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Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:46:00 -
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oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
-- Ralara / Ralarina
I did a big poo once that wouldn't flush, so I put a carrier bag around my hand and picked it out, and put it in the green bin.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
My rant has a lot of consistency. And my rant about "circumstancial" holds a very valid point: can CCP bring solid proof that a player used his credit card or any other means of real money payment to buy isk from an isk seller? cause if they don't they act on a "hunch", and maybe one day you will be involved in a trade (of any shape) with a character that you don't know is a isk seller and you will find your isk removed just for that..
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
lol
You really lack the IQ to understand, don't ya?
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Ralara oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
lol
You really lack the IQ to understand, don't ya?
IQ??? I doubt he could spell it... ----------------------------
Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Estel Arador Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
My rant has a lot of consistency. And my rant about "circumstancial" holds a very valid point: can CCP bring solid proof that a player used his credit card or any other means of real money payment to buy isk from an isk seller? cause if they don't they act on a "hunch", and maybe one day you will be involved in a trade (of any shape) with a character that you don't know is a isk seller and you will find your isk removed just for that..
Then give us your full api key!
CCP have given us these key so we can share them with people without risk of compromising your account data! And since you only can read data from the API, not add anything - you are fully without any risk!
So please. Your API Key?
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:12:00 -
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I forwarded this thread to my dog and in protest he will quit too !!! Also he will cancel his life time subscription to the CCP doggy biscuits, I know dog years are not like our years, but still that's a lot.
Rule of the thumb, you did nothing wrong you try and fight the system, you have done shady business you come and whine on the forums.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Red Desire I forwarded this thread to my dog and in protest he will quit too !!! Also he will cancel his life time subscription to the CCP doggy biscuits, I know dog years are not like our years, but still that's a lot.
Rule of the thumb, you did nothing wrong you try and fight the system, you have done shady business you come and whine on the forums.
I also forwarded your reply to my pitbull and he offers to bite your dog by the nech and put it out of misery really fast.. You are a very bad dog owner, dragging your dog in this misery..
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too .. dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
Shame. I used to know some dancers who were gamers.
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you. dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 11:38:39
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
Shame. I used to know some dancers (different thing I know) who were gamers.
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
Thx m8 (finnaly someone understood my issues here)!!!
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:45:00 -
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Ha ha! Very funny.
You got 300M ISK into your wallet from someone you don't know. When CCP took 300M out, you went negative. That means you had less than 300M in your wallet, which means when you got the ISK from nowhere, you went and spent it.
How often do you do these 300M ISK transactions with people you don't know, without using the contract system?
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
If you don't want to argue with the refs, all you have to do is NOT CHEAT.
This isn't a hard concept. Obviously the OP bought ISK. He's about to cancel his account yet he is unwilling to post his API key to verify his claims; the key can do nothing except reveal some info about the character, there is no security risk.
He doesn't want everyone to see the ISK transfer from his good "friend" jkljdfs :P
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
If you don't want to argue with the refs, all you have to do is NOT CHEAT.
This isn't a hard concept. Obviously the OP bought ISK. He's about to cancel his account yet he is unwilling to post his API key to verify his claims; the key can do nothing except reveal some info about the character, there is no security risk.
He doesn't want everyone to see the ISK transfer from his good "friend" jkljdfs :P
If you don't cheat and a GM makes a mistake you're in exactly the same boat as if you had cheated. GM's do make mistakes. The petition escallation process is just as long either way. Some people may find that unenjoyable and hence quit.
Is that a hard concept for you? No. Didn't think so.
Everything else about the OP is frankly moot as we do not know more than the GMs and the API key won't make much difference. So a cheater made a mistake and accidentally sent the OP money. Ever sold something on the market with the decimal point in the wrong place? Mistakes happen.
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting. dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
From this thread i'd say its pretty clear the OP bought ISK and got smacked. Good job CCP.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
Raekone
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:18:00 -
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I scimmed through this but have still not found any response to the only relevant question of the lot.
Did you, he asked without expecting an answer, get back what you sold for those 300 mil?
PS. Also, please fix your ridiculous forums ccp =) I've been trying to post this incredibly important message for the past 5 mins
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/04/2008 12:21:50
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
From this thread i'd say its pretty clear the OP bought ISK and got smacked. Good job CCP.
I have to agree.
Twice I have told him to give us his full API key so we could see that he do not lie. Twice he have ignored it.Some others have also asked for it. And when we know CCP gave us the API key so we could use these without compromising our account data plus that you can only read character data and change the APi as soon we have confirmed he is not lying.
Based on this I can only come to the same conclusion as CCP.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:24:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secured games trough the RMT market.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:29:00 -
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yeah CCP sucks lately with there actions how the hell do you know when someone buy`s isk. and the buy something from you with that isk..
CCP should act quicker and come with decent proof.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:30:00 -
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On the other hand, I have transfered billions of isk between myself, my alts and friends of mine for, to CCP, no apparent reason what so ever. It's never been any trouble at all (and why should it if it's legit) so I get the feeling that when something like this happens it is in fact due to dirty going ons. So maybe the OP has been naughty
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Scout McAlt on 25/04/2008 12:35:28 GM's already stated in other threads that they do not reverse market orders, contracts and Secure GTCc's. They only reverse donations where it comes from isk sellers.
Tell us, did you receive this 300mil via a "Donation"? Because the person who made you a donation might have been a isk seller!
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
If i suddenly got 300 mill from the player fakdfasdkh i would understand what it was. If i then lost those 300 mill it would not matter one bit.
Besides that guy needs those 300 mill to pay for his dinner so its unlikely that he will do so.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:37:00 -
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And what am I supposed to do if somebody sends me ALL of their isk, because they were only supposed to send me 100 million, but they put an extra nought or threeon the end, and I keep it?
What am I supposed to do when somebody puts 100 million isk bounty on me?
Am I supposed to go running to the GMs and BEG them to let me keep it? CCPs policy is clearly not robust enough to withstand scrutiny, which is likely why they are suppressing all genuine information about it at the moment.
It's bad enough having to argue with the refs every time yet another one of the myriad of CONCORD bugs "that don't exist"(tm) takes your ship away, but the refs actually deliberately sticking their noses in is just a whole new level of pathetic.
CCPs policy of chasing ISK buyers, instead of terminating the farmers and seller networks is causing unnecessary harrassment of the innocent, and it is long past time they stopped doing it.
I can't see any of CCP's shareholder agreeing though.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Fifth Horseman And what am I supposed to do if somebody sends me ALL of their isk, because they were only supposed to send me 100 million, but they put an extra nought or threeon the end, and I keep it?
What am I supposed to do when somebody puts 100 million isk bounty on me?
Am I supposed to go running to the GMs and BEG them to let me keep it? CCPs policy is clearly not robust enough to withstand scrutiny, which is likely why they are suppressing all genuine information about it at the moment.
It's bad enough having to argue with the refs every time yet another one of the myriad of CONCORD bugs "that don't exist"(tm) takes your ship away, but the refs actually deliberately sticking their noses in is just a whole new level of pathetic.
CCPs policy of chasing ISK buyers, instead of terminating the farmers and seller networks is causing unnecessary harrassment of the innocent, and it is long past time they stopped doing it.
I can't see any of CCP's shareholder agreeing though.
CCP is a private company therefore has no shareholders. Well, its private "shareholders" can quite simply agree that this is good. Screw over isk sellers and get people buying GTC's insted.
Now if someone gave you all their isk, then keep it. If a Isk sellers was to give you isk, whats your get out clause? if you are given counterfit money from a "friend" and this gets discovered, you lose that money. Fact of life.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shanur
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secured games trough the RMT market.
Quick re-cap then;
Some ISK seller wires the OP money. Yeah, so the money was tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits.
He should never have had the money in the first place but has decided he doesn't like the unilateral way GMs can act over his gaming experience.
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Someone, somehow involved in ISK selling, buys a plex item from the OP. They get fingered as being an ISK seller. GMs investigate. Yeah, so the money is now counted as tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) but the plex item wasn't returned in it's place. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP has been on the receiving end of GM mistake.
API key might help a little in sorting this out but not if he traded the item with someone and received ISK from someone else.
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OP buys ISK. Yeah, so the money was tainted. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP is an idiot.
Resolving this without full access to the server logs, the OPS bank account/CC details, and a lie detector isn't going to happen here.
Someone is unhappy with the game and is quitting. Oh well, happens all the time.
Anyway my CentOS Xen Server Guest has finally built itself so I have better things to be doing like setting up TRAC and Subversion. |
Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 25/04/2008 13:02:48 Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 25/04/2008 13:01:52
Originally by: Scout McAlt Now if someone gave you all their isk, then keep it. If a Isk sellers was to give you isk, whats your get out clause? if you are given counterfit money from a "friend" and this gets discovered, you lose that money. Fact of life.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHH. That was the sound of the pointing going over your head. When I receive ISK from somebody I DO NOT KNOW, and it happens A LOT, I am exposing myself to CCPs barbaric practices. Since the instances of barbarism have gone through the roof in the last month, I'm frankly surprised CCP havn't stiffed me yet.
And I know full well I haven't even bought so much as GTC4ISK, let alone Rice Farmer Gift Package.
The very finest thing I could hope to find now, is a thread by one of these fanboi CCP apologists, complaining he is quitting Eve because it was his turn in CCPs barrel.
I literally would throw up into my keyboard laughing.
I don't know how many of these Part Time Fuhrers you've dealt with, but none, zero, not one of them will EVER justify his actions or decisions. You will NOT get to see any of the "evidence" they used to convict. YOU will NOT have any evidence submitted by you considered as valid in any way. You WILL be called a liar, and you WILL be threatened with further sanctions if you do not IMMEDIATELY shut up and take what you have currently been granted.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Shanur
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secured games trough the RMT market.
Quick re-cap then;
Some ISK seller wires the OP money. Yeah, so the money was tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits.
He should never have had the money in the first place but has decided he doesn't like the unilateral way GMs can act over his gaming experience.
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Someone, somehow involved in ISK selling, buys a plex item from the OP. They get fingered as being an ISK seller. GMs investigate. Yeah, so the money is now counted as tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) but the plex item wasn't returned in it's place. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP has been on the receiving end of GM mistake.
API key might help a little in sorting this out but not if he traded the item with someone and received ISK from someone else.
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OP buys ISK. Yeah, so the money was tainted. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP is an idiot.
Resolving this without full access to the server logs, the OPS bank account/CC details, and a lie detector isn't going to happen here.
Someone is unhappy with the game and is quitting. Oh well, happens all the time.
Anyway my CentOS Xen Server Guest has finally built itself so I have better things to be doing like setting up TRAC and Subversion.
What I think has happened, and this happened in NPC corp chat, was a guy bought isk and could not understand why the isk got taken off him, he was giving abuse off isk farmers etc saying he never bought isk.
Eventually he admitted his girlfrind bought isk from a website for his birthday present.
Anyhow the OP can clarify a lot of things - Has he received any donation from a dodgey source for 300mil? y/n
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:10:00 -
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Either the new GM tools are very good and they weed out the crap, OR they're not very good and mow down innocent players in the process.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:15:00 -
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Since you are all eager to see my api API key, I'll give it to you:
cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
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