of sitting outside of stations we'll all be sitting inside a station playing 'let's see who can throw the most money away'. Spreadsheet bid wars doesn't really sound appealing. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
231
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:33:00 -
[64] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Lexmana wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection This! payment options: ISK Doughnuts Shrubberies How about 11% of your income for basic protection(0.5). Gate guns and station guns is extra. And if you want special treatment (1.0) it is even more. And if someone outbids you .... |
Velicitia
Open Designs
680
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 19:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Velicitia wrote:Lexmana wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection This! payment options: ISK Doughnuts Shrubberies How about 11% of your income for basic protection(0.5). Gate guns and station guns is extra. And if you want special treatment (1.0) it is even more.
Gate/Station work anywhere in empire (because, well, that's how it works already) ... so let's not mess with that. "Concord Tax" could work ... but why pay? |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:43:00 -
[66] - Quote
I love this change. =D Might see a revival in high sec corps again, and less folks hanging out in NPC corps. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 19:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Elzon1 wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection Perhaps after insurance there is another option to purchase a faster response time from concord? Maybe even make that have a counter bribe option so a group/individual can prevent the faster response time. Perhaps, maybe even make it a slower than normal response time. And this is no one time fee. You will have to repay the fee/bribe everytime it has been used. Makes the carebears feel safe, but is easily counterable if one has the will to do so. So instead of sitting outside of stations we'll all be sitting inside a station playing 'let's see who can throw the most money away'. Spreadsheet bid wars doesn't really sound appealing.
What is war without calculating risk vs. war?
Answer: TOTALHELLDEATH!!!
The reason TOTALHELLDEATH never really occurs is because stupid only lasts so far as it's resources can take it.
"Spreadsheet bid wars"- Thats pretty much EVE right there. |
Grumpy Owly
281
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection
We do, it's called taxation and presumably escrow charges seeing as it's the SCC who regulate trade.
Technically its not really protection, more disincentivization, due to it being a delayed policing responce to criminal activity as opposed to prevention of criminal activity in the first place.
This since the definition of the word protection applies to keeping something safe, but this isn't the case even with the Concord presence. Nor am I advocating it should be.
But then I'm assuming your criminal mind is simply warping what would be the correct interpretation of the lore in the game for persuasive benefit to the criminal cause as opposed to seeing it for what it is.
Glad to hear war decs are not consensual however. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2902
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:58:00 -
[69] - Quote
Xolve wrote:This thread needs more butt mad npc corp pubbies crying "griefers! griefers!"
FYI you're a pubbie too, as you're not a member of Goonswarm - being their little pet doesn't really count, I'm afraid.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
231
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 19:58:00 -
[70] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Lexmana wrote:Velicitia wrote:Lexmana wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection This! payment options: ISK Doughnuts Shrubberies How about 11% of your income for basic protection(0.5). Gate guns and station guns is extra. And if you want special treatment (1.0) it is even more. Gate/Station work anywhere in empire (because, well, that's how it works already) ... so let's not mess with that. "Concord Tax" could work ... but why pay?
You pay to get your CONCORD sticker you put on your bumper. It is worth a lot for some people. If you don't pay, gate/station guns will look the other way. I expect this to transfer to lowsec aswell.
Also, you can't .01 ISK CONCORD for them to abandon their customer. It is more like double or tripple the original offer.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1072
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:01:00 -
[71] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:CATPAIN KIRK wrote:i think the real jim kirk is dead. just for you're information. You might want to tell that to the "priceline negotiator". (hint, it's the same guy)
He's dead there too, as of the last commercial.
Or to put it another way...
You're dead Jim... again. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
944
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:FYI you're a pubbie too, as you're not a member of Goonswarm - being their little pet doesn't really count, I'm afraid.
Confirming the Goon community only exists in EvE: Online, and nowhere else. We are absolutely not a externally based community on pay-to-play forums. Way to look informative though, :GoonHate:.
:HappySun:
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
44
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:17:00 -
[73] - Quote
hrmm ever since my sec status went down the drain, I've felt like all of eve has been at war with me and i like it. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
111
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 20:22:00 -
[74] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Velicitia wrote:CATPAIN KIRK wrote:i think the real jim kirk is dead. just for you're information. You might want to tell that to the "priceline negotiator". (hint, it's the same guy) He's dead there too, as of the last commercial. Or to put it another way... You're dead Jim... again.
Priceline negotiator is yes, Shatner is doing fine. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:42:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Tuxford, you are my hero! :swoon: |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:49:00 -
[76] - Quote
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Seriously though - "Cat pain" Kirk?
AWW - FECK! I just notcied! |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
278
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 20:50:00 -
[77] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
I so wish this. this is a signature |
Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:02:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
This would be great if it was based on tax rates.
20% tax rate, enjoy your eve. 10% tax rate, lowsec and down you are red to everyone 5% tax rate, don't venture past 0.7 0% tax rate, red to everyone outside of 1.0 systems (red as in wardec red). Profit favors the prepared |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
111
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:06:00 -
[79] - Quote
This thread went from shock to super funny, to making me sad now. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
680
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:07:00 -
[80] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote: Priceline negotiator is yes, Shatner is doing fine.
born 1931 o_O
hard to believe the guy is 80, and still doing things... |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
46
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:18:00 -
[81] - Quote
Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking??
Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?) |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
46
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:20:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right.
lol ban OP for spreading riotous troll threads that next week get impletmented because they are a good idea |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
232
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 21:20:00 -
[83] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?) Consensual wardecs is basically what we have today ... I expect it to change to the better.
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Frontman 242
I Robot Me Tarzan
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:25:00 -
[84] - Quote
Xolve wrote:We are absolutely not a externally based community on pay-to-play forums. U R funny. U dont get pay to play joke. Go home. UR master is calling you. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 21:31:00 -
[85] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?)
So lets say a smacktalking nub enters your mission or mining area, steals all your stuff and suicides your ship. Now lets say you have a good alliance and a lot of good pilots, how are you supposed to get your revenge if he doesn't accept the wardec.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
376
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 21:35:00 -
[86] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. ...I want to believe
Want to go to war with everyone
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Aggressive Nutmeg
121
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:44:00 -
[87] - Quote
CATPAIN KIRK wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Seriously though - "Cat pain" Kirk?
AWW - FECK! I just notcied! notcied? Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
945
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:54:00 -
[88] - Quote
Frontman 242 wrote:Xolve wrote:We are absolutely not a externally based community on pay-to-play forums. U R funny. U dont get pay to play joke. Go home. UR master is calling you.
You remind me of the Russian Tears some pubbie gave me Saturday after I smartbombed his Bestower/Pod and said:
"Me love animals ******* **** mother condom over" Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Sprite Can
77
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Posted - 2012.02.27 22:59:00 -
[89] - Quote
Person A: I heard they're redoing the warden system Person B: would be awesome of wardens had to be mutual Person C: omg someone was talking about wardens requiring mutual agreement? Person D: WAT!? *posts on forum* Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
278
|
Posted - 2012.02.27 23:14:00 -
[90] - Quote
Sprite Can wrote:Person A: I heard they're redoing the wardec system Person B: would be awesome if wardecs had to be mutual Person C: omg someone was talking about wardecs requiring mutual agreement? Person D: WAT!? *posts on forum*
Ohnoes not the wardens systems, what will I do with my minmatar slavefarms now!!11!2
edit: Awww. That's rude, I had your post quoted before it was edited to correct spelling, and still it altered the quote to your edit.. not nice CCP not nice! this is a signature |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1383
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Posted - 2012.02.28 00:25:00 -
[91] - Quote
Xolve wrote:You remind me of the Russian Tears some pubbie gave me Saturday after I smartbombed his Bestower/Pod and said:
"Me love animals ******* **** mother condom over"
Aw, how nice ! You even thought of condoms ! :D Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Sprite Can
78
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Posted - 2012.02.28 00:28:00 -
[92] - Quote
Yeah, I typed that from my phone and it autocorrected all "wardec"s to "warden"s. Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Cpt Syrinx
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
27
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Posted - 2012.02.28 00:37:00 -
[93] - Quote
In the spring of YC 113, peace broke out in New Eden |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
304
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Posted - 2012.02.28 04:10:00 -
[94] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
Like going to watch hockey and a game breaks out in the middle of the fight! Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2012.02.28 04:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
poasting in ccp tuxford thread |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
411
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:22:00 -
[96] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?) Consensual wardecs is basically what we have today ... I expect it to change to the better.
Not really. What we have today is people who know the game mechanics very well beating up on people who don't. Sorta like Genghis Khan running apeshat all over Eurasia. Cept, he never had 10 neut reppers and didn't dock up at the first sign of trouble.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Durie
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?) So lets say a smacktalking nub enters your mission or mining area, steals all your stuff and suicides your ship. Now lets say you have a good alliance and a lot of good pilots, how are you supposed to get your revenge if he doesn't accept the wardec.
Something tells me that he will accept your wardec... |
Toto Zinny
GWA Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:43:00 -
[98] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?)
I agree. Consensual war decks should be the norm especially in high sec. These bored out-of their-brains griefers, have it to easy, and ruin the game for a awful lot of people. Keep the griefing and pvp to low-sec where it belongs, and let the more creative, get on with their game.
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Valentyn3
58
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Posted - 2012.02.28 05:58:00 -
[99] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Priceline negotiator is yes, Shatner is doing fine.
born 1931 o_O hard to believe the guy is 80, and still doing things...
It probably helps to be rich as balls. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:02:00 -
[100] - Quote
Durie wrote:THE L0CK wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Consensual war decks sounds better to me then all the effing griefing & exploiting of the current effed up system in play IMHO... (ie: how can a closed corp be allowed to carry on a wardeck when its impossible for anyone to join it anyways?) So lets say a smacktalking nub enters your mission or mining area, steals all your stuff and suicides your ship. Now lets say you have a good alliance and a lot of good pilots, how are you supposed to get your revenge if he doesn't accept the wardec. Something tells me that he will accept your wardec...
bzzzzt wrong answer! With consensual wardecs a player can grief your corp one at a time and unless you find a way to bait him he may continue to grief you into oblivion without repercussions. If I can think it, you are guaranteed that others will as well. Just remember that the wardec door swings both ways. Thank you and good day. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
30
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
Lovely... Offical Wardec 2.0: Consensual wardecs. unofficial Wardec 2.0: I'm climbing in your window, snatching your orcas up! Hide your bears, hide your miners, and hide your haulers as I'm raping everybody from the inside! (A.K.A corp infiltration)
Edit: and it is free, dosen't take 2 days to execute and the victims are never safe. |
Psychotic Monk
The Hebrew In Me Pinked
93
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:39:00 -
[102] - Quote
Basically what tikktokk said. Cheap ganks is pretty much all I can get anymore. I mean, I'll take the Orcas, sure, but it's not even a little bit as satisfying as an actual war.
Walked into this thread prepared to get really mad and finish the just of leaving the game, but instead am keeping my account running and playing Starcraft, as per usual.
I do hope this **** gets sorted, though. I'd really like to enjoy eve again. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
33
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
Maybe they have to pay money to reject. If that's the case, I see no problem. I support The Mittani for CSM 7 for the whole of EVE, including mining. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
368
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:17:00 -
[104] - Quote
CCP please hand out Black powder 1 shot hand guns with top hats and eye pieces. READY TAKE 10 STEPS TURN AND SHOOT!!! |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
416
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:17:00 -
[105] - Quote
Zagdul wrote: Lets all band together and shoot a monument over a mechanic on the test server.
Yes, this ^^
Shoot the horse before it's out of the stable.
It's a test server for a reason.
Even if implemented, War + Highsec = really ?
It's station games and you don't need wardec for those. Just go watch Jita 4-4 for a while.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
DJ Obsidian
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
1
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:19:00 -
[106] - Quote
I dont think people get the fact that the op is trolling and CCP Tuxford counter trolled.
Also remember TEST SERVER - Which loosely translates to this.
*clears throat*
we are going to put a ton of random **** on here to try out to see how it works. Anything you see on here may or most likely will not make it to the actual game. hence test server.
*points to teh fact that there was once rigs that added a mid slot to a ship and the infamous salvaging drones and ship decloaker module for black ops that all exist but never made it past the test server.* |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
185
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:20:00 -
[107] - Quote
Elzon1 wrote:Well, this thread seems to have a lot *LOL* .... time to add some *SERIOUS*.
War decs are based on concord bribes.
A war deced organization should be able to counter bribe for peace.
You keep going back and forth incrementally until one can't out isk the other.
The only way for the individual to avoid a war dec would be to leave the wardeced corp and join a different one after his personal wardec timer is up.
If a corp wishes to avoid being wardeced it must disband and form under a new banner in a larger, more protective organization (alliance).
But even then they might not have enough isk/resources to fend off a wardec from your organization.
The simplest systems are often the strongest.
Don't whine about not being able to get cheap griefing anymore... if a group is willing to fight you off its going to be costly.
This is actually a very nice solution. I approve. Although I suppose I really shouldn't have a say in the matter, wardecs don't affect me in any way. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
416
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:30:00 -
[108] - Quote
Tuxford has a sense of humour, who would have believed that eh?
Baiting some of you is like clubbing baby seals. You have to be unbelievably gullible to believe everything you read in these forums.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Valentyn3
60
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:48:00 -
[109] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Tuxford has a sense of humour, who would have believed that eh?
Baiting some of you is like clubbing baby seals. You have to be unbelievably gullible to believe everything you read in these forums.
Everything on the internet is 100% factual until disproven by someone with no authority on the subject.
That's interwebs 101 right there. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg I used to have an avatar background like you but then I took a 404 filenotfound in the knee. |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
62
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Posted - 2012.02.28 08:15:00 -
[110] - Quote
I agree, make high war decs consensual. But change high sec to only be 0.9 and above Follow my Adventures in New Eden! http://www.skorpiuschronicles.com/
Baa Means Baa! |
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
79
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Posted - 2012.02.28 08:45:00 -
[111] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
CCP trolls best rolls :P |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
64
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Posted - 2012.02.28 08:59:00 -
[112] - Quote
Finaly hi-sec huggers like Moar Tears or Orphanage will be forced to do real PVP (On second thought i dont think they know what PVP is) |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit The Nest Alliance
159
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Posted - 2012.02.28 09:18:00 -
[113] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Lexmana wrote:Andski wrote:make concord mercenaries
you buy their protection This! payment options: ISK Doughnuts Shrubberies
Fixed it for ya!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.28 09:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
I heard that CCP talking about changing war decs was just the setup for an epic April fools day prank where they'd troll us with consensual war decs.
Now that its been ruined CCP actually has to work on making an old boring mechanic become fun somehow. GL CCP. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
238
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
Dev-troll = best troll I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
238
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:15:00 -
[116] - Quote
CATPAIN KIRK wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. don't you thnick thats helps greifers too much? also, do we haev to pay iskies to declare peace? why does ccp always make the game easier for greifers? me and my m8s will quit if you do that - add pvp arenas instead so the greifers can greif each other and leave us alone.
1/10: Keep practising.
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
171
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Posted - 2012.02.28 11:21:00 -
[117] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
I hope this is fact and not just troll... "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.02.28 12:42:00 -
[118] - Quote
EDIT: Ignore this message |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
294
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Posted - 2012.02.28 12:56:00 -
[119] - Quote
BeanBagKing wrote:First CCP Punkturis, now CCP Tuxford. I don't know what's gotten into you guys since the Crucible turnaround, but I like it. +10,000
Devs/GM's trolling the trolls/best Devs/GM's!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 13:10:00 -
[120] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Hes picking a sisi downtime to spread wild rumors. One would bloody hope so, because a consensual requirement for wardecs would essentially mean that highsec would have to be removedGǪ
Sorry what? Highsec would need to be removed just because of this. LOL. So you assume highsec exists only for the use of war decs? Really?
Perhaps you should learn to pvp for real, in low sec or null, instead of being lame and picking on people that cannot fight back, or just easy targets for your pathetic ego.
or in other words Grow a pair...
As for the mechanic, I doubt thats right. If it is then might as well remove war decs altogether. War decs are so full of problems I think its best just to remove it anyway. If you want to pvp then do it proper (as per statement above) Then perhaps low sec whould be more interesting - oh wait thats why you should join FW! |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2903
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Posted - 2012.02.28 13:54:00 -
[121] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Bumblefck wrote:FYI you're a pubbie too, as you're not a member of Goonswarm - being their little pet doesn't really count, I'm afraid. Confirming the Goon community only exists in EvE: Online, and nowhere else. We are absolutely not a externally based community on pay-to-play forums. Way to look informative though, :GoonHate:. :HappySun:
Indeed, however as we can only really go on what our corp tickers says, I must also stop right there and tell you that I am the bastard child of Mahatma Gandhi and Robocop.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
294
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:38:00 -
[122] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:I heard that CCP talking about changing war decs was just the setup for an epic April fools day prank where they'd troll us with consensual war decs.
Now that its been ruined CCP actually has to work on making an old boring mechanic become fun somehow. GL CCP. April Fools Day Joke: Reset *ALL* space to 0.0 for 24 hours at downtime...
April 2nd April Fools Day Joke: Reset servers to April 1st....
lilol' me wrote:Also how the hell can you be at war WITH EVERYONE in the universe. Thats just stupid. Basically your saying everywhere becomes an instant warzone. Thats surely a troll.. No one will go anywhere or do anything bye bye eve. Its got to be a troll Hi-Sec = "safer" Hi-Sec =/= "Safe"
As to how you can be at war with everyone? Move to Wormholes. If it ain't your corp/alliance, it's a target.
Bye the way, we get around just fine, thanks.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
574
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:51:00 -
[123] - Quote
How is this thread not locked yet? OP was a blatant troll and liar and identified as such, and now it's just pointless bickering and beating of dead horses. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
294
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:53:00 -
[124] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:How is this thread not locked yet? OP was a blatant troll and liar and identified as such, and now it's just pointless bickering and beating of dead horses. Because it's also the thread where Devs trolledlolololol?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Velicitia
Open Designs
686
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:55:00 -
[125] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:How is this thread not locked yet? OP was a blatant troll and liar and identified as such, and now it's just pointless bickering and beating of dead horses.
so, pretty much, it's every other post on the forums |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5085
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:03:00 -
[126] - Quote
lilol' me wrote:Sorry what? Highsec would need to be removed just because of this. LOL. Yes. If wardecs were ever to be made consensual-only, highsec would have to be removed for the simple reason that if it remained in the game, industrial and economic warfare would no longer be possible.
Quote:So you assume highsec exists only for the use of war decs? Really? Non sequitur, so no. It's not that highsec exists only for wardecs; it's that wardecs exists as a different payment scheme for highsec aggression, and that aggression needs to always exist in order for the market and the conflict over resources and production to work properly. Sure, you could remove non-consensual wardecs, but then you'd have to remove the resources and production facilities (and quite possibly the market too) from those consensual-pvp areas as well to ensure that they are still very much open for attack (only now it's in low and null, where you can attack them regardless). With all of that removed, what's left of highsec that's worth keeping? A few stations with no services GÇö you might as well remove it all.
Quote:Perhaps you should learn to pvp for real, in low sec or null GǪexcept that pvp has nothing to do with being in low or null GÇö pvp is everywhere. Highsec is just as much of a pvp arena as the rest of the game, so no, leaving highsec just to shoot stuff is and never should be a necessity. People who can't fight back should learn to fight back (or to employ evasion and security techniques that let them stay alive in spite of the dangerous environment). They've chosen to play a pvp-centric game where non-consensual pvp in all its forms is one of the cornerstones that makes the whole thing work GÇö perhaps they should learn to deal with that factGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
19
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:32:00 -
[127] - Quote
0oO0oOoOo0o wrote:
??? This is crazy. Do you like to kill EVE ??? If the players liked a system like that, where they can be attacked by others without CONCORD interference, they'd live in lowsec or 0.0. Yet the vast majority of players lives in highsec, as proven by various QEN-Reports or a simple look on the map at any time. Means you are going to FORCE people into something that already exists but is not wanted. What do you think will happen with the amount of players online and the subscriptions ? It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that.
LOL...you have confirmed yourself dumb. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:32:00 -
[128] - Quote
Tippia wrote:lilol' me wrote:Sorry what? Highsec would need to be removed just because of this. LOL. Yes. If wardecs were ever to be made consensual-only, highsec would have to be removed for the simple reason that if it remained in the game, industrial and economic warfare would no longer be possible. Quote:So you assume highsec exists only for the use of war decs? Really? Non sequitur, so no. It's not that highsec exists only for wardecs; it's that wardecs exists as a different payment scheme for highsec aggression, and that aggression needs to always exist in order for the market and the conflict over resources and production to work properly. Sure, you could remove non-consensual wardecs, but then you'd have to remove the resources and production facilities (and quite possibly the market too) from those consensual-pvp areas as well to ensure that they are still very much open for attack (only now it's in low and null, where you can attack them regardless). With all of that removed, what's left of highsec that's worth keeping? A few stations with no services GÇö you might as well remove it all. Quote:Perhaps you should learn to pvp for real, in low sec or null GǪexcept that pvp has nothing to do with being in low or null GÇö pvp is everywhere. Highsec is just as much of a pvp arena as the rest of the game, so no, leaving highsec just to shoot stuff is and never should be a necessity. People who can't fight back should learn to fight back (or to employ evasion and security techniques that let them stay alive in spite of the dangerous environment). They've chosen to play a pvp-centric game where non-consensual pvp in all its forms is one of the cornerstones that makes the whole thing work GÇö perhaps they should learn to deal with that factGǪ
Sorry, why should they be 'forced' to fight back? This a sandbox isnt it? where people can choose their own paths? Eve is not a PVP centric game at all. I mean look at the state of PVP. Some of those professions CCP clearly states is Mining, Manufacturing how is this PVP centric? Its not.. Yes I do agree it shouldnt be without its risks, completely risk free rewards isnt right. However maybe thats the issue, the rewards in highsec need to be very very basic, so that its not really worth staying in highsec to really progress. Its like any MMO you are slowly moved up the ladder. Super easy at first, with very little rewards, but as you progress you get thrown into more hostile situations. Usual Risk Vs Reward scenario. Highsec should not be about war decs and pvp. It should be like training grounds. Yes have the hubs etc etc but for actually making isk, or building etc then it should be severely limited. So basically anything gained in highsec is really of little value. This is how it should really be.
If you then want to pvp proper, low sec and nullsec should be those areas to do that in. Better resources, isk making etc, but a bit more risk. Thats where things like FW comes in. I do not agree that people who join FW should be allowed to potter about in highsec. Whats that all about? You consensually join a war milita ( this is where consensual combat does happen) but yet you are allowed to be safe in empire? Thats wrong. They should remove the navy police. if you are in a war militia then you should be able to be shot by the opposite guys anywhere and not be protected. You joined a war now deal with it,
The problem is new players cannot cope with being ganked etc, and why should they. I bet when you first played you knew nothing about eve and whats going on and how it works etc. But yet you expect new players to now? This is why new players are not staying in the game. Now you might say well this is eve, yes fine, but if you want eve to survive then whats going to happen when all the bitter vets have gone? Nothing to fill the void. There is no point having that bitter vet attitude. Infact you should be trying to get more people in the game and staying, rather than thinking about your own sandbox. Because thats what you are doing. Thinking about yourself.
War decs just seem a nightmare. You get the lame pvpers who grief and cant really pvp, and you get highseccers complaining because they cant do anything about it.
FW is the consensual combat if ppl want to pvp and basically get free wars then this should be the way to go, but also open up highsec (meaning remove the boundaries and police) If you are in war you are in war simple. If you want to grief cos you are lame then this shouldnt happen either, because basically you complain highseccers stay in highsec, but yet its ok for the griefers to stay in highsec for pvp? double standards much...
so TLDR
Highsec should be severely limited, in resources, missions etc, even cut down the number of systems in highsec. Thus limiting the actually amount of resources available too. i also mean severely limit the 'value' of resources in highsec. Make it more into a training grounds. If people want to move on in the game then they need to more to lowsec/nullsec So for instance remove 50% of of highsec systems, make them new low sec regions.Whats left of highsec make the value of anything much much lower in isk wise. Remove ability to build anything bigger than a frigate. Stuff like that. Missions will only have level 1/2 agents. Really basic, learning, isk making.
Low sec is basically where the consensual PVP Happens (Faction Warfare) - Essentially free war decs. Either dont allow people in FW to go into highsec, or open up highsec so they are not protected by boundaries and navy police. Better resources, and value of commodities found here, ability to build more
You get my drift...
Remove war decs completely.. Nullsec well thats another story
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Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
41
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Posted - 2012.02.28 16:44:00 -
[129] - Quote
when i first read the OP, i thought "whaaaat???!??" But i continued reading and was calmed down.
Althoug being a carebear myself , i would dislike the removal of wardecs in high sec. I like the challenge. There are enough possibilies to cope with wardecs, even if you hate them.
One of the simplest one is: got yourself a character, which is in a NPC corporation and do critical stuff with that one. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5086
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:02:00 -
[130] - Quote
lilol' me wrote:Sorry, why should they be 'forced' to fight back? Who said they should? I said they should learn to fight back or learn to employ the evasion and security techniques needed to survive. Since it's a sandbox, they can choose their own path. Since it's a sandbox, they they can't choose (and should never be able to choose) is what actions are available to others in trying to attack them.
Quote:Eve is not a PVP centric game at all. GǪaside from everything in it being PvP. With two very small exceptions, everything you do is done in conflict with or competition with other players GÇö PvP. Manufacturing, for instance, is one of the more vicious PvP arenas the game offers due to the availability of (mainly) research space and the constant struggle to improve your margins over the other guy through the use of that research. It also feeds directly into the most vicious PvP arena GÇö the market. If you are a manufacturer, you are also, inevitably, a market PvPer.
Quote:Highsec should not be about war decs and pvp. Sure it should, for the simple reason that the rest of the game is. You can't GÇ£train forGÇ¥ wardecs and PvP in an area where neither exists. Highsec is not a training ground GÇö it's just the ground floor where you can engage in your chosen form of PvP under more easily controlled circumstances. The training grounds you talk about already exist, and they already have the limits you want to see.
Quote:The problem is new players cannot cope with being ganked etc, and why should they. bet when you first played you knew nothing about eve and whats going on and how it works etc. But yet you expect new players to now? Sure they can. They don't have much to lose at that point, and in spite of the persistent cries of Gǣthink of the newbiesGǥ (largely from people who aren't newbies when they're getting gankedGǪ) I have seen precious little to suggest that this supposed scourge of the new player actually exists. So even if they can't cope with it, the actual question is do they need to cope with it?
When I first played, I understood that EVE was not your standard MMO and that it was, in fact, a rather dangerous place. As a result, I took the time to learn basic security behaviour to minimise my risks as I learned how everything else worked. This let my come away from my first year with exactly one attempted (and hilariously failed) ganking attack. It's not hard. It is, in fact, very very easy. It also has exactly nothing to do with being new and everything to do with having the false notion that EVE is like all those other PvE-based grindfests out there. That's what kills new players and make them quit: their assumptions, preconceptions, and refusal to give up both and learn.
Quote:Infact you should be trying to get more people in the game and staying, rather than thinking about your own sandbox. Because thats what you are doing. Thinking about yourself. In what way am I thinking about myself? I'm using myself as an example of why newbies doesn't have it nearly as bad as people want to claim they do. When I joined, the newbie game was a lot more opaque and uninformative than it is now, and yet, survival, learning, and progress was ridiculously easy.
The undock button is the consensual combat switch. Highsec is not a pvp-free zone, nor should it be (because that just means highsec can safely be removed from the game as it no longer serves any useful purpose). These are the very simply ground rules a new player needs to understand from day one, rather than clinging to unfounded expectations based on completely different games. If they do that, the rest will be easy as hell and they won't need any special training grounds. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:03:00 -
[131] - Quote
lilol' me wrote: Sorry, why should they be 'forced' to fight back? This a sandbox isnt it? where people can choose their own paths?
Yes it is. My path is to hang out in high sec, ninja loot missions, and attack highsec bears. I enjoy the sand, don't you?
lilol' me wrote:Eve is not a PVP centric game at all. I mean look at the state of PVP. Some of those professions CCP clearly states is Mining, Manufacturing how is this PVP centric? Its not..
You are still competing with other miners and manufacturers. You want people to buy your product right? It's just bonus if their goods get blown up along the way.
lilol' me wrote:Yes I do agree it shouldnt be without its risks, completely risk free rewards isnt right. However maybe thats the issue, the rewards in highsec need to be very very basic, so that its not really worth staying in highsec to really progress. Its like any MMO you are slowly moved up the ladder. Super easy at first, with very little rewards, but as you progress you get thrown into more hostile situations. Usual Risk Vs Reward scenario. Highsec should not be about war decs and pvp. It should be like training grounds. Yes have the hubs etc etc but for actually making isk, or building etc then it should be severely limited. So basically anything gained in highsec is really of little value. This is how it should really be.
Moving up a ladder is a linear progression. Point A to point B in a straight line. This game is a sandbox, remember? We can move in any direction we so desire. These paragraphs basically trump everything you have written above it. You first state that people should be able to do what they want and now you say that we should be learning the basics in high sec to progress to the outer rim. I thought this was a game about player choice.
lilol' me wrote:If you then want to pvp proper, low sec and nullsec should be those areas to do that in. Better resources, isk making etc, but a bit more risk. Thats where things like FW comes in. I do not agree that people who join FW should be allowed to potter about in highsec. Whats that all about? You consensually join a war milita ( this is where consensual combat does happen) but yet you are allowed to be safe in empire? Thats wrong. They should remove the navy police. if you are in a war militia then you should be able to be shot by the opposite guys anywhere and not be protected. You joined a war now deal with it,
The problem is new players cannot cope with being ganked etc, and why should they. I bet when you first played you knew nothing about eve and whats going on and how it works etc. But yet you expect new players to now? This is why new players are not staying in the game. Now you might say well this is eve, yes fine, but if you want eve to survive then whats going to happen when all the bitter vets have gone? Nothing to fill the void. There is no point having that bitter vet attitude. Infact you should be trying to get more people in the game and staying, rather than thinking about your own sandbox. Because thats what you are doing. Thinking about yourself.
Who said some of us wanted this so called proper pvp? And who said we wanted to join a militia? For a person who promoted sandboxxy feelings in their first paragraph, you sure seem bent on telling us to go in a direction we don't care about. I also notice that you seem to think that high sec is only new players, and that new players apparently don't go to low sec. It also appears that new players are completely clueless when they enter the game and that our new player experiences were somehow different. When I was new I was can baited, scanned out, attacked. I learned from it and learned how to do it. Whats stopping a new player from doing the same?
lilol' me wrote:War decs just seem a nightmare. You get the lame pvpers who grief and cant really pvp, and you get highseccers complaining because they cant do anything about it.
FW is the consensual combat if ppl want to pvp and basically get free wars then this should be the way to go, but also open up highsec (meaning remove the boundaries and police) If you are in war you are in war simple. If you want to grief cos you are lame then this shouldnt happen either, because basically you complain highseccers stay in highsec, but yet its ok for the griefers to stay in highsec for pvp? double standards much...
Why can't highseccer's do anything about it? Are they incapable of learning how to use guns? Is there a power stopping them from contacting mercenaries? Is there a force preventing them from forming alliances making wars more costly? Do they not know about Decshield Alliance? Honestly, what is it that they can't do? So you note that this game is sandbox, and then promptly tell us that we should be moving in a linear'ish path straight for low sec to play by some system that you have set up rather than do what we want to do. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Valei Khurelem
393
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
Quote:Why can't highseccer's do anything about it? Are they incapable of learning how to use guns? Is there a power stopping them from contacting mercenaries?
It's called:
. Having a life and not wanting to spend several hours dealing with some silly twats on the internet who think it's funny to grief other players
. Not wanting to go and pick fights they know they can't win because they do PvE or Industry more
. Knowing that the game is rigged and even if that griefer is only in a one man corp he might have 7 of his friends hiding ready to take your corp members out
. They'll inevitably also be in a 30+ corporation so you're either going to be forced to disband or recruit far more players than you originally wanted to if they're actually serious about attacking
This is a ******* sandbox so quit trying to force someone elses playstyle on another just because you're bored you ******* muppets you always cry about players trying to change your game yet you go around griefing players constantly for their playstyle and then wonder why they're quitting or disbanding their corporations.
None of this would be happening if wardecs were consentual and that's a fact, all the current wardec system does is cater to lazy ass PvPers who are too cowardly to pick a fight with someone they might actually lose against.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
679
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:15:00 -
[133] - Quote
Everything past page 2 is evidence that CCP need to troll the NPC corp ship toasters a *lot more often.* - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
55
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:15:00 -
[134] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote: Garbage
Why is it every time I read one of your post's I need to take an Ibuprofen? |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
679
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:16:00 -
[135] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:. Having a life and not wanting to spend several hours dealing with some silly twats on the internet who think it's funny to grief other players
HAH you think playing a PVP game and not taking part in the PVP is having a life?
Good one. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Saphinite
The Citadel Group Sentinel Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:16:00 -
[136] - Quote
You know Tuxford might be on to something with the whole create a corp and at war with everyone. What about a new type of corp (well call it Pvp corp) That once made you are constantly at war with every other corp of the same type (pvp corp) that exists and no matter where you are you can shoot at their members and vice versa. Allow standard war decs to apply as well so that if a pvp corp wants to dec a normal corp they can with the same mechanics that exist today.
I dont know if Pvpers would like something like that but who knows it kinda sounds fun
Just a note the Pvp corp would be completly different than normal corps and their would be no switching back and forth. And you might have to add some fourm of timer for leaving a pvp corp. Like takes 3 days to leave and once you do you cant join another pvp corp for a week or something. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:24:00 -
[137] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Why can't highseccer's do anything about it? Are they incapable of learning how to use guns? Is there a power stopping them from contacting mercenaries? It's called: . Having a life and not wanting to spend several hours dealing with some silly twats on the internet who think it's funny to grief other players . Not wanting to go and pick fights they know they can't win because they do PvE or Industry more . Knowing that the game is rigged and even if that griefer is only in a one man corp he might have 7 of his friends hiding ready to take your corp members out . They'll inevitably also be in a 30+ corporation so you're either going to be forced to disband or recruit far more players than you originally wanted to if they're actually serious about attacking This is a ******* sandbox so quit trying to force someone elses playstyle on another just because you're bored you ******* muppets you always cry about players trying to change your game yet you go around griefing players constantly for their playstyle and then wonder why they're quitting or disbanding their corporations. None of this would be happening if wardecs were consentual and that's a fact, all the current wardec system does is cater to lazy ass PvPers who are too cowardly to pick a fight with someone they might actually lose against.
You sound mad bro.
I'm not forcing my playstyle on anybody. I am playing the game how I want to play. The fact that my playstyle happens to intersect with other players is just natural taking that this is an mmo.
I don't cry about anyone leaving this game. Most people that I intersect with I may meet only once or twice in the game during the whole time I am on. Unless our encounter is something special I'll most likely forget about them entirely and find somebody new. I mean my home system alone has 800+ people for me to interact with. It's going to take a while.
By the way I couldn't help but notice that you specifically erased some of the options I laid out as a defense against gankers and griefers. Whats the matter, am I stopping you from looking as defenseless as you want to portray on us? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5088
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:25:00 -
[138] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:It's called: GǪnot wanting to do anything about it, which is vastly different from not being able to do anything about it. There is plenty they can do GÇö they just choose not to.
Quote:This is a ******* sandbox Exactly. So quit trying to circumscribe what someone else can do just because you can't deal with their playstyle. Being a sandbox doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want. It means everyone can do whatever they want, including things you do not like.
Beyond that, it's not just a sandbox GÇö it's a sandbox built around a market fed by the destruction/production cycle of a war economy. Things blowing up and being replaced is what keeps the entire universe going, and competition over the resources and production chains is a key component in this struggle.
Quote:None of this would be happening if wardecs were consentual and that's a fact Quite correct. If wardecs were consensual, highsec would have no purpose to exist, and none of this silly GÇ£onoz, I wasn't safe in highsec GÇö fix it!GÇ¥ whining would happen because people would never come to such a silly and false conclusion as there being such a thing as safe space. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
686
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Posted - 2012.02.28 17:26:00 -
[139] - Quote
lilol' me wrote: Sorry, why should they be 'forced' to fight back? This a sandbox isnt it? where people can choose their own paths? Eve is not a PVP centric game at all. I mean look at the state of PVP. Some of those professions CCP clearly states is Mining, Manufacturing how is this PVP centric? Its not..
Mining/Mfg is "background" PvP. It's not shooting each other in the face ... but a group that has a solid industry base (or supply lines) will win in a conflict. However, it is in no way "PvE".
If wardecs are removed from HS, then it will make it even more of a carebear wonderland than it already is. Seriously, people will mine/manufacture/move stuff in near complete immunity (especially now, since insurance for concordokken has been removed).
IF CCP went full ****** and took out HS warfare, then they had damn well better follow it with the removal of HS POS too ...
edit -- clarity |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
372
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:47:00 -
[140] - Quote
Saphinite wrote:You know Tuxford might be on to something with the whole create a corp and at war with everyone. What about a new type of corp (well call it Pvp corp) That once made you are constantly at war with every other corp of the same type (pvp corp) that exists and no matter where you are you can shoot at their members and vice versa. Allow standard war decs to apply as well so that if a pvp corp wants to dec a normal corp they can with the same mechanics that exist today.
I dont know if Pvpers would like something like that but who knows it kinda sounds fun
Just a note the Pvp corp would be completly different than normal corps and their would be no switching back and forth. And you might have to add some fourm of timer for leaving a pvp corp. Like takes 3 days to leave and once you do you cant join another pvp corp for a week or something. Global RvB flag in empire for corps by choice? Not a horrible idea. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
21
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:11:00 -
[141] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
It costs AUR to declare peace? |
Lord Wiggin
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:17:00 -
[142] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right.
I'm not sure is this is funny or scary....
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
504
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:32:00 -
[143] - Quote
After all the trolling and posturing, has anyone actually checked Sisi to see if there has been any change to the war dec mechanic at all? (My guess: No, there has not). I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
574
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Posted - 2012.02.28 19:51:00 -
[144] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:After all the trolling and posturing, has anyone actually checked Sisi to see if there has been any change to the war dec mechanic at all? (My guess: No, there has not). No mention of anything on the testing forums other than people whining about how people are not able to use SiSi as their personal playground because of mirrors happening too often, so...
No, there has not. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Toxina Trooper
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:53:00 -
[145] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote: In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace.
+1 |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
109
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:56:00 -
[146] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. "Declare peace functionality may be broken"? You're not sure if you can declare peace or not? Good thing you're only testing it on SiSi at the moment. I sure would hate to see this game mechanic suddenly being activated on TQ. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
294
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:10:00 -
[147] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:It's called:
. Having a life and not wanting to spend several hours dealing with some silly twats on the internet who think it's funny to grief other players . Not wanting to go and pick fights they know they can't win because they do PvE or Industry more Merc's would be happy to do this for you.
See above
Valei Khurelem wrote:. Knowing that the game is rigged and even if that griefer is only in a one man corp he might have 7 of his friends hiding ready to take your corp members out a) only if you let it be b)Greifing is petitionable - only certain things are greifing per/ccp - CCP made it this way, I'm betting they know about it. c) don't fly what you can't afford to lose and have fun doing it.
In *MY* experience, if you go out and attack them with rifters, etc., they will, after a time, leave and be on their way. If you talk **** in local - they will come after you more. Why? Because you talk **** in local...
Valei Khurelem wrote:. They'll inevitably also be in a 30+ corporation so you're either going to be forced to disband or recruit far more players than you originally wanted to if they're actually serious about attacking Go to a wormhole for a week - most (read: not all) won't follow.
Valei Khurelem wrote:This is a ******* sandbox so quit trying to force someone elses playstyle on another just because you're bored you ******* muppets you always cry about players trying to change your game yet you go around griefing players constantly for their playstyle and then wonder why they're quitting or disbanding their corporations. It is a sandbox, CCP made, and CCP outlined. Hi-Sec wars are part of the outline that we *all* play in. Valei, we have a new expansion coming out (Inferno), in which I've heard that CCP is taking a look at the "crime-watch" code (the code that governs aggression and crime). Keep an eye on the expansion to see where CCP is going with this. Either a *FURTHER* endorsement of blowing **** up, or an endorsement of what you want - a place to play where no-one can bother you. I know which way I'm placing my money.
Again - greifing is defined by CCP, and CCP does *NOT* consider blowing players ships up in Hi-Sec griefing.
Valei Khurelem wrote:None of this would be happening if wardecs were consentual and that's a fact, all the current wardec system does is cater to lazy ass PvPers who are too cowardly to pick a fight with someone they might actually lose against. Actually, the "current" war-dec mechanics cater to people who don't want to fight, and can spend money on utilising the mechanics to avoid war.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
294
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Posted - 2012.02.28 22:11:00 -
[148] - Quote
Anshio Tamark wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. "Declare peace functionality may be broken"? You're not sure if you can declare peace or not? Good thing you're only testing it on SiSi at the moment. I sure would hate to see this game mechanic suddenly being activated on TQ. Got another one...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
154
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:06:00 -
[149] - Quote
(singing) "All we are saying, is give Chance a piece!" Buff Hybrid Guns!!!! |
Liam Mirren
298
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:24:00 -
[150] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
Tuxford for CSM.
(just don't give him any important buttons to press). Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.02.29 00:29:00 -
[151] - Quote
Anshio Tamark wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. "Declare peace functionality may be broken"? You're not sure if you can declare peace or not? Good thing you're only testing it on SiSi at the moment. I sure would hate to see this game mechanic suddenly being activated on TQ.
Swing and a miss. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg I used to have an avatar background like you but then I took a 404 filenotfound in the knee. |
AureoBroker
Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium
8
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:02:00 -
[152] - Quote
Really, for anyone who thinks war is consensual - study history. If someone wants your loot, you don't politely decline a war. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
130
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:25:00 -
[153] - Quote
Posting in the best troll thread ive seen in a long time :) |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
403
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:33:00 -
[154] - Quote
good tbh if true. atm war decs are not workings as intended, they are just used to grief. granted this measure is a little extreme, i think they should just multiply the wardec price by 10.
they could also do some elaborate system where the average security level of the corp being decced accounts for the war dec price.
I hope this isn't a lie, because if it isn't at least ccp is seeing that war decs atm need a change. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
403
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:35:00 -
[155] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
server will shutdown in 20 seconds. |
Bent Barrel
30
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:26:00 -
[156] - Quote
OP found out there is a "make mutual" option on the right click menu ? By the sound of it, he found the right click menu for the first time ... |
Plaude Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:43:00 -
[157] - Quote
Let's looks at real-life examples of how wars work. Did the Japanese ask the US if it was okay to attack one of the biggest naval bases in the US? Not as far as I know. Did the US ask the Japanese if it was okay to test a new Weapon of Mass Destruction over a Japanese town? Not as far as I know. Did the US ask if it was okay to invade Iraq? Not as far as I know. So do Capsuleers really need to ask "Can we kill your POS?" before doing it? The attacked ones can just take down their tower and store it in the station while the war is going on. And if they're miners, they probably won't notice it because chances are they're bots (though I know a few people who mine manually). |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
777
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:21:00 -
[158] - Quote
Moar woar
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Keno Skir
91
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:32:00 -
[159] - Quote
0oO0oOoOo0o wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. ??? This is crazy. Do you like to kill EVE ??? If the players liked a system like that, where they can be attacked by others without CONCORD interference, they'd live in lowsec or 0.0. Yet the vast majority of players lives in highsec, as proven by various QEN-Reports or a simple look on the map at any time. Means you are going to FORCE people into something that already exists but is not wanted. What do you think will happen with the amount of players online and the subscriptions ? It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that.
You tit, honestly you need several pinches of salt with that mate...
Anyway, wouldnt it solve the problem almost completely just to raise the cost of wardecs? 2mil is chicken change to any corp more than a month old. 10mil a week which doubles for each additional war (10-20-40-80-160mil a week for 5 concurrent wars) sounds more on target off the top of my head.
While most corps could still afford this if necessary, i think it would cut down on highsec griefers targeting newbie corps for next to no gain.
^ oppinion ;) ^ The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:29:00 -
[160] - Quote
Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking??
Ohhh, noooo. That means you can't seek out easy indy and noob corps and wardec them. If you didn't "SUCK" so bad at pvp you could go to lowsec, nullsec, wormholes, or militia and find plenty.
But hi sec wars are only used by people that are to pathetic to find targets that can shoot back.
They want indy targets, that have little or no skill points in gunnery, and war ships.
You are the most pathetic individuals in this game. |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
686
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:34:00 -
[161] - Quote
This thread delivers. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:36:00 -
[162] - Quote
This is an outrage. ccp finally caved to peer pressure. |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:39:00 -
[163] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:This is an outrage. ccp finally caved to peer pressure.
awww, poor baby. Maybe you shouldn't suck so bad and go find someone that can shoot back.
But you do and I guess if you suck you suck. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
270
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Posted - 2012.03.20 17:54:00 -
[164] - Quote
Anshio Tamark wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken. "Declare peace functionality may be broken"? You're not sure if you can declare peace or not? Good thing you're only testing it on SiSi at the moment. I sure would hate to see this game mechanic suddenly being activated on TQ.
They just haven't bothered trying yet WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
138
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:21:00 -
[165] - Quote
Lane Shift wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Ohhh, noooo. That means you can't seek out easy indy and noob corps and wardec them. If you didn't "SUCK" so bad at pvp you could go to lowsec, nullsec, wormholes, or militia and find plenty. But hi sec wars are only used by people that are to pathetic to find targets that can shoot back. They want indy targets, that have little or no skill points in gunnery, and war ships. You are the most pathetic individuals in this game.
Not only did you necro a month old thread, you blatantly fell for the troll even though it was ousted very early on in the thread. -2 points for you sir. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
179
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:22:00 -
[166] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Lane Shift wrote:Chiggy W wrote:Well, it seems that CCP are testing the new wardec mechanics on Sisi right now, and it doesn't look good. All high sec wars have to consensual between the two parties. IE Corp A dec's corp B, and the war only goes live is corp B agrees to it. This is so $1000-pant's-on-insane that I really hope it's a joke. Seriously CCP, the removal of non-consensual wardecs in Eve? What are you guys smoking?? Ohhh, noooo. That means you can't seek out easy indy and noob corps and wardec them. If you didn't "SUCK" so bad at pvp you could go to lowsec, nullsec, wormholes, or militia and find plenty. But hi sec wars are only used by people that are to pathetic to find targets that can shoot back. They want indy targets, that have little or no skill points in gunnery, and war ships. You are the most pathetic individuals in this game. Not only did you necro a month old thread, you blatantly fell for the troll even though it was ousted very early on in the thread. -2 points for you sir.
Don't forget the deductions for style. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
894
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:35:00 -
[167] - Quote
Lane Shift wrote:But hi sec wars are only used by people that are to pathetic to find targets that can shoot back.
They want indy targets, that have little or no skill points in gunnery, and war ships
Yeah, you're not that bright are you.
Firstly, most highsec residents are mission runners / Incursion runners and have loads of SP in all the same skills you need to PVP. Train propulsion jamming and you're set :) Specifically Industrial specced characters are largely alts.
Also, your base assumption is wrong. Anyone wardeccing in highsec is looking for "warships" to shoot; because the pilots are usually terrible and its hilarious. Industrial characters usually never undock. Those that do are largely in the "my minerals are free if I mine them!" camp and deserve to be exploded.
It doesn't matter whether you think they are bad people are not, part of eve being a sandbox allows them the ability to do it. Adapt or die. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
894
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:38:00 -
[168] - Quote
Finally, are you SURE you want your argument to be "we're bad at the game, so please please be nice to us" ? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
43
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Posted - 2012.03.20 18:41:00 -
[169] - Quote
CATPAIN KIRK wrote:baltec1 wrote:Good sir, you are no jim kirk and that sarcasm was bad Huh? Does that mean you teling me I'm not jim kirk was bad sacrasm? igdi but no - i'm not realy jim kirk. i'm just a guy playing eve and named myself after him. i think the real jim kirk is dead. just for you're information.
No he's only dead in a few universes. You unfortunately, are alive and breeding in ours.... |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
178
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:05:00 -
[170] - Quote
Arguing with Tippia is the definition of futility. |
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
32
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:30:00 -
[171] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
We do not joke about something this important, mister! Internet spaceships are serious business!
Still I'd imagine it'd be awesome... http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
84
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:21:00 -
[172] - Quote
Brotha Umad wrote:Yay ! Now I can recruit again for my empire corp, without bothering to teach newbs how to play pvp. Thanks CCP !
Seriously, if it comes to this, just remove wardecs, they'll be useless. Alternatively, raise the price for a non-consensual war (the current prices date back to an era when isk were flowing less). And make consensual wars free...
By the current rules war decks in hi sec are already useless |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
122
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:10:00 -
[173] - Quote
Closer to being real than most people think.
Defender favored wardec mechanics inbound! |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
8
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:00:00 -
[174] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:
You pay to get your CONCORD sticker you put on your bumper. It is worth a lot for some people. If you don't pay, gate/station guns will look the other way. I expect this to transfer to lowsec aswell.
Also, you can't .01 ISK CONCORD for them to abandon their customer. It is more like double or tripple the original offer.
Sort of like buyhing tickets to the Concord Annual Ball.
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
54
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:27:00 -
[175] - Quote
Make carebears invulnerable Swap playerbase for cashjuicy kiddies Introduce NeX store advantages Swap payment model to Pay To Win. Make youtube video that slaps us all in the face for thinking we could beat Hilmar's Dream. Profit. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1606
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:11:00 -
[176] - Quote
Those at Fanfest should attend the War Dec presentation and roundtable! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:25:00 -
[177] - Quote
can someone actually give us the details of the new mechanism instead of trolling the living day light out of our souls? |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1606
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:27:00 -
[178] - Quote
it will be presented in the presentation at fanfest! I promise! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:45:00 -
[179] - Quote
so, I no get details until I either come to or watch the fanfest? Well, if that's the case, fanfest is just a few days away... also, help me get my 10bil from this fraud of a guy that took my isk and has refused to send me the character I paid for while you are at it. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
466
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:47:00 -
[180] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:it will be presented in the presentation at fanfest! I promise!
CCP should be banned from delivering news at Fanfest, Twitter, external media like TenTon etc. You should just stick to your loyal customerbase at EVE-O, and keep the rest for social interaction and interviews. It's quite damn offensive to hear about gamebreaking changes in external media before we can find them on these forums. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
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Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:52:00 -
[181] - Quote
Misanth wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:it will be presented in the presentation at fanfest! I promise! CCP should be banned from delivering news at Fanfest, Twitter, external media like TenTon etc. You should just stick to your loyal customerbase at EVE-O, and keep the rest for social interaction and interviews. It's quite damn offensive to hear about gamebreaking changes in external media before we can find them on these forums. Before you go on raging about petty changes, the mass of the peeps going to benefit from said change is ten times more than the opposing side so it's either you HTFU, grow some balls or leave. Send me your stuffz |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:10:00 -
[182] - Quote
But how will snot Shot pretend he is relevant to Eve?
It isn't fair to pick on "special" people. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
206
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:17:00 -
[183] - Quote
Military experts are calling this.... Well something I guess. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
966
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:22:00 -
[184] - Quote
Great thread!
So full of stupid, it's astounding.
Will definitely read again.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
309
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:45:00 -
[185] - Quote
Would anyone attending fan-fest please make a post here when CCP announces what they're doing?
Thanks.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Jade Scytale
Okami Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:47:00 -
[186] - Quote
TIL there are people who give a **** over highsec war |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:51:00 -
[187] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Would anyone attending fan-fest please make a post here when CCP announces what they're doing?
Thanks.
I will be watching the live stream. If I feel like it I (and others I'm sure) will create new topics about what I like and/or don't like in the presentations.
I have a PLEX ready to go just for the HD live stream. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
466
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:51:00 -
[188] - Quote
Joyelle wrote:Misanth wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:it will be presented in the presentation at fanfest! I promise! CCP should be banned from delivering news at Fanfest, Twitter, external media like TenTon etc. You should just stick to your loyal customerbase at EVE-O, and keep the rest for social interaction and interviews. It's quite damn offensive to hear about gamebreaking changes in external media before we can find them on these forums. Before you go on raging about petty changes, the mass of the peeps going to benefit from said change is ten times more than the opposing side so it's either you HTFU, grow some balls or leave. Send me your stuffz
You should re-read my post. Notice the cheeky tone used? Then check my signature. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
309
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:00:00 -
[189] - Quote
Elzon1 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Would anyone attending fan-fest please make a post here when CCP announces what they're doing?
Thanks. I will be watching the live stream. If I feel like it I (and others I'm sure) will create new topics about what I like and/or don't like in the presentations. I have a PLEX ready to go just for the HD live stream. Thanks - I'm sure there will be - I just like to be lazy and only have to check one place....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Ursula LeGuinn
EVE University Ivy League
151
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:21:00 -
[190] - Quote
Corporations and alliances may declare wars for a nominal fee. Consensus with the defenders is not required, and these war declarations may not be avoided except by dissolution of the defenders' organization. The aggressors may attack their selected targets at will.
However, CONCORD won't protect the aggressors for the duration of the war GÇö not only from the defenders, but from anyone at all. In other words, a random neutral could attack the aggressors without fear of CONCORD intervention. There will be no obvious sign (on the overview, etc.) of the aggressors' lack of CONCORD protection; it's up to the defenders to spread the word, call for help, or whatever.
Problem solved. CCP, you're welcome GÇö I'll be mailing my r+¬sum+¬ (spritz of cologne in the envelope, I'm classy) along with some other amazing game ideas. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |
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Joyelle
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:26:00 -
[191] - Quote
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Corporations and alliances may declare wars for a nominal fee. Consensus with the defenders is not required, and these war declarations may not be avoided except by dissolution of the defenders' organization. The aggressors may attack their selected targets at will.
However, CONCORD won't protect the aggressors for the duration of the war GÇö not only from the defenders, but from anyone at all. In other words, a random neutral could attack the aggressors without fear of CONCORD intervention. There will be no obvious sign (on the overview, etc.) of the aggressors' lack of CONCORD protection; it's up to the defenders to spread the word, call for help, or whatever.
Problem solved. CCP, you're welcome GÇö I'll be mailing my r+¬sum+¬ (spritz of cologne in the envelope, I'm classy) along with some other amazing game ideas. This has made my day. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
466
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:46:00 -
[192] - Quote
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Corporations and alliances may declare wars for a nominal fee. Consensus with the defenders is not required, and these war declarations may not be avoided except by dissolution of the defenders' organization. The aggressors may attack their selected targets at will.
However, CONCORD won't protect the aggressors for the duration of the war GÇö not only from the defenders, but from anyone at all. In other words, a random neutral could attack the aggressors without fear of CONCORD intervention. There will be no obvious sign (on the overview, etc.) of the aggressors' lack of CONCORD protection; it's up to the defenders to spread the word, call for help, or whatever.
Problem solved. CCP, you're welcome GÇö I'll be mailing my r+¬sum+¬ (spritz of cologne in the envelope, I'm classy) along with some other amazing game ideas.
Amusing. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Savage Creampuff
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 07:36:00 -
[193] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote: In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace.
also declare peace functionality may be broken.
we had something very much like that once. then you nerfed alliance 'p'. some of the most fun i've had |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
365
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Posted - 2012.03.21 08:07:00 -
[194] - Quote
Everyone knows that the current wardecs mechanic favours griefing over all other things. So yes it does need to change, however making it so you CANT wardecc without the enemies consent is actually ridiculous, so what is the answer? Its a very hard question.
Lets face it wardeccs are mostly used by so called pvp corps to go and legally kill industrialist players, I dont think this is what was intended. You need a legal reason to go to war otherwise Concord is just a criminal organisation too, and to be frank "because I want to kill people who are weaker than me" isnt a legal reason to go to war.
The war system maybe needs something to allow a corp to go to a governing body, the war to be declared illegal if suficient reason is there which would result in the war being declared invalid and the wardeccing entity is flagged so other people can kill them. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 10:15:00 -
[195] - Quote
This thread needs more safety dance https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
550
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Posted - 2012.03.21 10:26:00 -
[196] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:errm what?
What info are you referring to because this doesn't sound right. YOU TELL'EM! In fact the new default is to be at war with everyone. When you create a corp you are at war with everybody in the known universe and you need to declare peace. also declare peace functionality may be broken.
This could work. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc The Matari Consortium
70
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Posted - 2012.03.21 11:23:00 -
[197] - Quote
Is that a reference to something awesome that was never recaptured by it's creators or just a general smile cookie :-)
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CCP Paradox
141
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Posted - 2012.03.21 11:28:00 -
[198] - Quote
Damn Tuxford, you got me again! CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Cannibal Kane
Brotherhood of KANE
297
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:06:00 -
[199] - Quote
I swear it's awesome to see Game Developers Troll members.
I love this bloody Game. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1608
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:37:00 -
[200] - Quote
I don't troll, I would never do that!!!! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Programmer | @katrinat |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
304
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:41:00 -
[201] - Quote
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:Corporations and alliances may declare wars for a nominal fee. Consensus with the defenders is not required, and these war declarations may not be avoided except by dissolution of the defenders' organization. The aggressors may attack their selected targets at will.
However, CONCORD won't protect the aggressors for the duration of the war GÇö not only from the defenders, but from anyone at all. In other words, a random neutral could attack the aggressors without fear of CONCORD intervention. There will be no obvious sign (on the overview, etc.) of the aggressors' lack of CONCORD protection; it's up to the defenders to spread the word, call for help, or whatever.
Problem solved. CCP, you're welcome GÇö I'll be mailing my r+¬sum+¬ (spritz of cologne in the envelope, I'm classy) along with some other amazing game ideas.
This is actually really, really good.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
550
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:28:00 -
[202] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:I don't troll, I would never do that!!!!
5/10, could have been better if you added a little something, something. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
65
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:32:00 -
[203] - Quote
Zagdul wrote: Lets all band together and shoot a monument over a mechanic on the test server.
Name the monument and I'l be there. Please make it in null or low so we can do it in dreads. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
293
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:34:00 -
[204] - Quote
Cryten Jones wrote:Is that a reference to something awesome that was never recaptured by it's creators or just a general smile cookie :-) Its just a song I've got stuck in my head. By some weird coincidence it's stuck in Paradox's head as well. It might have something to do with me calling him over and saying "safety dance" https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:39:00 -
[205] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote: Its just a song I've got stuck in my head.
I prefer the literal version (Also, translation mechanic may be broken)
I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:42:00 -
[206] - Quote
Ptraci wrote:Maybe now certain corporations will stop hugging Jita undock...
That'd be a start to getting things like these not implemented.. Glad I'm not a higsec player like that.. |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
33
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:01:00 -
[207] - Quote
" ... We can go when we want to The night is young and so am I And we can dress real neat from our hats to our feet And surprise 'em with the victory cry .....
So is Inferno going to be about war dec'ing the NEX store shopping or warfare like strike a pose?
[;) |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
200
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:40:00 -
[208] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:I don't troll, I would never do that!!!! This haiku was pretty much written about you:
I would get more done If I didn't spend my time Trolling the forums Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
203
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:48:00 -
[209] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:I don't troll, I would never do that!!!! This haiku was pretty much written about you: I would get more done If I didn't spend my time Trolling the forums I like... DISSONANCE is recruiting Members: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=706442#post706442 Black-Mark Alliance Recruitment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6710 |
highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
28
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:41:00 -
[210] - Quote
The carebears will rejoice. Although this is EVE. EVE IS HARD! It says that when you sign up.
The war dec mechanics are just fine as they are. IRL, when one country decides to go to war, do they ask the other countries permission to invade? NO!
Having war decs as they are now adds to the dynamic of "you are never really safe" in eve.
CHEERS TO THE FURTHER DUMBING DOWN OF EVE SO WOW PLAYERS WILL MOVE OVER TO EVE AND TURN IT INTO WOW!!!! YES!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
wtf....
War decs are an essential part of EVE. War is an essential part of life. LIKE THE EVE TRAILER SAYS "All Life is Forged From Hell"... Making war decs HAVE TO BE agreed upon by both parties is further proof that CCP is catering to new players that find the harsh pvp of EVE too much to bear. I love EVE to death. It has killed all other MMO's for me.... But CCP continues down this dumbing-down of EVE, I fear it may end up being 'just another MMO' |
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Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
3
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:48:00 -
[211] - Quote
I love it when people read the first post of a thread and then /emo all over the place without first bothering to read any of the subsequent posts |
Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:57:00 -
[212] - Quote
...like the locals say: this thread keeps on delivering I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
simukz
8
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:13:00 -
[213] - Quote
cant find a post for discussion of the FanFest presentation about war decs... so i'll post it here...
wardeck cost multiplier # attackers / # defenders mercs could see active wars offer to defend a corp would get 50% of the declaration cost or what make sense scenario: 5 (active) account corp is declared war upon by 20 (active) account corp. war declaration cost is 90 mil ISK = (20 mil + .5 * 5) * 4 The defenders are few casual players and don't have high income and can't afford to hire mercs. A merc corp finds this war declaration and offers a defending corp to be helped with or without additional cost if the attacker is forced to surrender by mercs, mercs receive 45 mil. scenario 2: 10 member corp declares a war on 50 member corp. war declaration is 9 mil ISK = (20 mil + .5 * 50) * 0.2
both scenarios make it more fair for both sides. when declaring a war on a larger group should be cheaper and if declaring war on a smaller group should be more expensive this could create something like player run "empire police" that would prevent unfair war declarations
table http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/Wardeck_ratio_implemtation.png my suggestion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61734 Neocom https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44824 Right click UI https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44886 Overview |
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