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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:16:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.
Not so Toro ...
Actually submarines, including the most modern combat submarines, **do** use autopilots. Their autopilots often have semiformal pet names, such as 'Sven' ... in keeping with the with the Swedish heritage of the boats that used that particular autopilot.
There are also many submarines, military and other, that operate completely unmanned. Some autonomously.
But hey, let's not have facts interfere with a good story :-)
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:25:00 -
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Nullbear tears best tears. Or did someone set someone's bot farm on fire?..
Sometimes after reading posts like this I don't even know how I've been able to survive in w-space for the few years I've been living there. Cloakers everywhere, AFK and not! No local! No fixed entry points into the system! Pure suicide, I tell you, no one can possibly endure this. I mean, this isn't what I'd expect from the game. I expect my alliance to have secured swaths of space, thereby making it 100% safe for everyone who has paid for the right to be there! And then these ***** in their cloaky frigates come over and now I can't do anything at all. If only I had the balls and the brain to learn to live with it and adapt. Nay, this is a violation of my human rights. To the forums!
also lol jet can mining. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:54:00 -
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How does an afk ship harm you in any way? The only "people" that are really hurt by an afk cloaker are botters as said "people" programmed their bots to safeup if a non-blue is in system.
If a cloaker kills you, he wasn't afk. If a cloaker is relaying live intel, he isn't afk. If a cloaker does ANYTHING he is not afk. How does a ship that does literally NOTHING harm you in any way? It seems to me that your miners are afraid of a non-afk cloaker, not an afk cloaker. |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
160
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:01:00 -
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Confirming another bittervet wormhole dweller is sick of sissy pansy nullbears crying about AFK cloakers and their "zomg they could has Nyx hawtdrawpz!" garbage.
Put a fecking teaspoon of cement in your coffee, darlings, and HTFU.
It amazes me that people regularly rat in 3B ISK ships at all. Or rat in capitals. And they make 18M bounty ticks, which average down to 12M because carriers are slooow. So when a neut cloaks in system, suddenly its POS-hugging and wailing like Costa Concordia passengers.
Me? I rat in a Tornado, in pairs or small gangs. We alpha our way through a BS every few seconds, pull 12-15M ticks, with up to six cloaky testicle-gargling AFK cloakers in system with their pilgrims and bombers, knowing full well they dare not decloak next to one of us because the other 2-4 will alpha his ass back to the stone age.
If they do attempt a tackle, the moment something appears on overview you hit your MWD, overheat the thing, and you've gained range well before they even get a lock on you, let alone a scram (long points? nothing's going to stop you with a long point).
Hotdrop with a cyno, even better, more crap to shoot.
Total risk: 500M for 4 people. Benefit: Being able to grind sanctums and belts 23.5/7 and make ISK.
Get with the program, sissies. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
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Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:46:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:It's the analogous to a surface navy ship traversing waters where there's a known submarine threat. The location of the sub isn't known, so it's advisable for the transport/industrial ("non-combatant") vessel to be escorted by warships. If you feel "AFK cloakers" are a threat, find a different system to operate out of/in. Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.
did you REALLY just say "OMG IT HURTS MY BOTS" out loud? |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:59:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, this time in not so many words.
HTFU, AFK Cloaking is a valid tactic and you should learn how to deal with it rather than sh*t yourself everytime a non-blue enters local.
To paraphrase one of my favorite books; Suki, The Push Button Fear, is learned. Basically the AFK Cloakers control entire systems because of fear, and it is that fear that they want because the local blues either refuse to counter tactics or are to afraid to lose their internet spaceship pixels that they will not attempt to do anything but wait. They have psychologically trained your alliance to react predicably, this gives them the advantage in every situation.
AFK Cloak whiners are all to scared to actually do anything about the people challenging there legitimate right to sov, it's pathetic that one person cloaked up stops everything. If that is the case you do not deserve your sov, you might as well offline the TCU and let the Cloakers take your system from you.
Good Day,
Gerrick Palivorn, AFK Cloaker and proud of it. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:10:00 -
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0.0 sec whine thread number 76786999799 or something.
it's 0.0 sec it's suposed to be dangerous, why should the so called most dangerous systems lack the fear of being attacked out of nothing.
if this would make EVE the following happens.
Wormholes (almost no change you don't show up in local) Low sec/ high sec (no change at all people just dock at the stations and lull you to sleep come out and jump you anyway).
0.0 sec: lay back and fear nothing fighting reduced to gate skirmishes and massive attacks. 0.0 sec the new high sec.
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Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:32:00 -
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AFK cloaking is fine as it is. Just go back to high-sec if you can't stand the tension of low-sec or 0.0. I am just waiting for the point where people start complaining about people AFK sitting in stations... |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.02.29 12:02:00 -
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I live in w-space and find instant local chat intel a failed mechanic.
Anyway I still think that introducing cloak fuel could be quite interesting, for both the cloaker and the targets. Just like submarines have to sufrace some day, so would the cloaker. Or then sneak out of the system while you still have fuel.
More gameplay, a new consumable item, wouldn't hurt the primary use of cloaks, but would prevent eternal cloaking.
Just to clarify: No manual cycles or cap usage, but a fuel bay that could hold fuel for what, say, 6-12 hours? Anyway plenty enough that you could cloak our ass out during a normal play session. If you would want to cloak for longer, have a hauler anchor a small can for you in a SS, or another cloakie bring fuel for you. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
115
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Posted - 2012.02.29 12:29:00 -
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i approve that we could remove afk cloaking, but only if they remove poses too and other safe spots that makes possible to be invulnerable to attacks in 0.0.
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AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.29 12:41:00 -
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.29 13:30:00 -
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Remove local FTW. |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:59:00 -
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Yes go back to empire and mine in safety, in a system with say 20 to 30 people, ignore the fact that there is can flippers (since you jetcan mine), that any one of these people can warp in in an pretty much instalocking alpha tornado and gank you before you can warp out. What they will loose their ship you say? So?.. like we give a bleep.
And yet you dont see (as often) empire miners bleating like mad sheep over that? they just accept it as a risk.
so.. empire miners, more balls then 0.0 people..
nice. |
Torothin
Paragon. Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:05:00 -
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You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:14:00 -
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QFT http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:33:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Something needs to be done about this. The days of sitting non-chalantly afk cloaked for hours on end needs to stop. CCP at least make these people have to be active in order to maintain a cloak. Discuss!
I understand your problem, the solution is a very simple one.
Move to a wormhole, you'll never ever have to worry about an AFK cloaked ship again. Ever.
AKA - the flaw is not in the cloaking ship - the flaw is in the instant intel mechanism that is local. |
Andrea Griffin
145
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:15:00 -
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Torothin wrote:You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle. It's easy to look good when you hide behind fleets that vastly outnumber your opponent. What was your last solo kill? Oh, a Noctis?
Okay, that's not very fair. Let's see... Oh, you kills some dudes over six months ago. A carrier against some battlecruisers. Yeah, that's awesome PvP. The only awesome thing is that they didn't just slide out of point range.
I'm not impressed. Please continue to live in your delusions of grandeur though. Everyone has that right.
inb4 "well this isn't my main"
Besides... KB stats are a pretty terrible metric and every board can be gamed. You might be interested in this thread. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:51:00 -
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Coming from a corp that pretty much lives and dies by the cloaking ability of its ships, I am all in favor of the 15 minute cycle time for cloaking with one counter balance. If I have an active fleet standing by, see a bright spot on the map and send a hunter-killer over to the system to find the 24 people the statistics says are there are either a. POSed up or b. Stationed up i think there should be a 15 minute timer on the undock and kick out mechanic implimented as well. AFK for 15 minutes? Log out or be ejected. Fair is fair. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
840
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:19:00 -
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Just delete the line of code in your bot that warps you back to POS when there is a neut in local.
That's the issue here, right?
I mean, no one is so stupifyingly stupid to be afraid of one guy in local who isn't blue? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
568
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:26:00 -
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Torothin wrote:You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you.
Ahhhh, that makes it all ok then.
Totally bad of me then, big-bear only able to kill ppl who throw themselves onto my guns and insist, to even think of questioning the posting that uber-you made. Sheesh, I am so so so sorry for even thinking it was a stoopid idea. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Torothin
Paragon. Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:30:00 -
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OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT wrote:Coming from a corp that pretty much lives and dies by the cloaking ability of its ships, I am all in favor of the 15 minute cycle time for cloaking with one counter balance. If I have an active fleet standing by, see a bright spot on the map and send a hunter-killer over to the system to find the 24 people the statistics says are there are either a. POSed up or b. Stationed up i think there should be a 15 minute timer on the undock and kick out mechanic implimented as well. AFK for 15 minutes? Log out or be ejected. Fair is fair.
Hi OMG long time no talk! |
Torothin
Paragon. Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:45:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Torothin wrote:You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle. It's easy to look good when you hide behind fleets that vastly outnumber your opponent. What was your last solo kill? Oh, a Noctis? Okay, that's not very fair. Let's see... Oh, you kills some dudes over six months ago. A carrier against some battlecruisers. Yeah, that's awesome PvP. The only awesome thing is that they didn't just slide out of point range. I'm not impressed. Please continue to live in your delusions of grandeur though. Everyone has that right. inb4 "well this isn't my main" Besides... KB stats are a pretty terrible metric and every board can be gamed. You might be interested in this thread.
mad cuz bad? |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:56:00 -
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How about we just make cloak also remove you from local, that way cloaking will really screw with you like it should. |
Andrea Griffin
145
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:01:00 -
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Torothin wrote:mad cuz bad? What, embarrassed that I called you out?
I just find it funny that such a fantastic, accomplished, god-among-men PvP pilot has so much fear for cloaking ships. That makes this whole thread even more lol-worthy. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
Torothin
Paragon. Elite Space Guild
34
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:11:00 -
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AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting. |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:16:00 -
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You're trying too hard, what with the typos and everything. Thread's done, go home (or to a wormhole as stated). |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:51:00 -
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People here speak the truth. The problem is with local, not with going AFK. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:52:00 -
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Torothin wrote:AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.
This is nothing close to botting, and its stupid that several people have compared this to botting.
Botting is about by some means, typically a 3rd party program to simulate how you would actively play a game, with the general consensus that this is done for personal gain.
No third party program is used to sit afk cloaked, there is no simulation of active play, there is no actual personal gain/progression that takes place that is unique to doing this.
If the person is afk the only affect they have is psychological, how you allow that to affect you is your choice. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
20
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:55:00 -
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-1 internets for my bad double posting |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:01:00 -
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Torothin wrote:AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.
I didn't think it was possible for you to make yourself, and your position, any more foolish or lol-worthy. In this case, KB stats have no bearing on the topic under discussion. |
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