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Styxx
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Posted - 2008.04.20 13:04:00 -
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Ikki, I also was never contacted for your interview. I welcome a chance to contribute towards it.
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Blake Ice
Gallente Simtech Productions Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 13:52:00 -
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I have one question. Does the CSM have a say in getting a 24 hour skill queue implemented?
Wouldn't it be better to have a feature submission form (in game) that allows the whole of Eve to vote yay or nay on? Make the form CEO only and you filter the trash.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.20 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Styxx Ikki, I also was never contacted for your interview. I welcome a chance to contribute towards it.
Greetings Styxx My apologies for missing you.I guess,either you were not on the lists or I didn't pay attention enough.In any case, please accept my apologies. I am assuming you downloaded the issue,so please feel free to email me your answers.My email is [email protected] and I will update as soon as I get them. I am also waiting on Serenity's answers EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3 |
Daveydweeb
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.20 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Blake Ice I have one question. Does the CSM have a say in getting a 24 hour skill queue implemented?
I'd say they probably do, but it'd need some really significant player support to make the case for it.
Quote: Wouldn't it be better to have a feature submission form (in game) that allows the whole of Eve to vote yay or nay on? Make the form CEO only and you filter the trash.
There are two problems with this that I can see, depending on how you set the bar for a suggestion to be accepted:
- If you require a particular percentage of the playerbase to support a change before it's accepted, it becomes almost impossible for the more esoteric changes to achieve critical mass. The specific change I'm thinking of in this example is POS logistics: very, very few people have spent six or more hours anchoring and onlining a deathstar POS, but those who have will agree that it is utterly soul-destroying.
- If you require an absolute number of votes in support, larger alliances like Goonswarm would be able to easily raise the requisite number of votes purely from internal support, while smaller alliances would need the support of outsiders.
Neither of these two methods would be any more representative than the CSM, because they're impossible to implement effectively.
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.20 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Junbug if you want democracy... wouldn't it make sense to have the most democratic form of democracy? namely, direct democracy?
....have a referendum on it, and we kick it classical style, just like how the old dudes use to do it in athens..
It has been proven that direct democracy only works for small populations, just like pure communism too. Direct democracy tends to marginalize minorities and give too much power to the majority. This in essence can be deadly for those who don't have equal representation. That is why the US government is a representative democracy due to the cheer size of the population. In fact, establishment of Roman rule over Hellenistic Greece was due in part to their inability to make timely decisions due to their form of government.
Someone very wise once said that any population over 500 habitants shouldn't be govern by either direct democracy or pure communism. ---------------
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Hardin
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:39:00 -
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At present the list of candidates incorrectly links my site:
The proper URL is:
http://hardinfaq.blogspot.com/
Please can you correct this!
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Peri Stark
Gallente Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:23:00 -
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You forgot to count the PL guy. They're just goons under a different name. - Latex Underwear
Now that hurt my feelings! ================================================
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.21 03:59:00 -
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Democracy ? Lol ? CSM makes no decisions, it has no real influence. It has no other use than being a pr-trick, to bring EvE into media (NY times already reported about it) as being innovative / the "first" in something. Democracy is something diffrent and does not fit into the concept of a mmorg developer<->player realtionship.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.04.21 07:11:00 -
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hmm ... reading the treatise from Goumindong ... I think I have a candidate I will vote for ... we may not agree often on the forums, but he seems to be an inteligent person IRL :-)
anyway I still have to find a meaning in the CSM at all ... but seems the only way to find out is vote and see ...
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Hotep Shakkara
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.21 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka hmm ... reading the treatise from Goumindong ... I think I have a candidate I will vote for ... we may not agree often on the forums, but he seems to be an inteligent person IRL :-)
anyway I still have to find a meaning in the CSM at all ... but seems the only way to find out is vote and see ...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=753456 While he's smart, I don't like how he responded to Bacon.
There are many other intelligent candidates, but I think Tornsoul and Ankhesentapemkah (please nerf that name!) will get one vote each from me.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.21 08:10:00 -
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Let the forum and political PvP begin
I think what depresses me the most about this thread is that it's the same tired people making the same tired statements over and over in a lot of this thread. You might as well put a signature on which says 'I won't shut up till you agree with me'.
Having read some of the threads people keep posting to 'prove their point' actually an awful lot is what you read into what is said, and thus much more about your personal bias than what a given person thinks. On top of that, opinions change, people change - what someone said a year ago can have little relevance today. Then again, when have trolls ever missed a chance to slander, lie, mis-quote, or quote out of context to suit their point?
To the candidates, I look forward to reading more of your opinions and background details. To those in large alliances, it's going to be very hard to avoid that linkage, or avoid gaining the impression that you won't be representing the EVE community, you'll be representing large alliances and that particular play-style. I want to hear your opinions on things like small-gang warfare, low-sec, industry, trade. I want to see how balanced you truly are (or at least, can manage to write to appear so). ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot." |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.21 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Junbug if you want democracy... wouldn't it make sense to have the most democratic form of democracy? namely, direct democracy?
there are many simple way to do it and it does not involve strangers, each of whom knows perhaps a few hundred players at most, "representing" entire the player base of 200k.
Sadly direct democracy doesn't scale very well, and worse, marginalises minorities. I'm not saying the proposed CSM won't do that as well; genuine democracy isn't used in any system of existing government that I can think of, so, clearly most don't seem to think it's that great an idea.
The closest people have had to it is proportional representation, which is a bad idea for many reasons outside the scope of this thread (the biggest that comes to mind is that it allows small minorities to gain considerable power; it's also how the ****s managed to take over in Germany, for a little history lesson).
Most other 'democratic' countries function by having limited dictatorships of one form or another. In other words we vote, and then we're told to go away and be ruled for several years, then we vote again, and if the dictator(s) didn't do very well, we replace them.
There's also the downside that a lot of people can be very mob-minded, not actually think about issues, and follow knee-jerk reactions. When this happens in real life, we get poorly drafted laws or measures that are vast overreactions to a problem inflated by the media. I don't think we want the same in EVE.
In short, majority rule sucks. Benevolent dictatorships (CCP) may not be perfect, but at least they think about the problem. The CSM needs to be able to do the same. ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot." |
Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.21 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/04/2008 08:32:00 Post with your main.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.21 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 21/04/2008 09:39:38
Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/04/2008 08:32:00 Post with your main.
This is my main Not all of us feel the need to hide behind alliances. Just saying this shows how little you actually know the EVE community as a whole. (On the other hand, I do wish the EVE forums would show when it's a main or an alt, to end this stupidity once and for all). ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot." |
Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.21 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/04/2008 08:32:00 Post with your main.
This is my main Not all of us feel the need to hide behind alliances. Just saying this shows how little you actually know of the EVE community.
You mean that you magically started to post for the first time ever less than a week ago on subjects like carriers, sovereignity, POSes, AFK cloakers and whatnot?
And you're 4 months old?
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Invictor
Blue Ice Trading Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.21 09:56:00 -
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I can't believe Goons have been allowed to stand tbfh. blatant lag tactics, DoS attacks on CCP, ruined the forums for most players........
this is gonna suck
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.04.21 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais 6 Goonswarm. The future looks bleak. C.
I am your alternative. I am a grown up with a real live who loves this game since beta. I would feel honored and obliged to do the right thing just because of that.
The position brings responsibility, not power - anone who has illusions about how time consuming it can be, or is dreaming about some personal benefits for himself or his alliance will be de-illusionized pretty quick.
However, even amongst the goons can be found some resonable people when it comes to their RL side.
Of course, if i vould not Vote for myself - i would vote for Hardin, i trust that he supports the game and the players foremost, just like i would do.
(its really time to leave the past behind brothers, this is real life)
recruiting -forum
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Daveydweeb
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:21:33 Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:18:04 Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:15:28
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth To those in large alliances, it's going to be very hard to avoid that linkage, or avoid gaining the impression that you won't be representing the EVE community, you'll be representing large alliances and that particular play-style. I want to hear your opinions on things like small-gang warfare, low-sec, industry, trade. I want to see how balanced you truly are (or at least, can manage to write to appear so).
You're going to need to ask some specific questions if you want to hear some really serious, useful responses to your post -- simply because you're asking for candidates to talk about topics without asking anything specific enough to write a concise post about.
I have experience with small gangs (I'm a Goonswarm FC who plays primarily in Australian primetime, so small gangs are all I can usually get in a US-based alliance), industry (I've set up multiple moon mining chains of my own and helped to develop chains for both my own corp and one of our neighbours), POS logistics and maintenance. Aside from those specific points, I've done almost everything else there is to do in this game: I have three characters (covops, capship and main), and a lot of experience with each in both 0.0 and lowsec/empire.
Ask some questions, and I'll answer.
Originally by: Invictor
I can't believe Goons have been allowed to stand tbfh. blatant lag tactics, DoS attacks on CCP, ruined the forums for most players........
this is gonna suck
Oh my.
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Caleese
New Eden Research And Design School
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Invictor
I can't believe Goons have been allowed to stand tbfh. blatant lag tactics, DoS attacks on CCP, ruined the forums for most players........
this is gonna suck
Oh look another bigoted troll. Funny how you make these claims of "blatant lag tactics" and "DoS attacks on CCP". How pray tell are they performing these "lag tactics"? And why if they have performed a "DoS attack on CCP" are they still playing this game and haven't had legal action taken against them?
Let me guess you're ex LV, or RISE, or some other worthless alliance they rolled over? ----------------- Think of someone you consider of average intelligence... now realise this. Half the worlds population is dumber than that person. How does the world survive such stupidity? |
Invictor
Blue Ice Trading Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Invictor
I can't believe Goons have been allowed to stand tbfh. blatant lag tactics, DoS attacks on CCP, ruined the forums for most players........
this is gonna suck
Oh my.
Oh my........what?
Are you denying the lag tactics? the denial of service attack? the trash posts on the forums? No?
You will be judged by the alliance you represent and the ideals and actions of that alliance, just as a normal politician will be judged on their political party and the policies they support.
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/04/2008 11:31:14 @Caleese:
You sure you're not a Goon alt, seeing how you only comment on anti-goon stuff. Shouldn't you be sh!tposting somewhere while repeating the word "pubbie" 15 zillion times due to peer pressure and the need to belong somewhere no matter what the cost?
Goons reap what they sow, all of a sudden acting like choir boys doesn't work and it's fricking hilarious.
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Teclis van'Dreike
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:39:00 -
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This thread: ~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown. |
Invictor
Blue Ice Trading Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Caleese
Originally by: Invictor
I can't believe Goons have been allowed to stand tbfh. blatant lag tactics, DoS attacks on CCP, ruined the forums for most players........
this is gonna suck
Oh look another bigoted troll. Funny how you make these claims of "blatant lag tactics" and "DoS attacks on CCP". How pray tell are they performing these "lag tactics"? And why if they have performed a "DoS attack on CCP" are they still playing this game and haven't had legal action taken against them?
Let me guess you're ex LV, or RISE, or some other worthless alliance they rolled over?
action was taken against the leaders at the time. The lag tactics are well known and endorsed by Goons on these forums and their own. Are you seriously trying to say that Goons don't use lag tactics? Give me a break
Let me guess you're ex LV, or RISE, or some other worthless alliance they rolled over? "worthless"! alliances? whose the troll now?
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Invictor
Blue Ice Trading Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/04/2008 11:31:14 @Caleese:
You sure you're not a Goon alt, seeing how you only comment on anti-goon stuff. Shouldn't you be sh!tposting somewhere while repeating the word "pubbie" 15 zillion times due to peer pressure and the need to belong somewhere no matter what the cost?
Goons reap what they sow, all of a sudden acting like choir boys doesn't work and it's fricking hilarious.
QFT
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Daveydweeb
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Invictor
Originally by: Daveydweeb
Originally by: Invictor
I can't believe Goons have been allowed to stand tbfh. blatant lag tactics, DoS attacks on CCP, ruined the forums for most players........
this is gonna suck
Oh my.
Oh my........what?
Are you denying the lag tactics? the denial of service attack? the trash posts on the forums? No?
No, I'm saying "oh my" at the vitriol you're willing to throw into a post about a democratic election in an internet spaceship game.
That, and as far as "lag tactics" and "trash posts" go, Goonswarm are hardly the only guilty parties. Your posting would be the perfect example of the latter.
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Caleese
New Eden Research And Design School
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/04/2008 11:31:14 @Caleese:
You sure you're not a Goon alt, seeing how you only comment on anti-goon stuff. Shouldn't you be sh!tposting somewhere while repeating the word "pubbie" 15 zillion times due to peer pressure and the need to belong somewhere no matter what the cost?
Goons reap what they sow, all of a sudden acting like choir boys doesn't work and it's fricking hilarious.
I'm afraid I'm too classy to be a goon. Maybe I'm too noble, or idealistic, but I just don't see cause for people to come in here and spout off with unfounded claims, trying to slander what appear to be perfectly good candidates.
If someone was here claiming Omber Zombie had breached the EULA or ruined the game in some way I would surely rush to his defence with just as much vigour. So far all I've seen is blatant slander, and there's no way I'm going to let that go by without raising a point of order.
As I've said before I've seen Bane Glorious and Goumindong make contributions regularly in the game development forums, hence why I haven't mentioned any of the other goon candidates, I haven't seen the same desire to improve the game up until now (supposedly). The fact that these 2 have posted thoughtfully (although not always correctly) in those forums shows they're the sort of person we need on the CSM. There are others too, LaVista Vista is one who springs to mind, who has contributed well.
These are the sort of people I want to see on the CSM, those who have already shown a willingness to put forward ideas in the well constructed and thought out post. Not those who just decided to throw their name in the hat. And unlike the narrow minded, petty fools who can only see a corp ticker, these are the sort of people whom I shall be actively campaigning for.
Do not underestimate the importance of ones posting history. ----------------- Think of someone you consider of average intelligence... now realise this. Half the worlds population is dumber than that person. How does the world survive such stupidity? |
Daveydweeb
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:55:55 Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:55:25
Originally by: Caleese As I've said before I've seen Bane Glorious and Goumindong make contributions regularly in the game development forums, hence why I haven't mentioned any of the other goon candidates, I haven't seen the same desire to improve the game up until now (supposedly).
Sup.
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Caleese
New Eden Research And Design School
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Posted - 2008.04.21 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Caleese on 21/04/2008 12:14:27
Originally by: Daveydweeb Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:55:55 Edited by: Daveydweeb on 21/04/2008 11:55:25
Originally by: Caleese As I've said before I've seen Bane Glorious and Goumindong make contributions regularly in the game development forums, hence why I haven't mentioned any of the other goon candidates, I haven't seen the same desire to improve the game up until now (supposedly).
Sup.
See this here is what I'm talking about. Daveydweeb has gone to the effort of making a very well thought out post about POS deployment.
He's done this because he's seen an issue and decided to spend some time coming up with some thoughts and ideas without telling CCP that "zomg it HAS TO BE FIXED NOW!!!11 OR I QUIT MY ACCOUNTz0rs" This is the sort of contribution you would expect from a budding CSM member. But unfortunately too many of you are so myopic that you can't swallow your own pride, and admit that "Hey, goons might be idiots in game (and out of game no doubt), but there's a couple here running for CSM who are already doing a bang up job of trying to improve this game"
I'm sure they're as sick of the lag, POS warfare, game imbalances as we all are.
I really do wish that the players corp info could've somehow been left out of this whole process, so people could vote on the facts, rather than their own narrow minded views. ----------------- Think of someone you consider of average intelligence... now realise this. Half the worlds population is dumber than that person. How does the world survive such stupidity? |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.21 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 21/04/2008 12:33:00 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 21/04/2008 12:32:15
Originally by: Daveydweeb
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth To those in large alliances, it's going to be very hard to avoid that linkage, or avoid gaining the impression that you won't be representing the EVE community, you'll be representing large alliances and that particular play-style. I want to hear your opinions on things like small-gang warfare, low-sec, industry, trade. I want to see how balanced you truly are (or at least, can manage to write to appear so).
You're going to need to ask some specific questions if you want to hear some really serious, useful responses to your post -- simply because you're asking for candidates to talk about topics without asking anything specific enough to write a concise post about.
Fair point, though I wasn't asking for a direct response, more trying to say that over the course of the campaign that's what I would be looking to hear. Ok, a random one off the top of my head that would probably interest:
If you were presented with a notion that might lead to fragmentation of the larger 0.0 alliances (i.e. they would split down into smaller groups) but would cause a much larger pull into low-sec and null-sec by the player base (changing from 80% empire to, say, 50%), would you be for it for the good of the EVE community at large, or feel that status quo of the 0.0 alliances took priority?
Perhaps a loaded question, my apologies for it if so, but as I said, I wasn't looking for specific questions/specific answers at this stage.
Originally by: Tzar'rim You mean that you magically started to post for the first time ever less than a week ago on subjects like carriers, sovereignity, POSes, AFK cloakers and whatnot?
And you're 4 months old?
Heh, just because I can read and discuss something doesn't mean I have to have experienced it. If you had actually read my posts you'd know I usually make a point of saying 'I have a lack of experience, but here's a thought', or words to that effect. If you really really care enough to find out, feel free to message a moderator and have them confirm this is my main.
If you're too paranoid to believe that or that I might have another account, well, I don't really care what you think. This is my main, I am four months into the game, and sure I'm probably opinionated for that age, but it seems like I'm in good company
Funnily enough I've found people more than willing to discuss some of my ideas, to reject some, to alter others, and to have good discussions. Then again, you're doing an excellent job of proving my original post, so do continue if you like. ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot." |
Hugh Ruka
Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.04.21 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hotep Shakkara
Originally by: Hugh Ruka hmm ... reading the treatise from Goumindong ... I think I have a candidate I will vote for ... we may not agree often on the forums, but he seems to be an inteligent person IRL :-)
anyway I still have to find a meaning in the CSM at all ... but seems the only way to find out is vote and see ...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=753456 While he's smart, I don't like how he responded to Bacon.
There are many other intelligent candidates, but I think Tornsoul and Ankhesentapemkah (please nerf that name!) will get one vote each from me.
I said I don't agree with him often :-)
Anyway he's the only one from the CSM candidates (except my corpmate) that I have regular forum PvP with. I know some others from history (I will be turning 3 years ingame in 2 months) but they are just a name I met on the forums or ingame. Some of the CSMs don't even bother to add a description.
So there you go ... Truth is, I orient myself mainly by the forums, I don't have time to play as often as I'd like and also I am no longer in 0.0 so I am watching the situation from a far away distance.
Reminds me I have to change my sig ... --- SIG --- Goumindong for CSM. |
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