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Sazumaan Johnza Minmatar Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 04:43:00 - [1] I have recently sexified my PC and chucked in a quad core. Dear Devs are you ever going to support Dual / Quad systems? "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07]
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.04.24 04:46:00 - [2] I just upgraded to a Q6600 myself, EVE CTDs now every time after I click on my character portrait after I log in =(. I filed a bug report, but still, very lame.
Shaun Klaroh Caldari Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD	Posted - 2008.04.24 04:46:00 - [3] It never supported dual cores in the first place? WTH? ----- Quote: "Are these people prisoners?" Arkhan asked. "Not at all," Melak replied. "They're free to run and get shot any time they like."
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.24 05:10:00 - [4] EVE supports quad core. 1 client per core, 4 accounts at once. My own little gank squad. Hate Farmers? Click Here
Cassandra B	Posted - 2008.04.24 05:19:00 - [5] I would be very happy to see dual core support at least. In my opinon, it would stop a lot of complaint about lag etc, those who have better computers will be advantatged =) would be an incentive for everybody to upgrade their computers and stop blaming CCP whe they get 'lag' even though its user side =) Just my opioion
Snaps	Posted - 2008.04.24 05:27:00 - [6] yea, these cpu's have been out for what now 2 yrs or more. lets get this software dubble threaded asap...
Benglada Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.24 05:31:00 - [7] works on my q6600 fine, does only run on one proc IIRC though. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil (mods@ccpgames.com)
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 05:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Snaps yea, these cpu's have been out for what now 2 yrs or more. lets get this software dubble threaded asap... On startup, eve uses 7 threads. Why do you want more? It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core.
Sazumaan Johnza Minmatar Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 06:04:00 - [9] Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. Is that really true..? "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07]
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 06:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Sazumaan Johnza Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. Is that really true..? I have no in-depth experience with stackless python, but i believe that is the case, which is the same for the server software

Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Angela Toren on 24/04/2008 08:20:38 Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. Whoa that's a pretty big statement there mr. If you are right (and I hope you're not) then what you are saying is the EVE client and server nodes run on code that will always be limited to 1 processor 1 core? If that's true then therin lies the problem of why we can't have nice things i.e. big fleet fights. Can any real stackless python programmers confirm/deny LaVistas statement? If he's right can we have a EVE II please that utilizes dual processor and multi cores? _______ Oh Mindy...
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Sazumaan Johnza Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. Is that really true..? I'm affraid it is, out of the box, python cannot be used on multiple cores, and actually has something called the Global Interpreter Lock that prevents multiple threads from being active at the same time. However, there are workarounds, such as breaking it up into multiple processes, which each run at different cores and communicate with eachother, instead of trying to run multiple threads. It would be logical to assume that they already have this on their servers, as different processes can take care of different, very specific aspects of the game. You don't need things like the Market and the Mission Journal to be in the same process, at least that's what I'd say as programmer. But this is just speculation and even I could of course be wrong. --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. I invite you to take a look at the campaign website for issues and further information. Visit our Campaign Website
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:56:00 - [13] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 24/04/2008 08:58:26 Originally by: Angela Toren Edited by: Angela Toren on 24/04/2008 08:20:38 Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. Whoa that's a pretty big statement there mr. If you are right (and I hope you're not) then what you are saying is the EVE client and server nodes run on code that will always be limited to 1 processor 1 core? If that's true then therin lies the problem of why we can't have nice things i.e. big fleet fights. Can any real stackless python programmers confirm/deny LaVistas statement? If he's right can we have a EVE II please that utilizes dual processor and multi cores? It's definately the case on the server. ALL system services runs in 1 process, and can't be distributed across more than 1 core. EDIT: You have to remember that the source is up to about 10 years old at this point. At this point, dualcore CPU's weren't common, so the system wasn't designed with it in mind, neither that it should have to scale.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah However, there are workarounds, such as breaking it up into multiple processes, which each run at different cores and communicate with eachother, instead of trying to run multiple threads. It would be logical to assume that they already have this on their servers, as different processes can take care of different, very specific aspects of the game. You don't need things like the Market and the Mission Journal to be in the same process, at least that's what I'd say as programmer. But this is just speculation and even I could of course be wrong. But from what i understand, it's NOT the case on the server. 1 system, which inludes several services, all has to run inside 1 core. That was what was explained at fanfest(s) and devblogs.
Lin Haraka Legio Conquistus Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:00:00 - [15] Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. What he said. In other news AMD Phenom rules nuff said
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:02:00 - [16] Originally by: LaVista Vista It's definately the case on the server. ALL system services runs in 1 process, and can't be distributed across more than 1 core. Hence Jita.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: LaVista Vista It's definately the case on the server. ALL system services runs in 1 process, and can't be distributed across more than 1 core. Hence Jita. Exactly. If the market service was moved to another core, it would help a lot. Originally by: Lin Haraka Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. What he said. In other news AMD Phenom rules nuff said I haven't read a lot about the Phenom. But does the Phenom actually have any algorithms to splits threads across cores?
Lin Haraka Legio Conquistus Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:13:00 - [18] LaVista talked to me daaaang my medications are working :P Well i dont know about the thread splitting but AMD Phenom philosophy for quads is 4 standalone cores opposed to Intels "quad" which is 2*core duo. The test favour the Intel but i think thats just programming bias-ness-itty :P Tbh i didnt experience any freezeups or anything since i welded it in to me box.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Lin Haraka LaVista talked to me daaaang my medications are working :P Hi there Mr/Mrs. How are you today? It's nice to meet you. I shall read a bit more about the Phenom doing my lunch break.. T-Minus 4+ minutes!
Lin Haraka Legio Conquistus Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:18:00 - [20] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Lin Haraka LaVista talked to me daaaang my medications are working :P Hi there Mr/Mrs. How are you today? It's nice to meet you. I shall read a bit more about the Phenom doing my lunch break.. T-Minus 4+ minutes! Uuuuh 4mins I always wanted to know how to tell Pleasant eating must be a phrase for it somewhere :( Damn my non english native language

Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:40:00 - [21] Edited by: Shintai on 24/04/2008 09:41:58 Originally by: Lin Haraka Originally by: LaVista Vista It all comes down to the stackless python, it just doesn't support concurrency across more than 1 core. What he said. In other news AMD Phenom rules nuff said Ye, they rule the flop and suck of the CPU world. Anyway, Eve is single threaded. The best performance right now would be a Core 2 Duo if 1-2 clients. Or a Core 2 Quad if you are in the 3-4+ range. But on the other hands Quads are so cheap anyway. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Lin Haraka Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Lin Haraka LaVista talked to me daaaang my medications are working :P Hi there Mr/Mrs. How are you today? It's nice to meet you. I shall read a bit more about the Phenom doing my lunch break.. T-Minus 4+ minutes! Uuuuh 4mins I always wanted to know how to tell Pleasant eating must be a phrase for it somewhere :( Damn my non english native language My lunchbreak ends in 4 minutes now. I ate a nice egg and bacon sandwhich, and i found out that the Phenom is worthless!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Robacz on 24/04/2008 09:49:53 Originally by: LaVista Vista Exactly. If the market service was moved to another core, it would help a lot. Hmm, I remember dev saying that market itself has very low effect on Jita's lag. He said item manipulation is what is causing the lag (which includes goods movement from/to hangars when people buy/sell, but also fitting, all container work, ship cargo, industry jobs etc etc). Also I am not 100% sure, but I think I remember one of them saying that market service is not running on same machine as Jita solar system. Since market is region wide, it would make sense.
Lin Haraka Legio Conquistus Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:52:00 - [24] Originally by: LaVista Vista My lunchbreak ends in 4 minutes now. I ate a nice egg and bacon sandwhich, and i found out that the Phenom is worthless! first off dont mention Bacon to me second off phenom worthless is not its the true quad processor none of that weld another product to our previous (references two coreduos) c**p for me
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Robacz Edited by: Robacz on 24/04/2008 09:49:53 Originally by: LaVista Vista Exactly. If the market service was moved to another core, it would help a lot. Hmm, I remember dev saying that market itself has very low effect on Jita's lag. He said item manipulation is what is causing the lag (which includes goods movement from/to hangars when people buy/sell, but also fitting, all container work, ship cargo, industry jobs etc etc). Also I am not 100% sure, but I think I remember one of them saying that market service is not running on same machine as Jita solar system. Since market is region wide, it would make sense. Wait, i could swear that the dev said that it was the market, which caused all the lag.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Lin Haraka Originally by: LaVista Vista My lunchbreak ends in 4 minutes now. I ate a nice egg and bacon sandwhich, and i found out that the Phenom is worthless! first off dont mention Bacon to me second off phenom worthless is not its the true quad processor none of that weld another product to our previous (references two coreduos) c**p for me Oh, I'm sorry. I couldn't possibly leave out the danish bacon in the sandwhich. They didn't have any chicken sandwhich left. But while the architecture of Phenom is most interesting, the C2D is faster, according to THG. I should have explained that in details, but the proffesor was entering class when i was writing the post
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:01:00 - [27] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Robacz Edited by: Robacz on 24/04/2008 09:49:53 Originally by: LaVista Vista Exactly. If the market service was moved to another core, it would help a lot. Hmm, I remember dev saying that market itself has very low effect on Jita's lag. He said item manipulation is what is causing the lag (which includes goods movement from/to hangars when people buy/sell, but also fitting, all container work, ship cargo, industry jobs etc etc). Also I am not 100% sure, but I think I remember one of them saying that market service is not running on same machine as Jita solar system. Since market is region wide, it would make sense. Wait, i could swear that the dev said that it was the market, which caused all the lag. He said item manipulation, which (on Jita) comes often from market, not market service itself (when some system crashes, market still works in other systems within region - and when market crashes, it doesnt work in any system within region - that makes me believe that market thread is independent on solar system threads). I am trying to find the thread, but since Eve-O search sucks, Eve-Search returns timeouts it is not easy... :P
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Robacz Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Robacz Edited by: Robacz on 24/04/2008 09:49:53 Originally by: LaVista Vista Exactly. If the market service was moved to another core, it would help a lot. Hmm, I remember dev saying that market itself has very low effect on Jita's lag. He said item manipulation is what is causing the lag (which includes goods movement from/to hangars when people buy/sell, but also fitting, all container work, ship cargo, industry jobs etc etc). Also I am not 100% sure, but I think I remember one of them saying that market service is not running on same machine as Jita solar system. Since market is region wide, it would make sense. Wait, i could swear that the dev said that it was the market, which caused all the lag. He said item manipulation, which (on Jita) comes often from market, not market service itself (when some system crashes, market still works in other systems within region - and when market crashes, it doesnt work in any system within region - that makes me believe that market thread is independent on solar system threads). I am trying to find the thread, but since Eve-O search sucks, Eve-Search returns timeouts it is not easy... :P You are probably right, it would also make more sense!
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:45:00 - [29] have to disagree whatever the limits of python and the trickery CCP uses, my 4 cores all fire up and work,pretty much evenly, when I run EVE. but knowing you guys normally know your stuff,can someone explain what is happening on my quad core? thanks
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Bimjo have to disagree whatever the limits of python and the trickery CCP uses, my 4 cores all fire up and work,pretty much evenly, when I run EVE. but knowing you guys normally know your stuff,can someone explain what is happening on my quad core? thanks 100% on each core? or 25% on each? If so, your OS/Game is simply jumping the thread around. In short..performance loss. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry

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