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Sindayn Itai
Marmite.
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 21/04/2008 23:44:22
Is there a guide somewhere for what you are protected by regarding other players and their illegal isk buying actions through purchases.
I am **** scared of being on the receiving end of a minus wallet, if a isk buyer purchases a ship or any other item from me in a trade channel.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sindayn Itai Is there a guide somewhere for what you are protected by regarding other players and their illegal isk buying actions through purchases.
I am **** scared of being on the recieving end of a minus wallet if a isk buyer purchases a ship or any other item from me in a trade channel.
??? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Achran Dexx
Caldari CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:45:00 -
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Needn't fear that, if you feel you are being wronged, petition it. If you are still being wronged, escalate it.
Same goes for just receiving large quantities of ISK. Petition, ask for the validity (Don't spend any of it!) and if it's illegitimate, it will be revoked.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Sindayn Itai Is there a guide somewhere for what you are protected by regarding other players and their illegal isk buying actions through purchases.
I am **** scared of being on the recieving end of a minus wallet if a isk buyer purchases a ship or any other item from me in a trade channel.
???
There are no innocents, only varying degrees of guilt.
fffffffffffffffffffffff ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Sindayn Itai
Marmite.
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 21/04/2008 23:48:48
Originally by: Erotic Irony ???
please read what i said, I know all about the legit GTC method.
Originally by: Achran Dexx Needn't fear that, if you feel you are being wronged, petition it. If you are still being wronged, escalate it.
Same goes for just receiving large quantities of ISK. Petition, ask for the validity (Don't spend any of it!) and if it's illegitimate, it will be revoked.
I'm keeping the money in my wallet, would i recieve the item that was purchased by the player who used illegal isk?
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Slickdrac
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:49:00 -
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If someone buys something from you, you don't get that money taken from you. They get it taken from them, to remove it from you as well would be removing that isk from the economy twice. I suck at forums |
Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:51:00 -
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What he wants to know is that if an isk-buyer just happens to buy a bunch of his legitimate goods (like ships) with dirty isk, will CCP take the isk away?
Good question. My guess would be that you are screwed, and would have to spend a lot of time defending yourself to CCP after they take the isk back. If the trade channels are logged by CCP, you might have it easier.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:54:00 -
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There is no guide and there won't be one, at least from official side. Why? Simple. If CCP published a guide like that the ISK sellers would attempt to camouflage their transactions in the ways described in the guide.
If you are innocent, there's no need to be scared. Should a GM remove ISK from you, just petition it and if necessary escalate the petition to get everything sorted out.
Should you be guilty though, a petition will most likely lead to a permanent ban instead of the slap on the wrist. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
If you are innocent, there's no need to be scared. Should a GM remove ISK from you, just petition it and if necessary escalate the petition to get everything sorted out.
Should you be guilty though, a petition will most likely lead to a permanent ban instead of the slap on the wrist.
The problem is when they still think you're guilty. This seems to happen sometimes when you're doing very aggressive things on the market. Though, we only have hearsay to go on. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Sindayn Itai
Marmite.
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Posted - 2008.04.22 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 22/04/2008 00:14:45
I don't wanna help the isk farmers/buyers in any form.
I just wanna know where I stand. I don't wanna be penalized in any form for the actions of the naughty.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.04.22 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sindayn Itai Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 22/04/2008 00:16:16
I'm certainly logging my chat for all transactions.
Won't help. Client-side chatlogs can be edited/forged and hence do not carry any weight in disputes.
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GM Nova
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:31:00 -
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Yes there is; The End User License Agreement.
Simply follow the code of conduct and you will never have to worry about a thing. I absolutely guaranty you that no ISK will ever be taken from you just because your sell order was fulfilled by a EULA violator. It will simply not happen.
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someones friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
GM Nova Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support |
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova guaranty
LOL
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: GM Nova guaranty
LOL
getting in on this lol
forum needs spell check stat |
Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Natacha on 22/04/2008 01:51:28
Originally by: GM Nova Yes there is; The End User License Agreement.
Simply follow the code of conduct and you will never have to worry about a thing. I absolutely guaranty you that no ISK will ever be taken from you just because your sell order was fulfilled by a EULA violator. It will simply not happen.
Except he didn't mention a sell order he said via the trade channels, which usually leads to setting up a private contract, or even scarier, a direct trade. That's precisely why I said it was a very good question.
Is is my understanding that if CCP does "accidently" remove isk from a player, and that player is later proven innocent or the mistake is caught, they will return the isk and credit any playtime lost.
Originally by: GM Nova
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someones friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
EVERY single claim? WoW! O.K. I guess that does leave out the ones that I know about where the player didn't post on the forums about it, and later got their isk and playtime back.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:53:00 -
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proof or stfu lady
last I checked the GM's had more credibility than Random Poster McWildClaims
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: GM Nova guaranty
LOL
getting in on this lol
forum needs spell check stat
I loled as well |
Face Lifter
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Posted - 2008.04.22 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: DroneBay Diva
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: GM Nova guaranty
LOL
getting in on this lol
forum needs spell check stat
I loled as well
Keep it up and tomorrow you may see a news update from CCP: "laughing at GMs is not permitted on EVE forums, violators will be banned."
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.22 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 22/04/2008 03:21:02 As fun as it may be to poke at peoples spelling, she is right :P
Every time we see someone indigently posting about how they were wrongly decremented ISK it always turns out to be because they somehow felt they could get away with buying it from 'Honest xzbblx's ISK dot com'* rather then grinding it like everyone else.
They always start off with a self-righteous tone and then their objections peter out, probably about the time a GM points out an ISK deposit from the aforementioned xzbbllx I would imagine, though we will obviously never know :P
*not a real url obviously
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.22 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova Yes there is; The End User License Agreement.
Simply follow the code of conduct and you will never have to worry about a thing. I absolutely guaranty you that no ISK will ever be taken from you just because your sell order was fulfilled by a EULA violator. It will simply not happen.
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someones friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
What about buy orders? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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Gark32
X Bane X Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2008.04.22 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: GM Nova guaranty
LOL
Getting in on this lol. |
zzCoins
Caldari Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.22 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someone's friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
So if someone, who turns out to be an isk seller, buys 1 round of ammo from me for 1billion isk, you guarrentee that I will not have any isk removed from my account ? |
DrefsabZN
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Posted - 2008.04.22 11:47:00 -
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CCP will make efforts to protect other players. If you sell items to someone that bought isk for reasonable normal prices (IE nothing that looks like a scam or an attempt to launder the isk), then why would you have money taken off you?
What I've read and understand it to be is that if you buy isk and you get caught the isk transfer to the isk buyer is reversed. If they have spent this isk on items that isnt reversed thus leaving the isk buyer with a negative isk balance.
The crimes of the isk buyer's/isk seller's should really be impacting the innocent normal player selling his items in good faith.
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Luh Windan
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.22 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Luh Windan on 22/04/2008 12:00:36 deleted - stupid forums ate my post
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.22 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: zzCoins
Originally by: GM Nova
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someone's friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
So if someone, who turns out to be an isk seller, buys 1 round of ammo from me for 1billion isk, you guarrentee that I will not have any isk removed from my account ?
I see what you did there.
You misread the post and swapped ISK buyer for the term isk seller.
Now run along and work out what you did wrong and why your post is filled with fail. -
- Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345 |
Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.04.22 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sindayn Itai Edited by: Sindayn Itai on 21/04/2008 23:44:22
Is there a guide somewhere for what you are protected by regarding other players and their illegal isk buying actions through purchases.
I am **** scared of being on the receiving end of a minus wallet, if a isk buyer purchases a ship or any other item from me in a trade channel.
Words got swapped all the way in this thread!
He is asking if some isk BUYER buys items from him, will he suffer any consequence.
So, no, you will not suffer any consequence, it's the guy who bought you the stuff that will, as any isk buyer should, have his isk removed down to a negative wallet (I hope, it learns them not to do it again). So, if he bought 1 billion, and bought you a carrier for some 700 mil, you will have your isk, no doubt, and he will have a billion removed later which should take him deep in the negative.
People swap words and pushes everyone in this stupid mistake... That's foul play, and it's always like this here in eve general discussions.
So, what is totally false when written the way the op said it should be totally true if swapping critical words... As most sentences can be.
If a player sells an item for 1 bil times its price to an isk SELLER, there is not much doubt that it is ill earned money for that player, understand there : he is actually buying isk from that seller by the way of a market order.
If some people can't see the difference here, quit the game, and give your ill earned stuff to someone else than me, I earn good isk by myself by the game rules! |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.22 12:41:00 -
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As far as i know, this his how it works:
If an ISK buyer uses his dirty ISK to create a buy order and you fulfill it, you performed a legitimate trade and won't get the ISK removed. The ISK buyer gets a negative wallet because even though he spend his dirty ISK, it still gets deducted from his wallet.
If an ISK buyer uses his dirty ISK to fulfill one of yoursell orders the same deal. You did a legitimate trade (although the GM may investigate if your sell order was the only one at a station and exorbitantly overpriced because that might look like ISK laundering). The GM will remove the ISK from the wallet of the ISK buyer.
If you buy a character then the GM's should take any dirty ISK it had directly or in posessions from the seller of the character, not the sold character itself. If the character already has a negative wallet, this should be mentioned in the trade or the trade is illegitimate and you may ask for it to be reversed in full.
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.22 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sindayn Itai
I am **** scared of being on the receiving end of a minus wallet, if a isk buyer purchases a ship or any other item from me in a trade channel.
Really? I'm not. Guess why?
The only time I might be worried is if I somehow scammed an ISK farmer. Even then, I'd understand why they would reverse it if they did. |
Messerschmitt facility
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.04.22 18:51:00 -
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You will not loose any ISK. The buyer will loose ISK, aka going into negative if he spent all the money buying from you |
Neo Triton
Amarr Unamed Mofos
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Posted - 2008.04.22 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova Yes there is; The End User License Agreement.
Simply follow the code of conduct and you will never have to worry about a thing. I absolutely guarantee you that no ISK will ever be taken from you just because your sell order was fulfilled by a EULA violator. It will simply not happen.
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someone's friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
orly? cause im sitting at -1.75bil cause of a guy who bought a moros with isk hey ebayed and it got removed from my wallet
how does that one work?
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