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TripStarrR
Bladerunners The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:03:00 -
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look i dont usually comment on these things but this naming convention is idiotic. I am all for making it easier to understand. but this is NOT easier to understand. Infact its as confusing if not worse!
let me help you because you seem to be stuck.
Heavy Assault Missile Launchers should stay as Heavy Assault Missile Launchers Assault Missile Launchers should stay as Assault Missile launchers Standard Missile Launchers should become Light Missile Launchers Siege Launchers should become Torpedo Launchers
Meta Level 1: Prototype
Meta Level 2: Experimental
Meta Level 3: Limited
Meta Level 4: Upgraded |
PinkKnife
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:03:00 -
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Tacct wrote:Completely opposed to everything except the hardwiring changes. Quote:"I'm currently spearheading an initiative to rename those of EVE's modules and implants whose names have been deemed too confusing by a fearless cross-departmental cadre of game designers, UI designers & content developers." I'm sorry, shouldn't things like these be changed when they are deemed too confusing by the players. The simplification of names just takes variety away from the game. Side note, I'll never understand how people get paid for work like this, and then come up with work that looks like they spent 2 minutes on it. I mean almost everyone here has pointed out experimental = prototype... how does the person getting paid to come up with these names not realize this.
No, because the game is not a democracy and if so you'd never get anything done. Vets have no idea what the game is like for new players, and just as asking a majority to vote on the needs of a minority is wrong, as is asking vets about things that are driving away newbies.
Also, I'm willing to bet they've spent more time on the naming conventions than you have spent typing up this ridiculous bash of devs for no reason other than change is scary. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:06:00 -
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Nothing against you personally CCP Gnauton, but this is possibly the stupidest (however not the most damaging) series of changes that CCP has ever done. You are not just dumbing down the game and making it more generic, you are also making things more confusing by making the modules names more similar and less colorful.
In the Test Server feedback forum you were presented with several methods to achieve your goal of making the nomenclature more informative and streamlined, yet preserving the color and history of the world. You ignored these, and now there isn't a single response from you in this thread.
In your blog you lament the fact that these changes went "uncommunicated" by CCP, yet you somehow don't understand that this particular communication has to be interactive and iterative to be useful. Otherwise you might as well just inform us of the changes in the patch notes. |
Steijn
Quay Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:08:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote: Vets have no idea what the game is like for new players,
so Vets just suddenly miraculously became Vets overnight? |
FeralShadow
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:08:00 -
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Sweet, the meta 1-4 changes are a long time coming! |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:10:00 -
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put away those ret*rded new missile names already!! Give us the old ones, I miss terrors and scourge, and dont name them all the same from rocket till citadel, for the love of god!! |
Klam
Church of Boom
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:11:00 -
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Please don't take this as a personal attack on the devs involved...
But this whole idea is flawed. Changing there names is not just removing pointless obscurity. At this point it's removing a player skill in knowing these differences. Life does not dumb down these things. Life rewards those that know the difference. Changing the names removes an important layer of atmosphere.
IMHO the meta level tag was WRONG. Now it is the crutch that you are using to beat the game atmosphere to death. |
Ager Agemo
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:12:00 -
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people sure whine for dumb stuff a lot, this changes are welcome, there is no need to have overly complex names when the game itself is already the most complex game ever. this wont dumb anything. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:12:00 -
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CCP Gnauton needs to post so I can give him all my likes. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:15:00 -
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Are there any plans to retain the character of the items by referencing their original names in their individual descriptions?
eg. "The Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive utilises catalyzed cold-gas arcjet technology to provide improved thrust, ensuring performance superiority over more traditional MicroWarpdrive solutions." Blogger on Freebooted. Co-Creator of Tech4 podcast and website. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
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Colonel STFU
The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:15:00 -
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Anigo Montioa wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Djakku wrote:this just makes the game more boring and less- sci fi... Agreed.
+1 MORE! |
Anika Mobius
Solid State Security Random Coalition of Corporations
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:16:00 -
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The proposed names are completely backwards and make NO SENSE.
Upgraded < Limited < Experimental < Prototype (where "prototype" is the best)
WTF seriously? Reverse this and it starts to make sense.
Upgraded > Limited > Experimental > Prototype (where "upgraded" is the best) - A.Mobius |
Wiu Ming
Wrecking Shots Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:17:00 -
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just effing no. to all of it.
Meta Level 1: Upgraded
Meta Level 2: Limited
Meta Level 3: Experimental
Meta Level 4: Prototype
and if you're gonna do stuff like this ^, at least make the higher meta level = better mod. THAT is a far more logical 'fix' then renaming all the crap we've known for years and learned just like everyone else. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:18:00 -
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All sounds pretty boring and uninspired to me. If you want to jettison flavour and the sense of an exotic universe lets just get it over with: here you go
Modules:
Bestest Better Good Rubbish
Ships:
Biggest Big Average Small
Races:
A B C D
Job done.
C.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:19:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:While I'm sure we all have quibbles about particular name choices, the overall goal of consistency is a laudable one, and Gnauton deserves some +1's for taking on this non-sexy but useful project.
+1 Bullshit. It's only non-sexy, since he chose to use boring ass names in the naming. It should have been seen as an opportunity to add sexyness and coolness to the names, while also improving on the functionality. It never had to be one or the other. PS. I refuse to believe that names like trauma and limited can be considered cool or sexy names by any sane person. Completely agree. Way to miss the opportunity CCP. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:22:00 -
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Fantocis wrote:NO NO and NO! You are doing it wrong!!! idea of simplifying names is grate but you are over reacting and going wrong direction. Get along CCP, don't throw things like this at ppl that fly around in internet space ships! What you did with missiles already was misunderstanding now you screw launchers? Whats is wrong with HEAVY and just Assault missiles? Why you change things that do not change anything? Siege and torpedo OK because that was confusing For meta levels it should be similar to this: Meta Level 0: Civilian Meta Level 1: Standard Meta Level 2: Upgraded Meta Level 3: Experimental Meta Level 4: Prototype for hardeners, yes its confusing and it must be changed, but please leave Reactive, Magnetic, etc. because complexity is middle name of EVE if you want easy tasks go and play WOW or any thing like that and dishonor you family. When you changed names for missiles that was terrible :) i mean Trauma missile? what? wtf you where thinking about what, a trauma? Mjolnir cold name, Nova hot name, Inferno just explodes by him self and then trauma? Shame on you, please change kinetic missile name because its hilarious so please CCP pimp my ride!
I support these meta name! It makes way more sense!
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Szilardis
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:24:00 -
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I don't like this. It takes away a lot of the flavor of modules...it feels like it's dumbing/boring EVE down. I want my YT-8s and Pseudoelectrons. And keep HAMs, there's not much point to dropping the 'heavy'...
This change needs to be really rethought. |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:27:00 -
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I don't see the problem with using "trauma" for kinetic damage. Kinetic implies physical force, the result of which would be trauma to the affected object. "Trauma" may commonly be used in medical terms, but it isn't exclusive. Blogger on Freebooted. Co-Creator of Tech4 podcast and website. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:27:00 -
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Hnnng. I have mixed opinions on these changes. Can't decide if I like it or not (besides the implant name changes, those are good!).
Seismic Stan wrote:I don't see the problem with using "trauma" for kinetic damage. Kinetic implies physical force, the result of which would be trauma to the affected object. "Trauma" may commonly be used in medical terms, but it isn't exclusive. Because fireing nausea missiles is less impressive than hellfire/inferno/PURGEWITHFLAMES missiles. /realises he just quoted mr.freebooted.
It's probably more about how trauma is a medical condition, not a force in itself. Gravitron missiles might be more apropriate? (caldari using gravimetric systems and whatnot). |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:27:00 -
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Doh I forgot to use Civillian for Meta 0s.
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Newbee
New-Roots
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:31:00 -
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The hardwiring change is one of the few things I like about this. It really makes a lot of sense and they were confusing as hell.
All other changes for me feel like they are killing a big part of eve history that we have become so accustomed to
I remember my first time getting a 'malkuth' missile launcher and I would not have found it as cool if it had been an 'upgraded' one
Those specific names make items feel special and by making them all "one size fits all" even though it might be easier for some people it is really not worth losing that special feel in my opinion. I always felt like those names even if they are just technobableish added flavor to the game.
Also the missile launcher changes I have to agree with a few people that the "Light missile array" one sounds wrong
My point is keep the flavor of eve and have lots of technobableish cool names but also have good backstory for them. Don't make a boring name scheme that just names everything almost the same |
zcar300
SERCO Group
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:33:00 -
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Limited should come before upgrade. Otherwise what is it an "upgrade" of? And why is the upgrade limited?
Experimental and prototype kinda sound like the same thing. Although I certainly don't think they should be the other way around. |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:34:00 -
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If you rename my holy PWNAGE the Statue gets it.
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Klam
Church of Boom
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:38:00 -
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Cailais wrote:All sounds pretty boring and uninspired to me. If you want to jettison flavour and the sense of an exotic universe lets just get it over with: here you go
Modules:
Bestest Better Good Rubbish
Ships:
Biggest Big Average Small
Races:
A B C D
Job done.
C.
Well put. |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:39:00 -
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This is certainly the most mind-bogglingly stupid dev blog i have ever had the displeasure of reading. You sir deserve a swift and painful kick in the genital area for even mentioning such atrocities. |
TheLostPenguin
Surreal Departure
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:43:00 -
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No replies from anyone at CCP yet? Well I guess your engagement with the playerbase was nice for the little while it lasted, we got a few nice devblog comment threads where the relevant CCP peoples actually gave a damn and posted, even if I didn't agree with what they were saying at least they made an effort to discuss/defend their ideas.
Guess we're right back to head-in-the-sand "Screw you lot" CCP again |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:46:00 -
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-1 CCP Gnauton. Also, there's a backwards letter in your nametag. Is that supposed to give some warning about ability with names..?
"Light Missile Array" makes it impossible to find said item by searching for "launcher".
The meta naming schema makes no sense. Did you know that Meta 4 items are better than Meta 1 items? Well, within the new meta naming paradigm that isn't obviously the case (it wasn't obviously the case with the old names either, but I thought the goal was to fix that..?). Please use names that are less synonymous and that people can agree on as immediately conveying the "this item is better than that one" idea. And please for the love of god find a way to make the names descriptive, helpful and NOT BORING.
Invulnerability Fields were Invulnerability Fields rather than [DamageType] Hardener because they provide multiple damage type resists. Calling these multi-resist hardeners Invulnerability Fields was pretty clever and made sense. Calling a single resist item Invulnerability Field is kind of lame because each individual hardener only patches one resist, thus not exactly adding to your overall invulnerability (I can drive a train of EM missiles through someone who's shield tanking in a T1 ship without resist bonuses, fitting 5 kinetic shield hardeners... They would be as vulnerable as if they didn't have any hardeners at all.). Don't conflate the two types of shield hardeners by calling them all "Invulnearbility Fields". They are not.
Trauma is still a bad replacement name for kinetic damage. Scourge is so much more awesome.
I'm not against change as such, not at all. The old naming conventions were not that great for many things. But the new names aren't really an improvement that I'd personally be proud of. Pretty underwhelming, and falls short of the goal of making the names sensible. Playing the game sometimes might help...
Good job with the implants though, they were a total clusterfuck. Now they are much more clearly named and the names aren't devoid of sci-fi flavor. Please do the same for the other things that got an unflattering makeover. |
Shin Dari
The Vendunari Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:46:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62254 ill leave this here since it take to long to boil the entire argument down.
I would like to add that if you do go the meta theming arrage them a bit.
1 Enchanced - means you made some tweaks to get better performance 2 Upgraded - The fact you had to go out and replace parts to get better performance. 3 Prototype - Is basically the mass production variant before release. 4 Experimental - Not ready for the world or the world isnt ready for it.
This however... doesnt make in alphabetical order (oh noes)
So altenratively this is a generic list of useable words in alpha order
0 [_] Blank Space to force sort it to have it at the start of the list Advanced Augmented Boosted <- Meta 1 Nomation Converted <- Meta 1 Nomination, Sounds like no major engineering was required to improve performance Developed <- Meta 2 Nomination Enhanced <- Meta 2 Nomination, Sounds like some thought went into increasing performance Engineered <- Meta 3 Nomination, Sounds like alot of money and thought went into increasing performance Enriched Evolved Expanded Experimental <- Meta 3 Monimation, Once against sounds like money and time went into it. Innovated <- Meta 3/4 Nomation, Sounds like major investements where made to make these Improved Refined Perfected <- Meta 4 Nomation, Seriously only the obessed with would try to name something this confident it is so. Progressive Prototype <- Meta 4 Nomation, well it sounds cool but i have to agree dont use this if you use experimental. Upgraded Ultimatium Then you interject flavor names in partial or whole.
[Meta Name][Flavor/Faction Name][Module Name][Tech Mark]
Perfected Carbine 150mm Artillery Cannon I Caldari Navy Torpedo Launcher I Enginnered Scout's 425mm Railgun I
Then go around and smash alot of the longer multiple flavor names into smaller ones to keep the names small.
Also go back and redo the afterburners/mwd if you go with the above plan
Innovated Arc-Jet 100MN Afterburner I
This I strongly belive is the best of all worlds.
Also change the light missile array into something different, it still needs the launcher name in it but the light missile must be included.
The Rapid Light Missile launcher idea was good but has no indication it goes on larger ships.
Light Missile Battery Launcher however does.
I would go with:
1 Tuned 2 Upgraded 3 Experimental 4 Perfected
And this: Quote:[Meta Name][Flavor/Faction Name][Module Name][Tech Mark] Is good stuff. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3329
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:52:00 -
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We'd tried arguing this last time and ccp's in charge of the project never replied back acknoledging anything.
Reason why I made the alpha list was to make it easier on the sorting but one must carefully pick from the enitre list in order of increasing not so awsome to awsomest.
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Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:52:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Caldari Navy Torpedo Launcher I
Faction is not T1 and should not be marked as such.
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