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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:53:00 -
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I have had some real life issues crop up the past month and haven't been on much. But I was just able to get on and oh my gosh, the overview font is really confusing to read now. Letters are all smashed together, it's very tall and not wide and it hurts my eyes.
I went to overview settings to try to make the font smaller but now the overview boxes are also very small and honestly the smaller font is too small.
So what changed? We've been through two overview font changes and they both sucked. At least the last one was somewhat more readable with the small font option selected, but this one is just an eyesore. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:02:00 -
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You'll get used to it. Everyone else has. I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:03:00 -
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Well, why was this changed? That's what I'm asking. What changed, and why? Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
949
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:05:00 -
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Because space-inefficient fonts displaying extremely important information in an information-dense part of a space-inefficient UI is terrible.
Basically, be thankful you can have a reasonable amount of visible columns in your overview without having it cover far too much screen. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:07:00 -
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They changed it to make it easier to distinguish certain numbers and letters, like S and 5, and, 0 and O, among other things |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:11:00 -
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Aha, I figured out what it is. It got much more narrow and there is less spacing above and below now. The font is VERY narrow now.
I guess I just don't like it. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
949
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Posted - 2012.02.29 10:37:00 -
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Herold Oldtimer wrote:They changed it to make it easier to distinguish certain numbers and letters, like S and 5, and, 0 and O, among other things
That was the first font change, not the overview-specific one. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.02.29 13:58:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Because space-inefficient fonts displaying extremely important information in an information-dense part of a space-inefficient UI is terrible.
Basically, be thankful you can have a reasonable amount of visible columns in your overview without having it cover far too much screen.
I discovered that Eve really is a spaceships game and not just a space-themed version of Excel. Not sure what I think of that.
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Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:31:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Aha, I figured out what it is. It got much more narrow and there is less spacing above and below now. The font is VERY narrow now. Is this a troll, or is my overview font different from everyone else's? Mine looks little different from the font on this forum and there's plenty of space above and below.
I joined EVE after the font change so I don't know what the old one looked like, but if was much wider than what we have now it must have looked horrendous.
(Edited for typo.) |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
950
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:34:00 -
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Ettu Brute II wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:Aha, I figured out what it is. It got much more narrow and there is less spacing above and below now. The font is VERY narrow now. Is this a troll, or is my overview font different from everyone else's? Mine looks little different from the font on this forum and there's plenty of space above and below. I joined EVE after the font change so I don't what the old one looked like, but if was much wider than what we have now it must have looked horrendous.
Imagine a universe where most systems have names like DO6 or YAO.
Now imagine it is essentially impossible to tell the difference between a 6 and a G, or a 0 and a O, and so forth. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:49:00 -
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Here is a pic of the old overview. It was much easier to read, in my opinion.
http://siigarikitawa.com/images/closecall.jpg Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:04:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Ettu Brute II wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:Aha, I figured out what it is. It got much more narrow and there is less spacing above and below now. The font is VERY narrow now. Is this a troll, or is my overview font different from everyone else's? Mine looks little different from the font on this forum and there's plenty of space above and below. I joined EVE after the font change so I don't what the old one looked like, but if was much wider than what we have now it must have looked horrendous. Imagine a universe where most systems have names like DO6 or YAO. Now imagine it is essentially impossible to tell the difference between a 6 and a G, or a 0 and a O, and so forth.
It was even hard to tell between D and O, 8 and B, or S and 5 because square letters are futuristic or something. It was the worst damn font imaginable and it blew my mind when I came back after 4 years to find that they still used it.
Of course, if you live in empire where everything has names then you probably didn't notice it, but for us poor souls in nullsec it was a nightmare. |
Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:11:00 -
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Now I'm really confused. That's what mine looks like now. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:23:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Well, why was this changed? That's what I'm asking. What changed, and why?
The font changed, hello? |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:24:00 -
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Ettu Brute II wrote:Now I'm really confused. That's what mine looks like now. Eh? Show me a screenshot. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1441
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:33:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Ettu Brute II wrote:Now I'm really confused. That's what mine looks like now. Eh? Show me a screenshot.
how about you post a screenshot of how it looks to you now? CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:36:00 -
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http://www.siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview.jpg
It is really compressed. Look at the numbers and look how there is no spacing between lines. Everything looks like it's very boxed in. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
GeekWarrior
S0utherN Comfort
1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:41:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:http://www.siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview.jpg
It is really compressed. Look at the numbers and look how there is no spacing between lines. Everything looks like it's very boxed in.
You and I must have very different ideas of what "no spacing" means. This looks perfectly fine. |
Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:43:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:http://www.siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview.jpg
It is really compressed. Look at the numbers and look how there is no spacing between lines. Everything looks like it's very boxed in. I see no difference in the overview. All I see is that you've gone from a widescreen image to a standard one. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1441
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:43:00 -
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GeekWarrior wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:http://www.siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview.jpg
It is really compressed. Look at the numbers and look how there is no spacing between lines. Everything looks like it's very boxed in. You and I must have very different ideas of what "no spacing" means. This looks perfectly fine.
yeah looks fine to me too CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Villore Accords
70
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:45:00 -
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o/ Sig
Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).
Cheers. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1442
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:49:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:o/ Sig
Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).
Cheers.
you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right? CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1617
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:53:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:o/ Sig
Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).
Cheers. you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?
I saw this request (remove stargate from stargate overview entries) spring up in the patch feedback thread so I believe this poster is talking about recent changes yes.
EDIT: Of course it might be confusing to simply remove it but some form of abbreviation might help keep them prominent yet readable.
The main issue was the 'broken' font being too wide and making the actual gate names unreadable. Even with it fixed now it would make sense to do something so shorter columns would still show the stargate name rather than clipping the important info (stargate... ) (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Emmerik
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.29 15:53:00 -
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After the last overview change the font seems a lot smaller an harder to read for me to. Small font is hard to read, larger font (in overview settings) is way to big.
I think I can get used to the smaller stuff.... but it did change. If I remember this thread when I get back home, Ill post a screen |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:00:00 -
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Hold on uploading another image. Note this is the default 100% scaling ui.
http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview2.jpg (small font) LOOK AT THOSE NINES
http://siigarikitawa.com/images/newoverview3.jpg (large font) WAY TOO LARGE (vertically)
CLEARLY you can see the numbers are much more narrow than my previous overview font, and it has the spacing above and below the characters is reduced versus my previous overview.
http://siigarikitawa.com/images/closecall.jpg Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1442
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:00:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:o/ Sig
Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).
Cheers. you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right? I saw this request (remove stargate from stargate overview entries) spring up in the patch feedback thread so I believe this poster is talking about recent changes yes. EDIT: Of course it might be confusing to simply remove it but some form of abbreviation might help keep them prominent yet readable. The main issue was the 'broken' font being too wide and making the actual gate names unreadable. Even with it fixed now it would make sense to do something so shorter columns would still show the stargate name rather than clipping the important info (stargate... )
if it was posted in the feedback thread it has probably been addressed by the people who did the recent overview changes (I don't know if they wanted to change it or leave it as is) CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Villore Accords
70
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:03:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:o/ Sig
Just a little note to request CCP Punklady to have a look at changing "Stargate (System name)" to "System name (Stargate)" as this look for quick readability is made much worse with the new font. Was a big thread about it the other day got no dev attention (or views?).
Cheers. you're talking about the recent overview changes, not the font changes a few months ago right?
Being honest, I don't know which change did it, but I seem to fit a few less characters across my overview than before the font change months ago. This combined with (for me) for example lots of new Faction Warfare plexes on overview can make finding Stargates a lot harder.
Name column | Type |
Serpentis Port.. | Beacon | Gallente Major | Beacon | Stargate (Villo... | Stargate (G.. | Stargate (Hey... | Stargate (G.. | Gallente Minor | Beacon |
appears to be much more common and more apparent now forcing me to widen the Name column wider than it used to be. I'm not placing blame directly on any change but rather hoping you'll possibly look into a change to make the stargate name a lot more visable and easily identifiable. Thanks. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
234
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:09:00 -
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Yes, it is indeed narrower and wastes less space.
Absolutely wonderful little tweak, that actually allowed more information in a smaller overview window - great job <3
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
121
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:11:00 -
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No it hurts my eyes and makes it harder to read. What was wrong with the last font? IDEA: Make a wide/narrow selection for players to choose from.
Also I don't like how adjusting the overview columns works now, the column contents won't update till you release the overview spacing guides at the top. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
234
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:31:00 -
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They have just made the glyphs 1 pixel taller in the right places, making the text look, read and scale better.
New large has the same pixel width and overview line height than the old regular (taking same space) but appears bigger, clever way to improve usability for those who prefer bigger text.
Same adjustment also makes the new small version massively better than the old small one.
I hope you get used to it, because most people appreciate this change.
Big up UI font team! |
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