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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:25:00 -
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Far be it for me to belittle the olive branch from CCP to the community that is the CSM, I just can't bring myself to give a monkeys about it.
Only a small proportion of the players that are vocal on the forums (I don't know what percentage of the actual player-base this represents) will get their voices heard....in a strictly advisory capacity.
Although I'm sure that all the candidates have everyoneÆs best intentions at heart, I can't help thinking that I would say anything to get on a jolly to Iceland.
Is the CCP bar subsidised?
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:27:00 -
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I just can't bring myself to gave a monkeys about this either. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:27:00 -
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Hrm...you don't care at all about the CSM, but you care enough to make a post telling everyone you don't care? ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
The TX
Gallente Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Hrm...you don't care at all about the CSM, but you care enough to make a post telling everyone you don't care?
I'd say he was just bored. I'd probably do the same.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:30:00 -
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A CSM forum is needed for the following reasons:
1. People like the OP can ignore the CSM as much as they like 2. People who are interested about the CSM can have a place to go to read all the information in one place.
It needs to happen.
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Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:39:00 -
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Indeed, I have a vague idea what it is and I don't really care. Just ignore the CSM posts, like I do.
Nothing good could come of it, for me that is, just a PR stunt..eve community bond Devs! >
But don't mind me, I'm usually bitter.
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Hrm...you don't care at all about the CSM, but you care enough to make a post telling everyone you don't care?
As a fellow poster who also has nothing better to do at work, I think you could understand posting an opinion even though you are completely indifferent.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:42:00 -
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That's all good, just do those that do care a favor and don't vote instead of voting for a comedy option, read goon.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:52:00 -
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Unfortuanlty for me, my work pays well....but is boring so I like to read the forums (and NOT look at p0rn) when I should be doing stuff. Yup IÆm bored. Maybe I should do something more fulfilling like building schools in Africa.....not sure if they have Sky Sports out there though?
I agree with Winterblink, a separate forum is required for this subject, as those of us who are not interested are being exposed to hideous walls of text, some of which may be filled with awful amounts of self propaganda; a further reason to switch off imo.
No info on the bar then?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: Tarminic Hrm...you don't care at all about the CSM, but you care enough to make a post telling everyone you don't care?
As a fellow poster who also has nothing better to do at work, I think you could understand posting an opinion even though you are completely indifferent.
Hrm, your logic is undeniable. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
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Zapatero
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Posted - 2008.04.24 16:02:00 -
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Personally, I think the collective IQ of the forums has gone up since the candidates were announced. There's still plenty of anger, but at least it's fairly intelligent anger...
That said, it's well within anyone's right not to care. EVE is a game. If you want to just play, then just play.
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Hana Lena
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.24 16:14:00 -
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My idea for the CSM voting is a pop up window in game that has a list of the candidates with a vote button and an abstained button but you have to chose one or the other before you can do anything else in game. that way we get the full community voice on the matter. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING Proud to be in the FNA (for over a year) and not be a alt!
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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hana Lena My idea for the CSM voting is a pop up window in game that has a list of the candidates with a vote button and an abstained button but you have to chose one or the other before you can do anything else in game. that way we get the full community voice on the matter.
Not really, you get an election result.
How many of those people will know who/what they are voting for? How many of those people are active and able to pass on their concerns/ideas over the forums? IÆm not talking about access, but more an ability to put that into text (and in English) in a manner where their thoughts are taken seriously.
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Acies Invictus
Neoteric War Syndicate Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.24 16:50:00 -
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The CSM thing reminds me of student government at universities. People who are really into the school and care about it put the time to research candidates or even run. But the vast majority of people are there to go to school and enjoy themselves without getting embroiled in school politics. _______________________________________________ Human beings didn't evolve brains in order to lie around on lakes. Killing's the first thing we learned. And a good thing we did, or we'd be dead, |
Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.04.24 16:51:00 -
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Paid mouthpieces, all is peace and love... that's all we'll ever here from the CSM, even when someone from the outside slaps them around with another T20.
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Nickaelhoop
Minmatar AlphaGV Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.24 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nickaelhoop on 24/04/2008 17:36:07 As a candidate I do share an interest in the CSM. I am not doing for the trip to Iceland, I'm doing it for the community. I may be a young player but in my time I have picked up on a lot and my knowledge is rapidly growing for the better.
Ill leave the propaganda to my website as not to annoy those of you who are not interested and not to make myself seem big headed
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink A CSM forum is needed for the following reasons:
1. People like the OP can ignore the CSM as much as they like 2. People who are interested about the CSM can have a place to go to read all the information in one place.
It needs to happen.
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abraheam
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:10:00 -
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I do not care either. I thought there was a sticky for discussion on this matter?
With regards to the election itself, it is a political feature. This game does not support the proper functions that go along with a proper political feature. This is a cut throat game, which I enjoy, the problem is it doesnt present anything that resembles a optimal setting for "honest" political endeavors.
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William Alex
Viscosity
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: William Alex on 24/04/2008 18:12:23
Originally by: Acies Invictus The CSM thing reminds me of student government at universities. People who are really into the school and care about it put the time to research candidates or even run. But the vast majority of people are there to go to school and enjoy themselves without getting embroiled in school politics.
This. All we need now is for the CSM to come crying after a year of nothing happening and realiseing his/her position is that of a figurehead.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:19:00 -
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I care. Ish. Well, I care in principal. I'm struggling a bit to get enthusiastic about any given candidate, in part because there are so many of them, in part because it's a chore to find any of their campaign pieces drowned in General Discussion. I simply don't know what any of them really stand for, and I can't see an easy way of finding out.
If CCP want to drum up more enthusiasm (my enthusiasm, anyhow) they need to make the CSM forum happen, and possibly stage some CSM campaign events like live TS/irc debates, or letting the candidates use some of the banner space on the EVE-O website (currently filled mostly with ancient Chronicle links) to promote their campaigns. |
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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Voltain on 24/04/2008 18:34:37 I'm still not interested, I haven't read much on the subject but here's a thought to digest:
Does the implementation of the CSM indicate a wish from CCP to take a step back from direct dialogue with their client base?
As a paying customer, is it not my right to open a communication on subjects I deem important enough with a representative of CCP on a one to one basis. To be frank, the best person to look out for my needs as an individual is me. How will somebody I did not want/need/know/pay do this better than I can, at the end of the day I hold within my power a much more influential vote, I can opt to spend my RL isk or not(ermm.... please don't mis-interpret, I'm not saying oh noes I'm going!).
It'll all end in tears anyway. after ambulation, once the swa nky council chambers have been completed with imported silk wallpapers and the sex scandals with slave boys are revealed a referendum will be called to dissolve the CSM and turn the place into a lapdancing club.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:55:00 -
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For the ones that don't care - or rather think CSM is a bad idea I hope you all do vote with the 'none of the above' option to show your opinion. Not voting at all will def send the views of it being the right step to proceed with CSM if so.
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Cordran Li
Gallente The Really Awesome Players Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:58:00 -
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Awesome, more political slackers, just like in real life.
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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cordran Li Awesome, more political slackers, just like in real life.
Hey! my forefathers fought in wars so I had the RIGHT to abstain from fair and democratic voting <shakes fist>.
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abraheam
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cordran Li Awesome, more political slackers, just like in real life.
Keeping up with politics is hard work IMO. It involves more then chest beating over your favored politicians(or in most cases parties) talking points...Contrary to what most people believe. I will do it in R/L, but not in a game.
Depending on how much power the CSM canidates wield you have now added a featured that is "required" in this "sandbox" game of ours if you want your viewpoint to be presented.
I like the system that is currently in use by every other MMO out there. THe Developers present an idea, and either allow feedback, or dont. Either way if the idea is implemented there is a need for adaptation in many cases. It keeps the gaming experience fresh IMO.
I do not like ideas being put forth and either failing, or succeeding based on the popularity of the person presenting them.
Short version: Calling people "political slackers" because they do not care for the idea of the CSM is quite narrow minded IMO.
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Miukie
Amarr Killed In Action
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba For the ones that don't care - or rather think CSM is a bad idea I hope you all do vote with the 'none of the above' option to show your opinion. Not voting at all will def send the views of it being the right step to proceed with CSM if so.
Actually I believe that voting none of the above, will send the message that I may vote for some other candidate. In my opinion, not voting at all will send the message that I donÆt want the CSM and/or I just donÆt care. |
Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:54:00 -
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I'd like to appeal to the 'none of the above' voters out there to instead vote for me in the hope that I can turn the CSM into something you will be interested in and get all these CSM threads into their own section so you can ignore them.
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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:19:00 -
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The only candidate that I'll be inclined to vote for, or even read the manifesto of will be looking to do the following:
Lie, shamelessly to get onto the CSM. Have no interest at all with any type of virtual political system. Blag their way out to Iceland. Drink all of CCPs beer. Flirt with the Dev's wives and girlfriends relentlessly. Steal their stationary. RULE the dancefloors. Make rude, bordering on the offensive suggestions for in-game material and admit to being turned on by the thought of virtual sexual encounters, use diagrams and home-made film to emphasise the point. Get deported back to their own country, no better than that, a third world country.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal This, I'm sick of seeing, hearing and reading about it tbh, it's everywhere.
But what would be left then? Just locked threads whining about BACON.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:23:00 -
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RL needs some form of Democracy to guareente basic freedoms and fairnes.
Eve needs the Iron Hand of the Dev Dictatorship to achive the same.
Allowing the playerbase to influance any part of Eve is not in the playerbases best interest imho.
But.
As long as CCP keeps the right to deny implimintation of any suggestions made by the CSM and doesn't let the moar cunning members of the CSM pull a fast one off by banding together and attacking CCP over a denied issue on teh forums then I'm all for it.
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