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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk?
How long does it take these farmers to make this?!
Well...
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Blackjack Turner
Caldari Inverted Awareness United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:57:00 -
[182]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
Awesome!!
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Lurana Lay
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Posted - 2008.04.29 01:54:00 -
[183]
See, now that kinda stuff is what we like to see. Good job whacking some of those RMT'ers.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 29/04/2008 02:34:50
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
I love you.
Please keep this up.
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Aramova
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:41:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Aramova on 29/04/2008 02:42:16 I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Nobody should doubt that mistakes do happen, and I would propose that petitions that are escalated A) Have a faster SLA (and turnaround), and B) carry some form of additional punishment if it is provable beyond a reasonable doubt that the user in fact broke the EULA.
Helps keep rule breakers from appealing, and helps the true innocent get their goods back sooner.
None the less, good catch, and everyone I'm sure is refreshed by this new open communication by the GMs. ________________________________
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aramova Edited by: Aramova on 29/04/2008 02:42:16 I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Nobody should doubt that mistakes do happen, and I would propose that petitions that are escalated A) Have a faster SLA (and turnaround), and B) carry some form of additional punishment if it is provable beyond a reasonable doubt that the user in fact broke the EULA.
Helps keep rule breakers from appealing, and helps the true innocent get their goods back sooner.
None the less, good catch, and everyone I'm sure is refreshed by this new open communication by the GMs.
There is a profile in EON 11 about me and I talk about the RMT issue, all of this anti-RMT action seems to be happening after I was interviewed for EON.
I almost wonder if I had anything to do with it....
The fact that there are so many whiners about this means that CCP is actually taking charge of the issue and I hope it continues.
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Aramova
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: voogru There is a profile in EON 11 about me and I talk about the RMT issue, all of this anti-RMT action seems to be happening after I was interviewed for EON.
I almost wonder if I had anything to do with it....
The fact that there are so many whiners about this means that CCP is actually taking charge of the issue and I hope it continues.
Major kudos to you as well for all your hard work in fighting the isk farmers, we can't just recognize the GM's work without thanking those who helped push this new policy of reform, ________________________________
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Varopriest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:58:00 -
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WTG CCP! I think most of us have been waiting for a response from the GM's on this. Who knows? Maybe we'll see a reduction in these threads where someone is claiming that their isk was taken wrongfully. Remember: "That which does not kill you, makes you giggle. And tends to change your native language to Smackinese." |
Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Aramova Edited by: Aramova on 29/04/2008 02:42:16 I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Nobody should doubt that mistakes do happen, and I would propose that petitions that are escalated A) Have a faster SLA (and turnaround), and B) carry some form of additional punishment if it is provable beyond a reasonable doubt that the user in fact broke the EULA.
Helps keep rule breakers from appealing, and helps the true innocent get their goods back sooner.
None the less, good catch, and everyone I'm sure is refreshed by this new open communication by the GMs.
There is a profile in EON 11 about me and I talk about the RMT issue, all of this anti-RMT action seems to be happening after I was interviewed for EON.
I almost wonder if I had anything to do with it....
The fact that there are so many whiners about this means that CCP is actually taking charge of the issue and I hope it continues.
MongWen for dictator! Macro intel(and Voogru) gets a presence on the council, bringing what we know of farmers to CCP and guideing the ban hammer to those macros which need squished. -------------
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:11:00 -
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I think this is the first time in history that someone in CCP aside from Prism X won a thread.
Actually all of CCP just scored big time.
Some ISK buyers just got PWNED, beyatch.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:59:00 -
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Free bree for the GM's. This is what pwnage should look like!
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Acedias
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:51:00 -
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Nice one! Keep up the good work ccp, I agree fully with this method of humiliating the bastards.
You just made me laugh properly outloud at work.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aramova
I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Before you get too enthusiatic I suggest you go to a highsec ice belt or in Jovainnon. The odd publicized move agaisnt farmers isn't making a dent in the problem. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP! |
Pariah Ptah
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:28:00 -
[194]
About time we see something like this.
And the old saying if something is too good to be true, maybe it is. :)
Pariah Ptah.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:46:00 -
[195]
GMs own again! EXECLENT WORK! Another reason why I love to play EvE Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:49:00 -
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Although I applaud GM Guards initiative (and maintain this should be our standard of dealing with public accusations of virtual theft from our players) I think it is only fair we recognize GM Novas contribution from 2007. If only to remind us that crying wolf is generally not a good idea.
As always I'm open for the possibility of human error but that will get resolved through the due processes already in place. Taking these things to the forums almost invariably creates a flaming threadnought and that doesn't help anyone. Except people with an unhealthy interest on the subject, like me. No point in helping me really.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 29/04/2008 09:55:03 Edited by: Shintai on 29/04/2008 09:54:24
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk?
How long does it take these farmers to make this?!
Doing some rough math from just watching and petitioning macroers in icebelts (Aydoteaux 1-1 (Funny 8-1 seems all human almost. Only 5-6 people there), Tolle, Carrignottin). I would say the usual setup of 5 miners and 1 transporters macromining ice 23/7 yields about 5000pcs of Ice a day. Or 150000 a month. Considering ice is 140K isk unprocessed thats 21billion ISK there. So 210billion can be made in a month by 50 accounts. In those 3 of the 4 icebelts abnove there is about 100-150 macroers.
Thats with macks tho, using retrievers it drops alot but still quite the income. To compare human ice miners make maybe 4-500million per account instead of 3billion per month. Even tho they are higher skilled and better equipped. But hard to beat a 23/7 bot Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:00:00 -
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I've been trying to find an screen grab from Robocop - the scene where poor little Murphy gets blasted to bits, and Joe Cox taunts him by with "does it hurt?" in a baby voice.
Instead, I suppose I just have to reference it this way to illustrate the amount of humiliating pwnage that has taken place in this thread... |
Krollin
Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:09:00 -
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Greetings,
Sadly I would suggest that the 210Billion was accumilated alot quicker than has been suggested, not only do they aquire ISK from macro mining in belts but do not forget the mission farmers too.
Of course we are doing are bit to dent thier income flow
Kro
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Tomiko Yoshida
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:23:00 -
[200]
I'd just like applaud the GMs on their willingness to be open on the forums about such matters - it definitely helps us players relate to you guys more when you discuss stuff with us.
Was just wondering how far CCP goes to stop macro miners and isk farmers and the like though... Cause i mean on eBay yesterday, i saw no less than 5 different auctions for a CD containing "the ultimate Eve online mining macro". Do these sorts of things get pulled quickly by you guys, or is it a slow process of tracking IPs and accounts and whatnot?
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:25:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Krollin Greetings,
Sadly I would suggest that the 210Billion was accumilated alot quicker than has been suggested, not only do they aquire ISK from macro mining in belts but do not forget the mission farmers too.
Of course we are doing are bit to dent thier income flow
Kro
All too true. RMT, like drug trade, can not be that effectively fought on the side of the producer. If there is a demand, someone will try to fill it no matter how hard you come down on the producers. However, by letting the banhammer come down with extreme prejudice on ISK BUYERS, the problem is tackled at the source: the demand for illegitimate shortcuts in a game that is supposed to be cheat proof.
There are still people who decide that they rather waste hard earned money to cheat at a computer game, but actions like this make it increasingly unpopular. Once enough people decide buying dirty ISK is just not worth it and switch en masse over to the GTC trade, paying for the subscription of other players, the ISK sellers and macro miners will leave simply because there is no more money to be made off EVE players. Kill the demand and the supply will wither and die.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
It's good you chimed in. I don't want to sound smug or confrontational but I can say, if I want to buy ISK, you guys aren't going to catch me. That said, there are GTC's if I feel that pressed for game time and the point is, you guys have a real up hill battle stopping this.
My original suggestion to combat this was get together with all the MMO's ad put those legal teams to work (you pay for them anyway) and hunt these sites down that deal in IG currencies. RL money needs RL solutions. No in game implementation is going to stop this. |
R0ot
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:56:00 -
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Post your api and let we the eve community have a look at your wallet records. Simple as. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Danadur
Gallente Naval Protection Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:19:00 -
[204]
So let me summarize the series of events.
1. Both of you recieved ISK from characters linked to ISK selling websites. This ISK was subsequently removed from your wallets.
2. You both petitioned and found out that you had been busted.
3. Thinking that there was no way anyone could prove any different, you decided to add more fuel to the fire and stir up the hate and discontent against the GM's and CCP in the forums instead of following thru with the petition process because you knew you had been caught red handed and would get no satisfaction by continuing.
4. Contrary to your original thought process described in #3 above, Lead GM Guard made the (mostly) unprecedented step of publishing CCP's research and facts which led up to your ISK being removed.
5. Now not only have you been publically called out by the GM's, you have been found lacking by almost the entire Eve population who reads these boards.
Good-bye, good riddance, your busted.
Standing ovation to Lead GM Guard. This needs to be done more often (i.e. every time someone comes here and complains about having ISK removed).
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
omg, I love you GM Guard...
I soo know who is getting a free beer the next fan fest (if you will have an apperace that is).
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Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 22:31:00 -
[206]
tam tam tam... another one bites the dust...
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.30 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci I don't want to sound smug or confrontational but I can say, if I want to buy ISK, you guys aren't going to catch me.
Perhaps they should just ban you now then.
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.30 19:30:00 -
[208]
GM guard has just earned the achievement: Forum Ownage 10
Have a nice day.
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Zantrei Kordisin
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.30 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci I don't want to sound smug or confrontational but I can say, if I want to buy ISK, you guys aren't going to catch me.
So how? Do you know how their logs work and as such can say with certainty that they wouldn't be able to tell?
How do you think you'd manage that? _________________________________________________________
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
Can we please make responses like this policy whenever someone comes to the forums and complains that CCP took money from them for no reason?
Can we also get news reports about how much RMT money has been removed from the game each month? No names are necessary - just a total will go a long way towards demonstrating CCPs commitment to addressing this problem.
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