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Rexthor Hammerfists
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.20 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 20/04/2008 04:39:31 Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 20/04/2008 04:35:36 Excuse me for not talking to the candidates personnaly, but i didnt find another way then posting here without having to register on 33 forums to find out the candidates opinion on this.
So i was gonna vote for Jade and Hardin, but This could change my top list.
To make it short, who of the candidates is for, and who is against the program i linked and similiar software which limit certain aspects of the game, in this situation PvP besides Pos warfare and give you a significant advantage over the ones who dont use them. Thx in advance. -
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Lord Lycos
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.20 04:36:00 -
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agreed, anti-bacon's will get my vote.
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Kyguard
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.20 04:39:00 -
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Any CSM against BACON is a ++ for me. I don't care wtf you think about missions, pos, small gang pvp if you are against this game-breaking application then you're miles ahead of any other candidates in my eyes. -
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.20 04:40:00 -
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I will not be happy until BACON sizzles.
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Evelgrivion
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.20 04:52:00 -
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Anyone who supports BACON is someone who does not understand why it is fundamentally bad for this game, tbqfh.
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Trinity Dusk
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:01:00 -
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While the software might give you small leverage it's the local channel that's the underlying problem. I don't really like having to scroll the local channel all the time either.
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Evelgrivion
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Trinity Dusk While the software might give you small leverage it's the local channel that's the underlying problem. I don't really like having to scroll the local channel all the time either.
Local is a troubled mechanic to which a better solution has not been conceived. BACON takes it to a new level; now you don't even have to pay attention.
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motomysz
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:12:00 -
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I agree. Anti-BACON candidate gets my vote.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:13:00 -
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I don't like the idea of the BACON program really - it strikes me as being too "macro-y" ie making basic precautions and spacial awareness automatic. If it was my choice I'd warn people off this. However, it will probably be rendered obsolete when local chat is removed/restricted in some way. But its fair to say I'm "anti-Bacon" - since its dumbing down an aspect of the game and making it even easier to avoid non-consensual pvp in 0.0 and lowsec (+ concord wars).
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Lord Lycos
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I don't like the idea of the BACON program really - it strikes me as being too "macro-y" ie making basic precautions and spacial awareness automatic. If it was my choice I'd warn people off this. However, it will probably be rendered obsolete when local chat is removed/restricted in some way. But its fair to say I'm "anti-Bacon" - since its dumbing down an aspect of the game and making it even easier to avoid non-consensual pvp in 0.0 and lowsec (+ concord wars).
Translated: Im anti-bacon.
WOOO JADE CONSTANTINE FOR CSM!
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:26:00 -
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While I can see the argument for bacon (similar to evemon / eft...) it takes it a level too far imo. Then again, noboby cares what i say because im not a csm candidate.
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Eronysis
Caldari Gunfleet Logistics
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Eronysis on 20/04/2008 05:36:32 Edited by: Eronysis on 20/04/2008 05:34:54 Macro It is safe to assume you all misunderstand the word.
Regards,
Eronysis
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eronysis Edited by: Eronysis on 20/04/2008 05:36:32 Edited by: Eronysis on 20/04/2008 05:34:54 Macro It is safe to assume you all misunderstand the word.
Regards,
Eronysis
And is also pretty safe to say that you don't understand what a colloquialism is.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:45:00 -
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I do by no means think bacon is cool.
It's a very big workaround, but it would do the same task as reading directly from the memory, which is bad.
So i hope that CCP will change their EULA/TOS accordingly.
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Eronysis
Caldari Gunfleet Logistics
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Posted - 2008.04.20 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: motomysz I agree. Anti-BACON candidate gets my vote.
Ironic
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:55:00 -
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This reminds me of the time when all channels used to notify everyone in them by text as to who was coming and going. But that still wasn't anywhere near as invasive as this. Or are people just expected to cross their fingers and hope that their target doesn't have their speakers on, now?
The only reason I could support this being allowed is if CCP can identify those characters using it and assess their behaviour a little more closely for other more suspicious activity. But even if that were possible, I imagine that those types would catch on pretty quickly so its usefulness in that regard would be limited at best.
It's a clear nerf to the risk factor outside of high-sec Empire, and as such I see it as a precedent that's just too dangerous to ought to be allowed. The game is already more "dumb" than it should be without making it worse with tools like this.
/Ben
Ben Derindar: Eve CSM candidate
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mishkof
Caldari Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:02:00 -
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Although I disagree with the whiole CSM thing and think it is a nice little side show,
I will take this oppurtunity to say that if someone had a gun to my tead and forced me to vote for someone it wouldnt be someone that was for "bacon"
I.E I am against this CCP.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:11:00 -
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BACON is essentially a audio version of the client hack that made local portraits into standings indicators. No thanks. ----------------------
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:12:00 -
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actually there is a VERY big differnce, it doesnt modify content at ALL therefore it does not breach the eula
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:15:00 -
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I will vote for whomever ends the Bacon menace. The Trit Must Flow! |
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme actually there is a VERY big differnce, it doesnt modify content at ALL therefore it does not breach the eula
it might not break the EULA directly, but it is inherently against the spirit of the game ----------------------
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:18:00 -
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really? I disagree, but last I checked, neither of us define said spirit so until a dev says otherwise, its kosher
unlike most bacon
yeah I was waiting to break out that one
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Talarn Kalarn
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:22:00 -
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It is also against the spirit of the game to evade those out to ruin your fun... because then you are ruining their fun instead!
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Eronysis
Caldari Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eronysis
Originally by: motomysz I agree. Anti-BACON candidate gets my vote.
Ironic
If case you have as much trouble following links as reading a description or actually using a product before judging it. I give you another preexisting tool... Beetracker
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eronysis Edited by: Eronysis on 20/04/2008 07:33:04
Originally by: Eronysis
Originally by: motomysz I agree. Anti-BACON candidate gets my vote.
Ironic
If case you have as much trouble following links as reading a description or actually using a product before judging it. I give you another preexisting tool... Beetracker
What is being passed off here is large alliances keeping the advantage of having such tools private and quasi secret. BACON brings them to the masses, in an OPEN SOURCE format. Tools of this nature are being used against thousands of players BY people posting BAN BACON messages in this very thread and in others. Period.
Ok, you brought complete crap to the masses.
How long before every single ISK farming Raven has this installed? War targets? Forget ever getting within range unless you happen to jump through the same gate they're warping to.
Complete utter crap... It already takes long enough to find fight without having to go 1vs10 ------------
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.20 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eronysis Edited by: Eronysis on 20/04/2008 07:33:04
Originally by: Eronysis
Originally by: motomysz I agree. Anti-BACON candidate gets my vote.
Ironic
If case you have as much trouble following links as reading a description or actually using a product before judging it. I give you another preexisting tool... Beetracker
What is being passed off here is large alliances keeping the advantage of having such tools private and quasi secret. BACON brings them to the masses, in an OPEN SOURCE format. Tools of this nature are being used against thousands of players BY people posting BAN BACON messages in this very thread and in others. Period.
I had no idea this is possible - thanks for bringing this to the surface. I hope the csm candidates can convince ccp to remove the root of the whole problem, not just your programm. -
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:10:00 -
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CONCORD has locked the original thread so I can't see what BACON is/was, however the Beetracker program looks like 2 things to me: 1) An attempt by players to add to the UI where it is lacking 2) Unbalanced that a specific group of players only should have access to the tool.
On the point of balance .. does everyone remember when Portraits were being replaced with +ve/-ve images in the client cache? This was a high-demand feature not present in the client. So now, it's implemented in the client for everyone.
IMO, it should be implemented for all, or not implemented at all. Whether "implemented for all" is a good case, is up for debate
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Shakuul
Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shakuul on 20/04/2008 08:23:19
Originally by: MotherMoon maybe bacon ill be the reason CP finally removed local once and for all.
and then bacon will only tell you when a war target has spoken in local thus showing up.
which fun mind games will then be played.
but yeah anti Bacon gets my vote.
I hate local allready now this. so thank you BACON guys for giving us more reason to kill local dead.
This. Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele CONCORD has locked the original thread so I can't see what BACON is/was, however the Beetracker program looks like 2 things to me: 1) An attempt by players to add to the UI where it is lacking 2) Unbalanced that a specific group of players only should have access to the tool.
On the point of balance .. does everyone remember when Portraits were being replaced with +ve/-ve images in the client cache? This was a high-demand feature not present in the client. So now, it's implemented in the client for everyone.
IMO, it should be implemented for all, or not implemented at all. Whether "implemented for all" is a good case, is up for debate
yeah you still have my vote, I mean your the best candidate by far
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:19:00 -
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Why should macroers will use BACON? I saw alot of times macroers are cloaking/logging off someone enter local already, what will bacon do for them their macros cant do?
Originally by: techzer0 How long before every single ISK farming Raven has this installed? War targets? Forget ever getting within range unless you happen to jump through the same gate they're warping to.
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