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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:39:00 -
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The RiSK VS REWARDS RATIO OF TECH MOONS is way out of BALANCE WORSE THEN INCRUSIONs AS A SUPER mineral fountian worse then any ISK fountian! NERF IT BEFORE YOU NERF INCURSIONS OR MOVE SOME OF IT TO HI SEC!!! As an incursion FC I see wrecks every day in incrursions if you tell me it is absolutely risk free I'll call you a an ignorant liar to your face you just don't know the truth you NULL BEAR liars! I've never ever heard of ship loss created in passive moon goo ops
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/jesters-trek-risk-free-isk/ |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
767
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:40:00 -
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Darth shut up and go back to BTL. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:41:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Darth shut up and go back to BTL. MAKE ME BEETCH |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
96
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:42:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:The RiSK VS REWARDS RATIO OF TECH MOONS is way out of BALANCE WORSE THEN INCRUSIONs AS A SUPER mineral fountian worse then any ISK fountian! NERF IT BEFORE YOU NERF INCURSIONS OR MOVE SOME OF IT TO HI SEC!!! As an incursion FC I see wrecks every day in incrursions if you tell me it is absolutely risk free I'll call you a an ignorant liar to your face you just don't know the truth you NULL BEAR liars! I've never ever heard of ship loss created in passive moon goo ops http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/jesters-trek-risk-free-isk/
Tech moons: Also not risk free. See also: Nullsec.
Seriously, your incomprehensible babble is inversely proportionate to the sense this post would make if it were, in fact, intelligible or based on any veracity whatsoever. |
baltec1
742
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:53:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:The RiSK VS REWARDS RATIO OF TECH MOONS is way out of BALANCE WORSE THEN INCRUSIONs AS A SUPER mineral fountian worse then any ISK fountian! NERF IT BEFORE YOU NERF INCURSIONS OR MOVE SOME OF IT TO HI SEC!!! As an incursion FC I see wrecks every day in incrursions if you tell me it is absolutely risk free I'll call you a an ignorant liar to your face you just don't know the truth you NULL BEAR liars! I've never ever heard of ship loss created in passive moon goo ops http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/jesters-trek-risk-free-isk/
When did this last happen in an incursion? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5097
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:56:00 -
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It's always impressive when you see a post where every last thing said in it is wrongGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
354
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:58:00 -
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Yeah all those wars in nullsec are just co-incidence. I count 39 incidences of sovereignty changes in under the past 48 hours, according to Dotlan, and it's not even the week-end. The most violent systems are always null sec systems - 1250 ship losses in Etherium Reach alone in the past 24 hours, 10 times more than Tama.
Null sec is risk free! Once you put a POS on a technetium moon the devs give you a magic pass that means no one can touch that POS or that moon ever again.
Reality: The moons are heavily defended because they are worth so much. HTFU and go take one if you want one so bad. Oh wait, you can't, because there's a huge supercap fleet waiting to hot drop your arse 24/7. That's not called "risk free", it's called defending your stuff. Something empire care-bears just don't understand cos mommy Concord does it for you. Or not. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
356
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:04:00 -
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If tech moons are that easy to take why don't you have one |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
89
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:13:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:... OR MOVE SOME OF IT TO HI SEC!!!
funny idea
btw your corp dude, it's effin' old! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:15:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:If tech moons are that easy to take why don't you have one
Becuase TECH moons are all in NULL sec and NULL SEC is filled with ARSE HATS... There is oil&gold in Alaska you can just dig out of the ground why don't I live there? BECAUSE I HATE THE COLD DESOLATION and the polar bears look at me like I'm an appetizer :P I live in Newport Beach a bike ride from the beach in anice neighborhood but could be richer if I moved to Alaska why? Looking at bikinies during summer even though I'm broke is more my cup of tea then living under a rock surronded by glaciers eventhough my cave is lined with gold |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
695
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It's always impressive when you see a post where every last thing said in it is wrongGǪ
perhaps you should head to F&I sometime Tippia |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:18:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:... OR MOVE SOME OF IT TO HI SEC!!! funny idea btw your corp dude, it's effin' old! Yep it was a beta testing corp according to my CEO... we're older then GOONs ( then again many 3rd graders are older then GOONs and are more mature :) |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
89
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:21:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Yep it was a beta testing corp according to my CEO... we're older then GOONs ( then again many 3rd graders are older then GOONs and are more mature :)
i know , i was CEO loooooong ago |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
767
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:27:00 -
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Darth you really need to do your research more. Seriously man you are an idiot. You can mine moon goo in 0.3 systems and below and there are tech moons in low sec.
See Ref, pandemic legion towers in black rise area. |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
89
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:32:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Darth you really need to do your research more. Seriously man you are an idiot. You can mine moon goo in 0.3 systems and below and there are tech moons in low sec.
See Ref, pandemic legion towers in black rise area.
he said hi-sec no empire / low-sec.
for a second, imagine tech moons in 1.0 high-sec.
corp/alliances had to grind standings to be able to anchor/charter for towers. war-decs would be required for contesting it.
unrealistic i know, but could be fun |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
220
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:40:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:Darth you really need to do your research more. Seriously man you are an idiot. You can mine moon goo in 0.3 systems and below and there are tech moons in low sec.
See Ref, pandemic legion towers in black rise area. he said hi-sec no empire / low-sec. for a second, imagine tech moons in 1.0 high-sec. corp/alliances had to grind standings to be able to anchor/charter for towers. war-decs would be required for contesting it. unrealistic i know, but could be fun With the way POSes work currently, hisec POSes are literally unkillable. So if you got a moon you would have a totally risk free source of income.
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
45
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:44:00 -
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Also tech moons aren't ISK faucets like the CONCORD payouts on Incursions (the LP is also not an ISK faucet btw). People buy the products produced by Technetium granted, it's just money- err, ISK changing hands. Same story as with minerals and PLEX for that matter.
Independantly from this, the risk/reward of moon mining is a different kind than the usual as it is on an alliance level. I'd rather call it asset loss negation than riskyness because while you need to defend it, pretty much any losses are almost immediately reimbursed by the stupid levels of income Technetium provides - this effect is amplified when more than one such moon is owned.
Technetium moons aren't risky for large blocks because they can defend them, and the many moons reimburse any potential losses. They are however, risky for smaller entities who cannot adequately defend them. So it all boils down to the blob and force projection logistics once again - at least when it comes to risk assession.
Technetium does have an unhealthy iron grip on the invention market however; this is something which needs to change. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
457
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:44:00 -
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^^ hurray, give us moons post haste. disorientating |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
112
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:46:00 -
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Hey you should into getting a new keyboard, it looks like your caps lock key is broken. |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:50:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Hey you should into getting a new keyboard, it looks like your caps lock key is broken.
Not emptyquoting |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
96
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:51:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Hey you should into getting a new keyboard, it looks like your caps lock key is broken. Not emptyquoting
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Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1141
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:52:00 -
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RANDom capitalIZATION is coooL |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2246
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:57:00 -
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Hey, I'm sorry that your poor understanding of moon mining leads you to believe that it is in any way "risk-free." When was the last time your incursion was invaded by 60 titans and 100 supercarriers? When was the last time you actually had to fight to run your incursion? Just because you're a horrible incursion FC who allows incompetent logi pilots into fleets doesn't mean that hisec incursions are "risky" - it's your incompetence, not the inherent risk involved.
Now, considering that you have an utter obsession with risk vs. reward, why don't you stop being a risk averse baby and run lowsec incursions? Do you really believe your own nonsense about 150m/hour PvE in hisec with CONCORD protection not being broken? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:17:00 -
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Andski wrote:Hey, I'm sorry that your poor understanding of moon mining leads you to believe that it is in any way "risk-free." When was the last time your incursion was invaded by 60 titans and 100 supercarriers? When was the last time you actually had to fight to run your incursion? Just because you're a horrible incursion FC who allows incompetent logi pilots into fleets doesn't mean that hisec incursions are "risky" - it's your incompetence, not the inherent risk involved.
Now, considering that you have an utter obsession with risk vs. reward, why don't you stop being a risk averse baby and run lowsec incursions? Do you really believe your own nonsense about 150m/hour PvE in hisec with CONCORD protection not being broken?
1)cyno jam means I get invaded by 1 super per incursion 2)The last time I fought to run my incursion was when I black birded Darius III's MOM fleet. Before that in a lo sec incursion got jumped in a site but whole fleet got away. 3)I've had excellant logi pilots alpha'd & killed from lirsautton alpha in the Kundalini manifest no fault of thier own... NCS alpha too you don't have a clue yourself about Incursions troll. Your incompetence is only exceeded by your ignorance. Nobody can keep up 150 million an hour hi sec fleets for mutiple reasons your ignorance once again shows with the nonsense your spouting about second/third hand accounts.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1017
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:36:00 -
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Through what was one of the luckiest set of circumstances ever we owned a low sec tech moon for nearly a year. I can tell you when someone finally noticed much 'sploding occured and all traces of us there were quickly removed. I have no idea who owns the moon now but I bet they have lots of guns and caps to keep it safe.
I would like to see CCP add an alternative to the tech moon and finally give us an alchemy reaction for Technetium.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Canidate |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1139
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:51:00 -
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While the OP puts his point accross in about the stupidest way possible, I cannot help but agree with his point. I still say that the Tech in moons should deplete and randomely spawn in a new moon somewhere else in another region entirely. Yes this means scanning new moons for tech all the time and anchoring pos's for harvesting. Now there is RISK involved instead of having one system with Tech moons become heavily defended and fortified until it is impossible to assault like they are now. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:34:00 -
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Happiness is never hearing the stupid phrase "risk vs. reward," ever again. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1017
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:42:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:While the OP puts his point accross in about the stupidest way possible, I cannot help but agree with his point. I still say that the Tech in moons should deplete and randomely spawn in a new moon somewhere else in another region entirely. Yes this means scanning new moons for tech all the time and anchoring pos's for harvesting. Now there is RISK involved instead of having one system with Tech moons become heavily defended and fortified until it is impossible to assault like they are now.
It would also force alliances to actually defend all of their space instead of just the few major systems they care about that thave tech moons. Instead of going to war for Tech moon systems people would have a reason again to go to war for the rest of the currently useless systems in hopes of having a better chance of getting Tech moons.
I made a proposal a while back the the high moon deplete and move as you suggest. Add to that changes in the super caps that make them essentially mobile stations and null suddenly becomes a lot more dynamic.
A power block would have to periodically find the new high value moons, then migrate using their super caps for support in their efforts to capture the new moon locations.
Issler |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
52
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:49:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I would like to see CCP add an alternative to the tech moon and finally give us an alchemy reaction for Technetium.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Canidate
I like the idea that drones could randomly poop out moon goo like they do minerals so the monopolies could be broken. I'd laugh too if incursions started popping up in wormholes.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2538
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:50:00 -
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tech moons need a nerf but the guy who wrote the article (unsuprisingly) is a complete moron
nobody, anywhere, transports tech or tech products in a blockade runner |
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