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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ko Shimin on 25/04/2008 05:55:28 I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff, so most probably the GMs reffer to one of those transactions or.. it can be a mistake from their side. I never bought any isk. I play this game with 4 accounts to cover efficiently all areas of the game and to have a steady flow of isk into my wallet. A casual game session for me is with 2 accounts running level 4 missions/plexing/exploring and the other 2 accounts mining/manufacturing. Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work. Some of you might say "get over it, farm fast and continue playing". That is not the case. Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial.. I know I can recover the ROBBED isk in about 2 days play time, but why should I? The isk I have been ROBBED of is not the only problem. I have lost more than that. Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss. There is also a matter of pride and trust. I cannot stand idle and raise my shoulders saying **** happens and continue playing, that's the pride thing. The trust thing is, if this happened once, why shouldn't it happen again???? So I have cancelled my accounts. I want to congratulate CCP for it's way of insuring it's loss of subscribers. In my case the 300m isk would be the value of a 60 day time code. So, you CCP for a 60 day time code (which by no means was stolen from you as I HAVE NOT BOUGHT ANY ISK).. worth, how much? 25-30$? You have lost the following:
4 accounts worth 60$ each month (my accounts)
an EON Magazine client (my subscriptions) worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)
another 5 accounts worth 75$ each month (my brother in law is cancelling along with me)
another EON Magazine client worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)(my brother in law also buys EON Magazine)
plus more to come as 3 other real life friends that played the game see no more reason to play as me and my brother in law are quitting. They have another 7 accounts total which could be another 105$ a month if they will quit also.
Good job CCP! You just made a VERY BAD deal..
I think that I'll save this year's game subscriptions and EON subscriptions and spend it all at the local w.h.o.r.e.house for some prime time, at least that will be something pleasant to remember..
Too bad that this unique and great game is ruined by your insatiable hunger for $ and your "trigger happy" GMs.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:02:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:06:00 -
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Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:11:00 -
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The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Go f.u.c.k yourself if you don't have anything intelligent to reply to this topic..
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Awox
Minmatar Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Yes, but the GM's are also pretty stupid, and have been wrong countless times before.
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BaT21
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:23:00 -
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We should have a option to set who we want to accept isk from.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: BaT21 We should have a option to set who we want to accept isk from.
How would that change anything?
The op seems rather upset tbh... he really should just give me his stuff and move on. If a trade was "reversed" wouldn't that mean you got back whatever was worth 300mil isk in the first place? Did you escalate the petition? I don't want to see the GM responses, but really... Expecting people to care when the majority of your post/replies (replying to trolls is bad, mkay?) are inflammatory and try to detail how much real money CCP is losing...
With subscription rates up, I very much doubt they're losing out a whole lot. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Yes, but the GM's are also pretty stupid, and have been wrong countless times before.
Yes, but any actually innocent person would escalate the petition to a senior GM who can see reason rather than post on the forums and quit. Innocent people ALWAYS follow the system because they are that sort of law-abiding person... This guy is obviously an ISK-buyer, his outlandish claims of CCP losing five magazine subscriptions and something like twenty accounts over him losing 300m ISK? Yeah right.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:06:00 -
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GMs are humans too (or special bread hamsters), and make errors. Escalate petition if you didnt buy isk.
And you got 4 accounts, earn some new isk. FFS, you quit because some GM 'robbed' you in an online spaceship game? You gonna commit suicide when someone robs you irl of 30 dollar?
Quote: Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss.
Stupidity FTW. Your loss would be: 300 million OR the time spend to gther the isk OR the time spend to gather the isk again. Not 'and'
Anyway, can i haz your stuff?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/04/2008 07:19:08
Originally by: Ko Shimin RMT Stuff
I read a post by CCP Prism X i think who said that this could be easily(?) verified if the user posted his full API key to the public. Then we the players could see for ourselves that he or she did not speak out of their arse.
So, could you post your full API key please to verify your words?
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Amastat
Caldari Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:20:00 -
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This is like the 3rd guy in the past 2 weeks to post a cry thread on general forum about the GM's unlawfully taking away all there ISK.
I'm beggining to wonder if this is a RMT attempt to incite some riot to pressure CCP to lighten up on how they are keeping them from leeching off the game.
If not - I keep seeing and hearing the same crap, I don't know much about the policy though - in terms of weither or not CCP will confiscate the ISK in this situation - weither or not the player is aware or not.
If these are ligit-whines and the truth is not being strenched, I agree that immensly sucks and is completely and utterly unfair for the player who losses all the ISK. They did nothing wrong, and more importantly - they had no way of telling that it was bad ISK they traded for.
As I said - I havn't really read these threads, and I don't know the policy in terms of this - but If its ligit I think CCP should require the GM's to reverse the said transaction. Like - if a RMT buyer buy's a ship off a innocent player - CCP should have the GM's reverse that deal - THEN confiscate the ISK. I see absolutly no reason at all why that should not be done - if it is not done, I'm going to presume that the GM's do not have the payrole to take that extra step for ensure a quality, pleasurable gaming experience. I hope not though, that would be a major headshaker.
I may be way off, as I said I havnt really read these threads much - usually because it all reads: whine whine whine to me. And I havn't really read the policy section on this. But - from what I do know and think - well, I just posted it. ____________________
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat This is like the 3rd guy in the past 2 weeks to post a cry thread on general forum about the GM's unlawfully taking away all there ISK.
I'm beggining to wonder if this is a RMT attempt to incite some riot to pressure CCP to lighten up on how they are keeping them from leeching off the game.
If not - I keep seeing and hearing the same crap, I don't know much about the policy though - in terms of weither or not CCP will confiscate the ISK in this situation - weither or not the player is aware or not.
If these are ligit-whines and the truth is not being strenched, I agree that immensly sucks and is completely and utterly unfair for the player who losses all the ISK. They did nothing wrong, and more importantly - they had no way of telling that it was bad ISK they traded for.
As I said - I havn't really read these threads, and I don't know the policy in terms of this - but If its ligit I think CCP should require the GM's to reverse the said transaction. Like - if a RMT buyer buy's a ship off a innocent player - CCP should have the GM's reverse that deal - THEN confiscate the ISK. I see absolutly no reason at all why that should not be done - if it is not done, I'm going to presume that the GM's do not have the payrole to take that extra step for ensure a quality, pleasurable gaming experience. I hope not though, that would be a major headshaker.
I may be way off, as I said I havnt really read these threads much - usually because it all reads: whine whine whine to me. And I havn't really read the policy section on this. But - from what I do know and think - well, I just posted it.
Well, I dont know about the truthfullness in this OP, but some of the other OP threads have after some scrutiny proved CCP did correct..
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Messerschmitt facility
Amarr Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:36:00 -
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Once upon a time a GM took 1 bil from my wallet. But with clear head and advancing 3 times through the petition levels, I got my bil back after 6 months. Some GM's are idiots. They do the same thing over and over again so you have to believe them they are so bored, they don't even care to actually check or double check. But the GM you are currently dealing with is not the only one. Also you do have to be correct as well. Claiming something is not true might not help you even if you get the attention of a DEV who is willing to go in all the small details with you. _________________________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Shanur on 25/04/2008 07:43:31 Publish your full API key so that we can see for ourself the ISK came from legitimate trades, or STFU.
Since you are no doubt a man of your word you won't use your account anymore anyway so you needn't concern yourself with people looking at your wallet, and this would at least expose the GM's for the frauds you claim they are, provided you aren't actually full of horse manure of course.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:44:00 -
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God... you can make 300mil in 2 days! why am i in low sec space doing missiom runs and trying too rat just too lose ships and make nothing..
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PwnzDeLeOwnz
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shanur
Publish your full API key so that we can see for ourself the ISK came from legitimate trades, or STFU.
Yea! Post your account name and PW too so we can make sure your account is valid as well
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:48:00 -
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Why couldn't you make a more original post... something that starts like "My friend gave me ISK as a gift..."
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
That hardly means anything tbh. -----
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: PwnzDeLeOwnz
Originally by: Shanur
Publish your full API key so that we can see for ourself the ISK came from legitimate trades, or STFU.
Yea! Post your account name and PW too so we can make sure your account is valid as well
API key != login information. Besides, he said himself he was never going to play anymore. Are you going to deprive him of his final chance to prove he was telling the trush and avoid being branded a trolling liar?
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:56:00 -
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Self importance (impotence ), thy name is Ko Shimin
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Evita Achura
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Please go there quickly. You are late for your reservation on the probe-mo-tron 5000.
Also if the gm was at fault petition, then escalate it. They will fix it. If they don't post proof that you are not a RMT whine alt. Otherwise GTFO = ---->
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
That hardly means anything tbh.
Well you are in the corp that would know
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:41:00 -
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CCP are currently engaged in a campaign called "The War on GM Reputation".
The majority of these threads are ending with GM's apologising for screwing up, then getting deleted so nobody knows, particularly, the fanboi rabble still think, wrongly, that every one of these threads is an ISK buyer whining.
It seems to have started about 3 weeks, maybe 4. Something changed and a lot of people of losing out. My CEO, having been punished for ISK buying over a year ago by having the ISK removed at the time, recently had it removed again. Had that occurred two months ago, I would have considered moving onto a new corp.
But considering the outrages I read about thrice weekly on here, I'd rather believe some CEO I don't know, than somebody, anybody, with a GM prefix.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/04/2008 08:53:26 Help channel ingame can be pretty intresting. The record was 3 people whining within 2 hour that their isk was removed, for a total of arround 15 billion. One of them admitted he bought it, one first admitted it, and later denied it, and the last one said he got it from a 'friend'.
Why dont my eve friends send me a few billion
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT God... you can make 300mil in 2 days! why am i in low sec space doing missiom runs and trying too rat just too lose ships and make nothing..
2 characters doing level 4 missions and 2 mining in hulks all in highsec.. yep.. you do 100-200m isk a day depending on how much you play..
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:59:00 -
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*Sends furb 1 billion, then reports him as a buyer
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:59:00 -
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99% of these thread have the op receiving isk from sellers. Sometimes the seller will say "here is 300mil transfered to your wallet, pass me the item" on trust.
Of course, to a Gm, that looks the same as the isk seller giving you straight up isk for RL cash.
Moral - Always use contracts, Trades or market orders. A GM confirmed they are never ever reversed.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Scout McAlt 99% of these thread have the op receiving isk from sellers. Sometimes the seller will say "here is 300mil transfered to your wallet, pass me the item" on trust.
Of course, to a Gm, that looks the same as the isk seller giving you straight up isk for RL cash.
Moral - Always use contracts, Trades or market orders. A GM confirmed they are never ever reversed.
Wrong wrong, wrongitty wrong. Absolutely brimming with wrongability.
Maybe 99% of the threads that CCP don't delete are about genuine ISK buyers.
GM confirmed, actually, they don't reverse ISK transferred through secure ETC, nothing to do with market orders, trades. In reality, we've had threads where they DID. But those threads are now deleted. You gotta wonder why.
The vast majority of these threads are CCP screwing up, and it would be wonderful to know what changed and sent CCP on this mad rampage that is screwing innocent people over.
You can't ransom ISK farmers for fear of CCP's retribution on ISK. In fact, without a secure ETC you can't really transfer any ISK, even for valuable goods, without risking an over zealous GM poking his nose in.
Did CCP suddenly start paying GMs commission on ISK reversals? What? Something changed and the GMs went insane. What was it?
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:21:00 -
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Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
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Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:46:00 -
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oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
-- Ralara / Ralarina
I did a big poo once that wouldn't flush, so I put a carrier bag around my hand and picked it out, and put it in the green bin.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
My rant has a lot of consistency. And my rant about "circumstancial" holds a very valid point: can CCP bring solid proof that a player used his credit card or any other means of real money payment to buy isk from an isk seller? cause if they don't they act on a "hunch", and maybe one day you will be involved in a trade (of any shape) with a character that you don't know is a isk seller and you will find your isk removed just for that..
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
lol
You really lack the IQ to understand, don't ya?
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Ralara oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
lol
You really lack the IQ to understand, don't ya?
IQ??? I doubt he could spell it... ----------------------------
Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Estel Arador Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
My rant has a lot of consistency. And my rant about "circumstancial" holds a very valid point: can CCP bring solid proof that a player used his credit card or any other means of real money payment to buy isk from an isk seller? cause if they don't they act on a "hunch", and maybe one day you will be involved in a trade (of any shape) with a character that you don't know is a isk seller and you will find your isk removed just for that..
Then give us your full api key!
CCP have given us these key so we can share them with people without risk of compromising your account data! And since you only can read data from the API, not add anything - you are fully without any risk!
So please. Your API Key?
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:12:00 -
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I forwarded this thread to my dog and in protest he will quit too !!! Also he will cancel his life time subscription to the CCP doggy biscuits, I know dog years are not like our years, but still that's a lot.
Rule of the thumb, you did nothing wrong you try and fight the system, you have done shady business you come and whine on the forums.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Red Desire I forwarded this thread to my dog and in protest he will quit too !!! Also he will cancel his life time subscription to the CCP doggy biscuits, I know dog years are not like our years, but still that's a lot.
Rule of the thumb, you did nothing wrong you try and fight the system, you have done shady business you come and whine on the forums.
I also forwarded your reply to my pitbull and he offers to bite your dog by the nech and put it out of misery really fast.. You are a very bad dog owner, dragging your dog in this misery..
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too .. dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
Shame. I used to know some dancers who were gamers.
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you. dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 11:38:39
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
Shame. I used to know some dancers (different thing I know) who were gamers.
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
Thx m8 (finnaly someone understood my issues here)!!!
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:45:00 -
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Ha ha! Very funny.
You got 300M ISK into your wallet from someone you don't know. When CCP took 300M out, you went negative. That means you had less than 300M in your wallet, which means when you got the ISK from nowhere, you went and spent it.
How often do you do these 300M ISK transactions with people you don't know, without using the contract system?
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
If you don't want to argue with the refs, all you have to do is NOT CHEAT.
This isn't a hard concept. Obviously the OP bought ISK. He's about to cancel his account yet he is unwilling to post his API key to verify his claims; the key can do nothing except reveal some info about the character, there is no security risk.
He doesn't want everyone to see the ISK transfer from his good "friend" jkljdfs :P
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:07:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
If you don't want to argue with the refs, all you have to do is NOT CHEAT.
This isn't a hard concept. Obviously the OP bought ISK. He's about to cancel his account yet he is unwilling to post his API key to verify his claims; the key can do nothing except reveal some info about the character, there is no security risk.
He doesn't want everyone to see the ISK transfer from his good "friend" jkljdfs :P
If you don't cheat and a GM makes a mistake you're in exactly the same boat as if you had cheated. GM's do make mistakes. The petition escallation process is just as long either way. Some people may find that unenjoyable and hence quit.
Is that a hard concept for you? No. Didn't think so.
Everything else about the OP is frankly moot as we do not know more than the GMs and the API key won't make much difference. So a cheater made a mistake and accidentally sent the OP money. Ever sold something on the market with the decimal point in the wrong place? Mistakes happen.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
From this thread i'd say its pretty clear the OP bought ISK and got smacked. Good job CCP.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:17:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
Raekone
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:18:00 -
[47]
I scimmed through this but have still not found any response to the only relevant question of the lot.
Did you, he asked without expecting an answer, get back what you sold for those 300 mil?
PS. Also, please fix your ridiculous forums ccp =) I've been trying to post this incredibly important message for the past 5 mins
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:21:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/04/2008 12:21:50
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
From this thread i'd say its pretty clear the OP bought ISK and got smacked. Good job CCP.
I have to agree.
Twice I have told him to give us his full API key so we could see that he do not lie. Twice he have ignored it.Some others have also asked for it. And when we know CCP gave us the API key so we could use these without compromising our account data plus that you can only read character data and change the APi as soon we have confirmed he is not lying.
Based on this I can only come to the same conclusion as CCP.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:24:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secured games trough the RMT market.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:29:00 -
[50]
yeah CCP sucks lately with there actions how the hell do you know when someone buy`s isk. and the buy something from you with that isk..
CCP should act quicker and come with decent proof.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:30:00 -
[51]
On the other hand, I have transfered billions of isk between myself, my alts and friends of mine for, to CCP, no apparent reason what so ever. It's never been any trouble at all (and why should it if it's legit) so I get the feeling that when something like this happens it is in fact due to dirty going ons. So maybe the OP has been naughty
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:34:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Scout McAlt on 25/04/2008 12:35:28 GM's already stated in other threads that they do not reverse market orders, contracts and Secure GTCc's. They only reverse donations where it comes from isk sellers.
Tell us, did you receive this 300mil via a "Donation"? Because the person who made you a donation might have been a isk seller!
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:35:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
If i suddenly got 300 mill from the player fakdfasdkh i would understand what it was. If i then lost those 300 mill it would not matter one bit.
Besides that guy needs those 300 mill to pay for his dinner so its unlikely that he will do so.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:37:00 -
[54]
And what am I supposed to do if somebody sends me ALL of their isk, because they were only supposed to send me 100 million, but they put an extra nought or threeon the end, and I keep it?
What am I supposed to do when somebody puts 100 million isk bounty on me?
Am I supposed to go running to the GMs and BEG them to let me keep it? CCPs policy is clearly not robust enough to withstand scrutiny, which is likely why they are suppressing all genuine information about it at the moment.
It's bad enough having to argue with the refs every time yet another one of the myriad of CONCORD bugs "that don't exist"(tm) takes your ship away, but the refs actually deliberately sticking their noses in is just a whole new level of pathetic.
CCPs policy of chasing ISK buyers, instead of terminating the farmers and seller networks is causing unnecessary harrassment of the innocent, and it is long past time they stopped doing it.
I can't see any of CCP's shareholder agreeing though.
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:45:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman And what am I supposed to do if somebody sends me ALL of their isk, because they were only supposed to send me 100 million, but they put an extra nought or threeon the end, and I keep it?
What am I supposed to do when somebody puts 100 million isk bounty on me?
Am I supposed to go running to the GMs and BEG them to let me keep it? CCPs policy is clearly not robust enough to withstand scrutiny, which is likely why they are suppressing all genuine information about it at the moment.
It's bad enough having to argue with the refs every time yet another one of the myriad of CONCORD bugs "that don't exist"(tm) takes your ship away, but the refs actually deliberately sticking their noses in is just a whole new level of pathetic.
CCPs policy of chasing ISK buyers, instead of terminating the farmers and seller networks is causing unnecessary harrassment of the innocent, and it is long past time they stopped doing it.
I can't see any of CCP's shareholder agreeing though.
CCP is a private company therefore has no shareholders. Well, its private "shareholders" can quite simply agree that this is good. Screw over isk sellers and get people buying GTC's insted.
Now if someone gave you all their isk, then keep it. If a Isk sellers was to give you isk, whats your get out clause? if you are given counterfit money from a "friend" and this gets discovered, you lose that money. Fact of life.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Shanur
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secured games trough the RMT market.
Quick re-cap then;
Some ISK seller wires the OP money. Yeah, so the money was tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits.
He should never have had the money in the first place but has decided he doesn't like the unilateral way GMs can act over his gaming experience.
or
Someone, somehow involved in ISK selling, buys a plex item from the OP. They get fingered as being an ISK seller. GMs investigate. Yeah, so the money is now counted as tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) but the plex item wasn't returned in it's place. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP has been on the receiving end of GM mistake.
API key might help a little in sorting this out but not if he traded the item with someone and received ISK from someone else.
or
OP buys ISK. Yeah, so the money was tainted. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP is an idiot.
Resolving this without full access to the server logs, the OPS bank account/CC details, and a lie detector isn't going to happen here.
Someone is unhappy with the game and is quitting. Oh well, happens all the time.
Anyway my CentOS Xen Server Guest has finally built itself so I have better things to be doing like setting up TRAC and Subversion. |
Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:58:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 25/04/2008 13:02:48 Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 25/04/2008 13:01:52
Originally by: Scout McAlt Now if someone gave you all their isk, then keep it. If a Isk sellers was to give you isk, whats your get out clause? if you are given counterfit money from a "friend" and this gets discovered, you lose that money. Fact of life.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHH. That was the sound of the pointing going over your head. When I receive ISK from somebody I DO NOT KNOW, and it happens A LOT, I am exposing myself to CCPs barbaric practices. Since the instances of barbarism have gone through the roof in the last month, I'm frankly surprised CCP havn't stiffed me yet.
And I know full well I haven't even bought so much as GTC4ISK, let alone Rice Farmer Gift Package.
The very finest thing I could hope to find now, is a thread by one of these fanboi CCP apologists, complaining he is quitting Eve because it was his turn in CCPs barrel.
I literally would throw up into my keyboard laughing.
I don't know how many of these Part Time Fuhrers you've dealt with, but none, zero, not one of them will EVER justify his actions or decisions. You will NOT get to see any of the "evidence" they used to convict. YOU will NOT have any evidence submitted by you considered as valid in any way. You WILL be called a liar, and you WILL be threatened with further sanctions if you do not IMMEDIATELY shut up and take what you have currently been granted.
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:06:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Shanur
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secured games trough the RMT market.
Quick re-cap then;
Some ISK seller wires the OP money. Yeah, so the money was tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits.
He should never have had the money in the first place but has decided he doesn't like the unilateral way GMs can act over his gaming experience.
or
Someone, somehow involved in ISK selling, buys a plex item from the OP. They get fingered as being an ISK seller. GMs investigate. Yeah, so the money is now counted as tainted. The OP didn't notice the money's arrival as he trades plex items a lot. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) but the plex item wasn't returned in it's place. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP has been on the receiving end of GM mistake.
API key might help a little in sorting this out but not if he traded the item with someone and received ISK from someone else.
or
OP buys ISK. Yeah, so the money was tainted. He spent the money in the course of 'business as usual'. It was taken back (reversed) quite correctly be the GM. He gets into a petition and decides he doesn't like the process and quits. = OP is an idiot.
Resolving this without full access to the server logs, the OPS bank account/CC details, and a lie detector isn't going to happen here.
Someone is unhappy with the game and is quitting. Oh well, happens all the time.
Anyway my CentOS Xen Server Guest has finally built itself so I have better things to be doing like setting up TRAC and Subversion.
What I think has happened, and this happened in NPC corp chat, was a guy bought isk and could not understand why the isk got taken off him, he was giving abuse off isk farmers etc saying he never bought isk.
Eventually he admitted his girlfrind bought isk from a website for his birthday present.
Anyhow the OP can clarify a lot of things - Has he received any donation from a dodgey source for 300mil? y/n
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:10:00 -
[59]
Either the new GM tools are very good and they weed out the crap, OR they're not very good and mow down innocent players in the process.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:15:00 -
[60]
Since you are all eager to see my api API key, I'll give it to you:
cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
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TomParad0x
Caldari Soul Ripper Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:25:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Ko Shimin Since you are all eager to see my api API key, I'll give it to you:
cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
Nice try, but the user ID is needed as well or its useless.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:29:00 -
[62]
Nice try my ass, I have never used the API key till now..
ID: 1068960 API: cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:29:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 25/04/2008 13:30:48
Originally by: Ko Shimin Since you are all eager to see my api API key, I'll give it to you:
cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
Don't give them anything, who the hell cares what these muppets think? They're not going to look at anything with a critical eye, they are all GM fanboiz who think the sun literally shines out of a GM's brown oneye.
Seems like GMs got a new policy to stay the hell out of these threads too. Normally they can't resist trying to stick one up you, but when they do, they typically end up apologising for robbing the ISK then deleting the thread soon after.
Doesn't seem to be stopping them robbing it in the first place though.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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TomParad0x
Caldari Soul Ripper Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:30:00 -
[64]
Edited by: TomParad0x on 25/04/2008 13:32:08
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nice try my ass, I have never used the API key till now..
ID: 1068960 API: cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
Yea, it's not just you. Lots of people apparently don't know you need the ID :| (I get asked to help fix mates skills all the time by telling them what they need to do via evemon, and they almost never give me the user ID).
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:35:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nice try my ass, I have never used the API key till now..
ID: 1068960 API: cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
I predict they all come back here and shout louder at you without showing any understanding of what they just looked at.
I'd request a new key asap. It invalidates this one, and decreases the amount of bull**** you'll have to tolerate.
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TomParad0x
Caldari Soul Ripper Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:37:00 -
[66]
Edited by: TomParad0x on 25/04/2008 13:37:13
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nice try my ass, I have never used the API key till now..
ID: 1068960 API: cqQYm6BCSlAEYDggqElTfqyUzEDDKfDvPdov8EmV7bygArQs7XujubReRUvbGInO
I predict they all come back here and shout louder at you without showing any understanding of what they just looked at.
I'd request a new key asap. It invalidates this one, and decreases the amount of bull**** you'll have to tolerate.
Yea, prob be best tbh - I don't see anything via EVEmon that could prove or disprove anything in the post, and you really don't have a reason to prove anything to the players.
Edit: Only thing it proves is you got isk taken away.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:41:00 -
[67]
Originally by: TomParad0x Yea, prob be best tbh - I don't see anything via EVEmon that could prove or disprove anything in the post, and you really don't have a reason to prove anything to the players.
Edit: Only thing it proves is you got isk taken away.
What? No "Generous gift!"s from people like ghdfklghjdl?
Well he did put up. Time to let this topic die as only a Senior GM could still determine if and how dirty ISK got involved if no donations show on his wallet.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:44:00 -
[68]
I'll listen to you guys, and change the API key..
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:47:00 -
[69]
Ko, I feel your pain and have taken the liberty of vocalizing your complaints into lyrics and a song. Take a listen and understand that others feel your pain!
Empathizing with your complaint!
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Curzon Dax Ko, I feel your pain and have taken the liberty of vocalizing your complaints into lyrics and a song. Take a listen and understand that others feel your pain!
Empathizing with your complaint!
I'm sure that, at least your fanbase is glad you are back on the forums. I can't be the only person that was enjoying your absence.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:51:00 -
[71]
So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:00:00 -
[72]
Ko Shimin, no need to change your API key. You're quitting Eve, so there's no harm done.
And really, This is for you!
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Faye Valerii
Caldari Exeunt Omnes
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:02:00 -
[73]
Eh, it's pretty obvious. By punishing ISK buyers, CCP is 'encouraging' those buyers to use the legitimate ETC way of getting ISK. The buyer goes legit, and CCP makes ETC monies.
Nothing wrong with that, is there ?
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:04:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Curzon Dax Ko Shimin, no need to change your API key. You're quitting Eve, so there's no harm done.
And really, This is for you!
I think he got it the first time. Move along, before you upset yourself and she spends the next two nights at the refuge again you freakin wookie.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:11:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03 It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Step 1: Oh, hey, some stranger called "jdfhdsf" sent me 300M ISk. WTF? haha what a moop, well he's not getting it back. Welcome to EvE.
Step 2: Oh, hey, what if he's an ISK farmer? Welp, I'd better petition it:
"Dear GMs,
This guy called jdfhdsf sent me 300M ISK, and I have no idea why. Can you confirm that this ISK is legitimate and mine to spend, and not sent to me as a result of some ISK selling operation?
many thanks for your time and help,
Mal"
Step 3:
"Dear malcanis,
In fact jdfhdsf and his freinds are known ISK-sellers. We have removed the 300M ISK from you account, so you're back where you where. Thank you for helping us combat RMT ISK selling
The GMs"
Step 4: Oh well, I'm nothing down except for spending 2 minutes creating a petition. Carry on as before. |
Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:13:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Curzon Dax Ko Shimin, no need to change your API key. You're quitting Eve, so there's no harm done.
And really, This is for you!
I think he got it the first time. Move along, before you upset yourself and she spends the next two nights at the refuge again you freakin wookie.
Ah...I'm sorry. Didn't realize that the forums revolved around you. But here's some free advice. If you don't like what you read on them, stop participating. There will always be dissenting opinions to yours, and retaliating against an individual in a childish fashion because you don't like them is something I expect adults to leave behind on the grade-school playground.
If you're not capable of that, you really don't belong here. Move along. |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:16:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer.
I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error. |
Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:17:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Curzon Dax Ko Shimin, no need to change your API key. You're quitting Eve, so there's no harm done.
And really, This is for you!
I think he got it the first time. Move along, before you upset yourself and she spends the next two nights at the refuge again you freakin wookie.
Ah...I'm sorry. Didn't realize that the forums revolved around you. But here's some free advice. If you don't like what you read on them, stop participating. There will always be dissenting opinions to yours, and retaliating against an individual in a childish fashion because you don't like them is something I expect adults to leave behind on the grade-school playground.
If you're not capable of that, you really don't belong here. Move along.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer.
I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error.
Wow...so he provided it, then changed his mind almost immediately afterwards. How convenient.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:21:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer.
I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error.
Wow...so he provided it, then changed his mind almost immediately afterwards. How convenient.
Read the first 2-3 posts of the people that read it before I changed it, convenient,huh??? Or.. you would call them liars??? |
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:22:00 -
[81]
well not all random isk givings are isk buying, i myself have given a fair amount of isk to friends in rl to help them out. Just kinda annoys me how everyone says isk seller always, i mean sure this guy seems like it but there are many that would be accused if they stated it happening to them on the forums.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:25:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer.
I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error.
Wow...so he provided it, then changed his mind almost immediately afterwards. How convenient.
Read the first 2-3 posts of the people that read it before I changed it, convenient,huh??? Or.. you would call them liars???
As far as I know, no one said anything about your market transactions, and EVE-Mon doesn't deal with any market-related data (as far as I know, I don't use it on my work computer). If someone posts said data and there's nothing suspicious, I will gladly remove my foot from my mouth and apologize. |
Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:26:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer.
I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error.
Wow...so he provided it, then changed his mind almost immediately afterwards. How convenient.
You're not having my API key either, also convenient? hmmm? I bet I'm an ISK buyer too. Can I have your full API key? no? hmmm... how convenient. |
Ko Shimin
Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:31:00 -
[84]
What does a full API key do actually, that so many are reluctant to share it? |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:34:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
You're not having my API key either, also convenient? hmmm? I bet I'm an ISK buyer too. Can I have your full API key? no? hmmm... how convenient.
No you are just a whining troll, and tarminic is not claiming to be any sort of "innocent victim" of the evil ccp.
The OP is just an example of the "innocent victim" so common on mmorpg forums. Next he will claim it was his brother that did it all or something like that.
I can post here claiming that ccp killed my dog and stole my TV, but that dont make it any more true. |
Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:37:00 -
[86]
Originally by: GM Nova
Every single claim made on these forums, about ISK being removed just because someone, or someone's friend or cousin sold an item to an ISK buyer has turned out to be blatantly false.
Don't forget, your claim is blatantly false, just because a GM has prejudged it as being so. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:41:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Ko Shimin What does a full API key do actually, that so many are reluctant to share it?
I haven't played around with it much, but I believe it reveals: -Characters on that account -Wallet Journal (any money that goes in and out of your wallet in a certain # of days) -Transaction Journal (any market transactions made within a certain # of days)
I don't think you really need to give out your API key. You can download your wallet journal and transaction journal from the My Character section, and then upload those to eve-files. That way you only reveal your market data instead of that plus skills trained, characters, etc. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:43:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman You're not having my API key either, also convenient? hmmm? I bet I'm an ISK buyer too. Can I have your full API key? no? hmmm... how convenient.
If you really want to see my transaction journal I'd be happy to upload it for you. I have nothing to hide except for embarassing ship losses. |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:45:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Tarminic
I don't think you really need to give out your API key. You can download your wallet journal and transaction journal from the My Character section, and then upload those to eve-files. That way you only reveal your market data instead of that plus skills trained, characters, etc.
I'm pretty sure that would be very easy to edit. And as such a rather pointless. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:52:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Tarminic on 25/04/2008 14:51:53
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Tarminic
I don't think you really need to give out your API key. You can download your wallet journal and transaction journal from the My Character section, and then upload those to eve-files. That way you only reveal your market data instead of that plus skills trained, characters, etc.
I'm pretty sure that would be very easy to edit. And as such a rather pointless.
If they went through enough effort they could edit it, but removing a player donation or suspicious transaction from the market logs means that you have to alter the balance past that point to reflect the lack of said transaction. That would be tough to do if he ever went below 300 million ISK on his part because he'd have to remove other transactions to make him look like he never received an extra 300 million ISK. And doing that could leave a suspicious gap in transactions, in addition to changing the modification date on the file itself.
The only way to be COMPLETELY sure is through the API, but I'd be willing to believe him if he posted the market transactions (and journal). |
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.25 14:57:00 -
[91]
Lmao.
I bet all these people complaining that their legit ISK was stolen are the same ones who complained that CCP never did anything about RMT. |
Snaps
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Posted - 2008.04.25 15:00:00 -
[92]
look, i lost my guy do to a lie, it can happen. i did get him back but they can jump the gun somwhat. dont make us nerves dev's/gm's so i hope you guys are getting this right for the most part. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 15:11:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Ko Shimin I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. ... Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work.
Please publish your API key so we can see if you are telling the truth.
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.25 15:13:00 -
[94]
in other threads: omg ccp do something about isk sellers! ccp fails!
in this thread: omg ccp dont do anything about isk buyers! ccp fails!
it's an endless beautiful cycle.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 16:06:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Faife in other threads: omg ccp do something about isk sellers! ccp fails!
in this thread: omg ccp dont do anything about isk buyers! ccp fails!
it's an endless beautiful cycle.
In the deleted threads you can no longer look at:-
Yeah, we kinda screwed up, sorry, we don't normally remove ISK transferred during secure ETC sales. Lock. Delete Yeah, we kinda screwed up, sorry, we don't normally remove ISK transferred by you selling a mothership to somebody. Lock. Delete.
But you wouldn't know that, because of the Lock, Delete, bit. They don't want people knowing that they screw up.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.25 16:19:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman In the deleted threads you can no longer look at:-
Yeah, we kinda screwed up, sorry, we don't normally remove ISK transferred during secure ETC sales. Lock. Delete Yeah, we kinda screwed up, sorry, we don't normally remove ISK transferred by you selling a mothership to somebody. Lock. Delete.
But you wouldn't know that, because of the Lock, Delete, bit. They don't want people knowing that they screw up.
i totally believe you. really.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.25 18:43:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 25/04/2008 16:20:30 Edited by: Poreuomai on 25/04/2008 16:05:04
Originally by: Ko Shimin I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. ... Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work.
Please publish your API key so we can see if you are telling the truth.
EDIT #1
Oh, I see you have, well done.
EDIT #2
Wait, you changed the key already? LOL
Yeah, I think he's full of it.
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Datei Naru
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Posted - 2008.04.25 19:56:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Datei Naru on 25/04/2008 20:01:36 Edited by: Datei Naru on 25/04/2008 19:59:27
ok lets take it like and and if i read his story correctly this is what happend.
this guy is a ... or should I say, was ß very active Player because of this he made a lot of isk.
Somehow an isk seller got hold of his account and transfered isk from him to one of his accounts.
Then a GM go's to investigate, notices he makes tonns of ISK, notices a transfer to an isk selling character, and he thinks he puts 2 + 2 together.
This is generally called a misunderstanding in my book. that is, if the OP is speaking the truth. If so, though the sequential rant was unnessisairily thorough, I do think this is a matter that could be solved better.
Its as simple as this, your account was randomly raided by someone who managed to find your password (keylogger probably).
If CCP is becoming more vigilant against isk sellers they need to watch even harder who they step on. Though I don't know how the person that raided your characters wallet could have placed a keylogger on your pc... there are a few ways (links on the forums, 3de party programs... or ofcourse ISK seller sites...)
I in real life know an ex-player who was a big alliance leader, and he had a lot of isk stored up. He won't give it to me ... but if he did the GM's would probably see it as an isk selling practice due to the large amount of ISK that he could transfer to me.
(And yes i'm posting this with an alt... you think i'm posting that information on my main, uh uh i'm not looking forward to spam eve-mails).
what i'm trying to point out is, is that not everyone who gets large amounts of isk has to be an isk seller, and in general those people would be tasty targets for keylogger attacks. If those people would be hit it would make them instantly suspecious.
Yes people with large ISK inflow that send isk to random character for no apparent reason could indeed by isk sellers.
BUT NOT EVERYONE THAT DOES THAT HAS TO BE AN ISK SELLER.
I therefor stand by the OP and would like to say to CCP that they have to watch who they step on. Only difference is, i'm not and would never quiting eve over it.
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Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:16:00 -
[99]
It seems pretty obvious to me shat went down...
You sold some stuff to an isk seller.... and he got busted for selling isk. They went thru his outgoing money logs and removed/reversed all transactions paying no attention the the one (or two) that were actually legitimate.
Your corp/alliance should help you recover. You should not quit over this.
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Datei Naru
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:23:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Lord Dynastron It seems pretty obvious to me shat went down...
You sold some stuff to an isk seller.... and he got busted for selling isk. They went thru his outgoing money logs and removed/reversed all transactions paying no attention the the one (or two) that were actually legitimate.
Your corp/alliance should help you recover. You should not quit over this.
thats... actually even more likely... I didn't think of that.
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:30:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Datei Naru thats... actually even more likely... I didn't think of that.
or, you know, he could have just bought a crapload of isk and is lying to us.
occam's razor and all. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:32:00 -
[102]
So, more importantly. This guy often sells faction items where he just uses donations? Not Even putting the money directly in the trade, and clearly not using contracts.
That is the single fishiest thing in the thread because it doesn't even make sense. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:33:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Lord Dynastron It seems pretty obvious to me shat went down...
You sold some stuff to an isk seller.... and he got busted for selling isk. They went thru his outgoing money logs and removed/reversed all transactions paying no attention the the one (or two) that were actually legitimate.
Your corp/alliance should help you recover. You should not quit over this.
GM's don't usually reverse transactions as far as I'm aware, they reverse ISK donations. The only case I can think of is where someone gave someone else a massive amount of ISK through a trade window or sold him a rocket for 300 million ISK. |
Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:41:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Datei Naru thats... actually even more likely... I didn't think of that.
or, you know, he could have just bought a crapload of isk and is lying to us.
occam's razor and all.
Well,, yea,,, then there is this possibility
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:44:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Lord Dynastron
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Datei Naru thats... actually even more likely... I didn't think of that.
or, you know, he could have just bought a crapload of isk and is lying to us.
occam's razor and all.
Well,, yea,,, then there is this possibility
But what about the possibility that he ones stole from one of the GMs, and the GM has then created a fake ISK seller character, spawned up some money (from a Dev), sent it to that guy, and then reversed the transaction after noticing that he had spent enough to put him in the negative.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 20:50:00 -
[106]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt But what about the possibility that he ones stole from one of the GMs, and the GM has then created a fake ISK seller character, spawned up some money (from a Dev), sent it to that guy, and then reversed the transaction after noticing that he had spent enough to put him in the negative.
Then an escalated petition would solve that very quickly. If the OP is innocent he would escalate the petition, obviously. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Carver Moriarty
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Posted - 2008.04.25 21:53:00 -
[107]
IÆm going to give the OP some slack since I have not seen any proof as to whether he is telling the truth or lying.
But he did make a mistake, and im a newbie so I could be blowing smoke out my arse, but he did not use a secure method of trading. As far as iv seen there are several ways to trade where you most definitely will not show up on a GMs chopping block, and to clarify, I do agree that a GM could have made a mistake, they are human not AI supercomputers. But if the OP had used a secure trade method he never would have been caught in a GMs mistake providing he is telling the truth.
If you are telling the truth OP, then donÆt quit, stick it out, escalate the petition, and start trading with the secure methods.
If you are lying then shame on you, you are perpetuating a disease that infects all MMOG's and deserve that which has been served.
As a note for everybody, CCP is a game company, they OWN this game, when it comes to decisions, they are Judge, Jury, and executioner.
IMO I applaud them for their effort in eradicating this disease, other game companies go after the sellers themselves and only the sellers, but because people keep buying the in game currency with real money more sellers are hired/created to keep up with the demand, it ends up being an unending process, but if you stop the buyers from buying, the sellers no longer have customers money to support their currency selling. Unfortunately this method does have its flaws, sometimes some wheat is thrown out with the chaff.
Im betting that these mistakes are severely punished. As the OP is demonstrating, mistakes like that can cost CCP customers, and customers are money. So itÆs possible a GMs job is on the line if he makes too many "mistakes".
To end my verbose voicing I will ask a question. If some guy stopped you on the street and told you he would give you a million dollars, and shows you the cash, for your fifteen dollar watch, would you take it from him and spend it? |
Gridwalker
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.25 21:55:00 -
[108]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt But what about the possibility that he ones stole from one of the GMs, and the GM has then created a fake ISK seller character, spawned up some money (from a Dev), sent it to that guy, and then reversed the transaction after noticing that he had spent enough to put him in the negative.
There simply isn't enough tin-foil in the world... ;-)
-Grid
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.04.25 22:02:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 25/04/2008 16:38:04
Originally by: Fifth Horseman In the deleted threads you can no longer look at:-
Yeah, we kinda screwed up, sorry, we don't normally remove ISK transferred during secure ETC sales. Lock. Delete Yeah, we kinda screwed up, sorry, we don't normally remove ISK transferred by you selling a mothership to somebody. Lock. Delete.
But you wouldn't know that, because of the Lock, Delete, bit. They don't want people knowing that they screw up.
i totally believe you. really.
eve-search.com is your friend, almost every deleted and locked post from this forum exist there for all to see, and they even use the original threadID. This is why the GM's should be very careful when they use wide-sweeping terms like always , forever, and every single time, the players have a way to call BS...
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PhantomMajor
Minmatar De-Medusa Industries.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 22:41:00 -
[110]
well if i were you, i'd look through my wallet and locate the name of the GM who removed your ISK, then go over to the crime and punishment forum and place a bounty on the GM for 150 million isk.
if everyone starts doing this, then pretty soon being a GM wont be such a rewarding career in EvE.
oh and if your name happens to be Mhonaverge or Leader Tim, i'd start looking over your shoulder when you undock from now on
Ladies and gentlemen, we will shortly be experiencing some exploding followed by some crashing...so i'd hold on if i were you! |
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.25 22:48:00 -
[111]
Originally by: PhantomMajor well if i were you, i'd look through my wallet and locate the name of the GM who removed your ISK, then go over to the crime and punishment forum and place a bounty on the GM for 150 million isk.
if everyone starts doing this, then pretty soon being a GM wont be such a rewarding career in EvE.
oh and if your name happens to be Mhonaverge or Leader Tim, i'd start looking over your shoulder when you undock from now on
Good plan. I approve of this, because tipping GMs for removing RMT ISK is a great idea. |
fuze
Gallente InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.04.25 23:04:00 -
[112]
Chances are great he's caught red handed. But those ISK sellers are tricksy hobbitses so for what's worth they are creating fake paper trails to obscure their evil deeds. That or finding out how CCP are tracking them. Its a constant cat and mouse game. I wouldn't be surprised when competing ISK sellers are 'PvP'ing with with eachother. I also can imagine that some tired sweatshop worker made a typo and sent the money to another toon. Or even another toon on purpose bought ISK and ask it for to be sent to his enemy. There plenty of ebil people who will use dirty tricks like these. |
Cissnei
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Posted - 2008.04.25 23:30:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Evita Achura
Originally by: Ko Shimin Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Please go there quickly. You are late for your reservation on the probe-mo-tron 5000.
Also if the gm was at fault petition, then escalate it. They will fix it. If they don't post proof that you are not a RMT whine alt. Otherwise GTFO = ---->
this really isnt the core of the issue
the real core of the issue is - what's to stop it from happening again?
the answer to that right now is - nothing.
and that is the big problem
lower level gm's for this game need some retraining on what a 'reversal' actually is. if the op sold an item for 300m, and the fool that bought it used isk from rmt, the op should not be punished. the buyer should be punished
lets look at gtc sales. you sell some gtc's securely using eve's tool to a character in game. turns out this is an rmt'er who just bought from you. what does ccp do? do they nuke you, in essence taking $15 real life dollars (+international fees taht american banks tack on) from the seller while the buying rmt basically gets off nearly scot free (losing more cash and continuing to play an account that now has 30 days for basically free as they macro mined, or losing the account outright and just making yet another), or do they only nuke the buyer?
we need a clear, set-in-stone policy on what is going on. this is getting out of hand. IF i sell an item to somenoe who used rmt bought cash i should not be punished as there are NO CLEAR tools in game to protect any seller from this.
you folks are touting a war that is giong to increase the need for more modules and ships. this will in turn increase the need for more isk. this will actually increase the number of rmt transactions as there are plenty of dimwits who will not take advantage of the gtc avenue. this in turn will mean a larger amount of rmt acquired isk in the game.
you need to set in stone the policy now, and the policy can be NOTHING short of the following:
situation: seller sells an item either in trade or on the market. buyer used rmt isk. solution: remove double isk from buyer or ban buyer.
if you want to remove the isk from teh seller, you need to reimburse the item. period. or leave the damned isk alone
your policies are bordering on pure hypocrisy. i personally have not had to endure any of this as yet - but you can bet i will be trolilng the hell out of these forums if i'm screwed over like the op. if I need money and if i dont feel like 4 boxing for a bit (yes, another 4..actually SIX account holder here) to make it i take advantage of the gtc system. there is no need to use rmt services even if they are substantially more isk for less money. but if i should get dinged cause some dimwit who bought one from me used isk he got from an rmt'er (r-tard logic there), you can bet it will actually be an issue i will take up with my credit card company since using such a service here has a rather large paper trail. |
Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.04.25 23:39:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 25/04/2008 23:42:50
Originally by: Ko Shimin (snipped for bandwidh preservation)
here's what I would do if this happened to me:
1. cancel subs and put money in jar instead 2. jar eventually reaches X $ 3. buy planeticket to Hawaii 4. Prey to Pele (goddess of fire/volcanoes), asking her to devour Iceland and sink the remains beneath the atlantic waves.
If Iceland remains where it is, I will have gotten a trip to Hawaii out of the deal.
My point is: dont get mad, get even. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.25 23:44:00 -
[115]
Originally by: PhantomMajor well if i were you, i'd look through my wallet and locate the name of the GM who removed your ISK, then go over to the crime and punishment forum and place a bounty on the GM for 150 million isk.
if everyone starts doing this, then pretty soon being a GM wont be such a rewarding career in EvE.
oh and if your name happens to be Mhonaverge or Leader Tim, i'd start looking over your shoulder when you undock from now on
Aside from the fact that 150mil isn't the large sum of money these days you think it is, what exactly would that do? I mean, it might be funny seeing people try and attack a Polaris. |
Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.26 01:57:00 -
[116]
Shut up and cancel, we don't care how many accounts you have.
That is all.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.26 13:40:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Doc Fury eve-search.com is your friend, almost every deleted and locked post from this forum exist there for all to see, and they even use the original threadID. This is why the GM's should be very careful when they use wide-sweeping terms like always , forever, and every single time, the players have a way to call BS...
Then it should not be too hard for you to provide a dozen links where that happened which have been deleted on the main forum.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.04.26 17:38:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Doc Fury eve-search.com is your friend, almost every deleted and locked post from this forum exist there for all to see, and they even use the original threadID. This is why the GM's should be very careful when they use wide-sweeping terms like always , forever, and every single time, the players have a way to call BS...
Then it should not be too hard for you to provide a dozen links where that happened which have been deleted on the main forum.
You can do this yourself on a very recent one, by using the search terms "General Meathead" there. When pressed about the deletion in another thread, a DEV chose to place some spin on the topic here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=754835&page=2#44
Given how much of a hair-trigger the GMs and DEVs seem to have lately regarding things that are potentially embarrassing for CCP, you might understand why I might refrain from linking directly to external materials to preserve my forum posting privileges.
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Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.26 18:59:00 -
[119]
well you can easily make anyone's wallet negative isk's with a bit of sideways thinking.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:01:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Doc Fury You can do this yourself on a very recent one, by using the search terms "General Meathead" there. When pressed about the deletion in another thread, a DEV chose to place some spin on the topic here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=754835&page=2#44
I cannot find the deleted thread in eve search, maybe you can link to it?
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Aki Corrino
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Aki Corrino on 27/04/2008 11:33:29 Edited by: Aki Corrino on 27/04/2008 11:25:12 edit -removed- the thread doc fury mentioned isnt very clear, it never got answered if the person in question was guilty or not. I do think deleting threads about it doesnt do much good tho, it only seeds more tinfoil hattery like this.
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin Edited by: Ko Shimin on 25/04/2008 05:55:28 I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff, so most probably the GMs reffer to one of those transactions or.. it can be a mistake from their side. I never bought any isk. I play this game with 4 accounts to cover efficiently all areas of the game and to have a steady flow of isk into my wallet. A casual game session for me is with 2 accounts running level 4 missions/plexing/exploring and the other 2 accounts mining/manufacturing. Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work. Some of you might say "get over it, farm fast and continue playing". That is not the case. Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial.. I know I can recover the ROBBED isk in about 2 days play time, but why should I? The isk I have been ROBBED of is not the only problem. I have lost more than that. Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss. There is also a matter of pride and trust. I cannot stand idle and raise my shoulders saying **** happens and continue playing, that's the pride thing. The trust thing is, if this happened once, why shouldn't it happen again???? So I have cancelled my accounts. I want to congratulate CCP for it's way of insuring it's loss of subscribers. In my case the 300m isk would be the value of a 60 day time code. So, you CCP for a 60 day time code (which by no means was stolen from you as I HAVE NOT BOUGHT ANY ISK).. worth, how much? 25-30$? You have lost the following:
4 accounts worth 60$ each month (my accounts)
an EON Magazine client (my subscriptions) worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)
another 5 accounts worth 75$ each month (my brother in law is cancelling along with me)
another EON Magazine client worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)(my brother in law also buys EON Magazine)
plus more to come as 3 other real life friends that played the game see no more reason to play as me and my brother in law are quitting. They have another 7 accounts total which could be another 105$ a month if they will quit also.
Good job CCP! You just made a VERY BAD deal..
I think that I'll save this year's game subscriptions and EON subscriptions and spend it all at the local w.h.o.r.e.house for some prime time, at least that will be something pleasant to remember..
Too bad that this unique and great game is ruined by your insatiable hunger for $ and your "trigger happy" GMs.
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Yes, but the GM's are also pretty stupid, and have been wrong countless times before.
Was going to delete from the original post the parts that weren't applicable to me, but the entire thing is.
I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK.
I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK.
I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post.
I like how you post with some noob alt. It's good to see you back up your claims.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:38:00 -
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Why is it people here that lose ISK due to GMs either posts with completely unknown alts or completely lack any "red thread" in their statements, always have 4-5 accounts and someone else that does aswell.
Its just as likely to believe the earth is the center of the universe, the stars are painted in the top and your sailboat will fall over the edge if you sail too far out.
Escalate it to a senior GM if you think its wrong. If they both say you are wrong, then they have evidence and proof on their side. And you dont. You acted wrongfully. Take it like a man instead of these endless lies. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:41:00 -
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I think it's some kind of troll wagon. It's too common and too consistently stupid to actually be real people with legitimate cases.
I just wonder why. Are they isk buyers who got caught and thing this is revenge, or are they RMT traders who think this helps their case? Or are they just trolling for fun?
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Bruminam on 27/04/2008 11:44:58 ..
double post - pls delete
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam
Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 27/04/2008 11:39:32
Originally by: Bruminam This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK.
I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post.
I like how you post with some noob alt. It's good to see you back up your claims.
I think you're either an isk buyer or a rather annoying troll. Not a single person with any kind of a reputation has ever made this claims, which are getting old and lame.
All I have is 'alt' characters. I've only been playing since February on all 5 accounts. I'm happy to post on any of them. Talk about talking rubbish, making assumptions and talking out of your ass. Past 3 posts as examples.
I know players aren't arsed who stays and who quits - this is just feedback for CCP - you're making mistakes and you are losing subs because of it.
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Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam
Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 27/04/2008 11:39:32
Originally by: Bruminam This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK.
I was going to keep all my accounts active,just to raise skills offline while I play other games. I now won't be. Between just me and the OP CCP just lost ten subscriptions. I wonder how many others have cancelled who can't be bothered to post.
I like how you post with some noob alt. It's good to see you back up your claims.
I think you're either an isk buyer or a rather annoying troll. Not a single person with any kind of a reputation has ever made this claims, which are getting old and lame.
All I have is 'alt' characters. I've only been playing since February on all 5 accounts. I'm happy to post on any of them.
I know players aren't arsed who stays and who quits - this is just feedback for CCP - you're making mistakes and you are losing subs because of it.
5 accounts for a few hours play a week? Plus the alt posting? Or is it you dont play more than a few hours a week but they do work 23/7?
Caught with the hand in the cookiejar
And since february..wow, so you almost played 2 months now. Funny how that also matches a certain other thing. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cruthensis
Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
Nah, the transporter is still flying Itty 3 and the 4 others are retrievers in an ice belt Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
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Aki Corrino
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Frug too common and too consistently stupid
well... Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity
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Azreal Crow
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Posted - 2008.04.27 12:04:00 -
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I haven't had much time to play lately, just been reading the forums. Seems like CCP is really taking some steps in the right direction to try and get rid of the isk farmers. Keep up the good work guys.
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2008.04.27 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Cruthensis
Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
Nah, the transporter is still flying Itty 3 and the 4 others are retrievers in an ice belt
Originally by: Cruthensis
Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
You're too dumb to realise you might be wrong.
My main character is Deca Dense. I joined Kiri Jols Miner Training Programme in February. 3 chars have been in Retrievers and one in an Itty V, just recently. All the characters were in Nerdherd with Kiri Jol, Artheon and quite a few others. I was up front with them and they all knew I had multiple accounts. All of them were guilded into the Corps - they can verify how much mining I've done and the fact I haven't been able to log on the last few weeks..
Legitimate characters, legitimate Corps, all I've posted is facts which can be verified by quite a number of players.
Feel free to keep posting out of your ass though
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.27 13:16:00 -
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Step one might be actually posting with that character.
Step two is post your full api so we can verify you are telling the truth.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2008.04.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Step one might be actually posting with that character.
As I said, I'm a new'ish player. I don't even know how to change which character I post on - I logged in and used the character the board assigned me. I'm happy to do so and have given you the name of my main character.
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Step two is post your full api so we can verify you are telling the truth.
Sure hang on a sec. I'll jot down my account and password info, while I'm at it.
I'm not assed about getting the isk back, I'm not assed whether people believe it or not. I'm about done playing. Like I said, I posted this for CCP's info. They ARE making mistakes. Its costing them subscribers.
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Cpt Hound
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Hound on 27/04/2008 14:04:05
Originally by: Bruminam
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Step one might be actually posting with that character.
As I said, I'm a new'ish player. I don't even know how to change which character I post on - I logged in and used the character the board assigned me. I'm happy to do so and have given you the name of my main character.
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Step two is post your full api so we can verify you are telling the truth.
Sure hang on a sec. I'll jot down my account and password info, while I'm at it.
I'm not assed about getting the isk back, I'm not assed whether people believe it or not. I'm about done playing. Like I said, I posted this for CCP's info. They ARE making mistakes. Its costing them subscribers.
The full api key DOES NOT GIVE OUT ANY INFORMATION WHICH CAN BE EXPLOITED.
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Rastadeen
Minmatar The Singularity Project Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:20:00 -
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Im just curious. If i sell something, contract or marked.. and buyer buys it with non legal bought isk... will GMs remove the isk without giving me the item back? /paranoid on
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam My main character is Deca Dense. I joined Kiri Jols Miner Training Programme in February. 3 chars have been in Retrievers and one in an Itty V, just recently. All the characters were in Nerdherd with Kiri Jol, Artheon and quite a few others. I was up front with them and they all knew I had multiple accounts. All of them were guilded into the Corps - they can verify how much mining I've done and the fact I haven't been able to log on the last few weeks..
Legitimate characters, legitimate Corps, all I've posted is facts which can be verified by quite a number of players.
Feel free to keep posting out of your ass though
Yet you still post with alts? And now the 5 chars are 4? Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
upalupa
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Posted - 2008.04.27 15:40:00 -
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I use 2 accounts. One is the mission runner,the other handles pretty much all the salvage/looting and market aspects. My trader has been giving my combat char hundreds of millions of isk...."Give Money"...not trades,contracts or anything else...for years...iv never had a problem.
O ya..iv never bought or sold isk,never bothered with GTC's in any way shape or form. Did CCP make a mistake with the OP..yes, imo they did...they shoulda busted his ass much much earlier. I do believe they op in what he says..."Iv never bought isk". Its what he doesnt say lol..."Iv never sold isk"..curiously ommited. And 300 mil isk..and he wants to quit?...
4 accounts...2 miners, uhm..would that be "macro-miners" by any chance? 2 combat toons farming plexes..read op. And u say u like to sell the faction drops? Yup hes definetely telling the truth..he doesnt need to buy isk.....
This reads like some nice propaganda attempt to sway people from CCP's current attempts to combat these scum. The fact these guys are here attempting to discredit CCP, leads me to believe one thing.
GJ CCP, ITS WORKING!!!
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.27 15:57:00 -
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Its just propaganda from RMT people meant to hinder a policy that is obviously working.
Some RMT's are apparently out of isk on EVE so happy times.
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2008.04.27 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Bruminam on 27/04/2008 17:02:21
Originally by: Shintai
Yet you still post with alts? And now the 5 chars are 4?
The main char is training to be a gang boss, as is standard with multi person mining set ups.
Originally by: Esmenet Its just propaganda from RMT people meant to hinder a policy that is obviously working.
Some RMT's are apparently out of isk on EVE so happy times.
I've posted my main characters name, the Corps my chars have been in since I joined the game, the names of the leaders of that Corps, the fact that all members of the Corps have known who my alts were and thereby known exactly when I have logged in or not.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.27 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam
I've posted my main characters name, the Corps my chars have been in since I joined the game, the names of the leaders of that Corps, the fact that all members of the Corps have known who my alts were and thereby known exactly when I have logged in or not.
****, some people who post on these forums are dumb. No wonder this place has such a ******** reputation.
Until you post your full api key your post is just pointless unsubstantiated accusations. So you are indeed the dumbass in this case.
I can do something similar and claim you hacked my account stole all my isk and killed my dog.
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.27 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
you hacked my account stole all my isk and killed my dog.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.28 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
This week I log in and the char who holds the majority of all my ISK is down 500 million ISK at neg 450 million ISK.
Originally by: Bruminam I've only been playing since February on all 5 accounts.
You've only been playing a few hours a week since February and yet you had 500,000,000 ISK.
Noob mining must be more profitable than I thought.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:31:31 1. He plays a few hours a week 2. He has 5 accounts 3. He has been playing for 2 months.
Something not right there at all Why have 5 accounts if he only plays a few hours a week? Is he running macros or something?
Personaly, a I think the ISK sellers are doing the troll bandwagon. The isk sellers are trying to stop CCP removing the isk the sell, so the only thing they can do is fakeposts in a hope that CCP will stop removing isk.
Unfortunetly, such tactics are going to fail tbh. --
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Anira
Minmatar Chrysohelios
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Posted - 2008.04.28 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Anira on 28/04/2008 08:44:46 Yet another isk buyer/seller propaganda thread. If it was a genuine mistake, why is this guy even posting here? It changes nothing, it's the GM's that he must speak to. All he is doing is trying to gain sympathy from the players on this forum.
Even the title alone should ring a bell "anti isk seller collateral losses". Yea sure let's stop the anti isk seller stance to protect innocent victims...
Whatever CCP is doing it must be working.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:45:19
Originally by: Bruminam Legitimate characters, legitimate Corps, all I've posted is facts which can be verified by quite a number of players.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/
Copy API key. Post it here. Then everyone in this forum will help you AFTER someone has investigated it. --
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Manic Smile
Altruism. Malice.
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 25/04/2008 23:42:50
Originally by: Ko Shimin (snipped for bandwidh preservation)
here's what I would do if this happened to me:
1. cancel subs and put money in jar instead 2. jar eventually reaches X $ 3. buy planeticket to Hawaii 4. Prey to Pele (goddess of fire/volcanoes), asking her to devour Iceland and sink the remains beneath the atlantic waves.
If Iceland remains where it is, I will have gotten a trip to Hawaii out of the deal.
My point is: dont get mad, get even.
Pele has better things to do...like eating the island of Hawai'i. And we don't need more tourist...I suggest you spend X on hiring some radical terrorist group.
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Mudrat
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai Why is it people here that lose ISK due to GMs either posts with completely unknown alts or completely lack any "red thread" in their statements, always have 4-5 accounts and someone else that does aswell.
Its just as likely to believe the earth is the center of the universe, the stars are painted in the top and your sailboat will fall over the edge if you sail too far out.
Escalate it to a senior GM if you think its wrong. If they both say you are wrong, then they have evidence and proof on their side. And you dont. You acted wrongfully. Take it like a man instead of these endless lies.
why post with alts?
simple really - the majority of the forum goers are petty, childish and immature. sometimes just 2 out of 3.
posting with your main anymore is asking to get griefed or abused with how easy it is to find anyone with locator agents
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Mudrat
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:31:31 1. He plays a few hours a week 2. He has 5 accounts 3. He has been playing for 2 months.
Something not right there at all Why have 5 accounts if he only plays a few hours a week? Is he running macros or something?
Personaly, a I think the ISK sellers are doing the troll bandwagon. The isk sellers are trying to stop CCP removing the isk the sell, so the only thing they can do is fakeposts in a hope that CCP will stop removing isk.
Unfortunetly, such tactics are going to fail tbh.
5 mining characters
i can only handle about an hour a day of looking at rocks. eventually it will become an hour every two days, th an two hours every week
you guys keep inflating the price of trit by suicide ganking, mass pvp in small ships and the eventual empyrian age impact on the economy and most people wont need to mine all day to make enough money to keep going. 20m an hour is satisfactory
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 09:53:19
Originally by: Mudrat
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:31:31 1. He plays a few hours a week 2. He has 5 accounts 3. He has been playing for 2 months.
Something not right there at all Why have 5 accounts if he only plays a few hours a week? Is he running macros or something?
Personaly, a I think the ISK sellers are doing the troll bandwagon. The isk sellers are trying to stop CCP removing the isk the sell, so the only thing they can do is fakeposts in a hope that CCP will stop removing isk.
Unfortunetly, such tactics are going to fail tbh.
5 mining characters
i can only handle about an hour a day of looking at rocks. eventually it will become an hour every two days, th an two hours every week
you guys keep inflating the price of trit by suicide ganking, mass pvp in small ships and the eventual empyrian age impact on the economy and most people wont need to mine all day to make enough money to keep going. 20m an hour is satisfactory
Eh? What the crap has ganking noobs in high sec got to do with me? Price of high trit is a bad thing for miners??? You mine less because trit is priced higher? What type of logic is this!
Why do I even care if you make 20mil/hour. My noob alt makes this much without even me being logged in to make orders competitive. And thats not even my main income source.
What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with API key? Post your API or this whole thread is moot.
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Eternal Hatred
Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *Sends furb 1 billion, then reports him as a buyer
Infact, in some places, this is legit way to grief people. Send them alot of ISKies and petition them as a ISK buyers. I know many people who has suffered from this and I know more people who do this just for lulz. _________________
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Hatred
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *Sends furb 1 billion, then reports him as a buyer
Infact, in some places, this is legit way to grief people. Send them alot of ISKies and petition them as a ISK buyers. I know many people who has suffered from this and I know more people who do this just for lulz.
Which is why if I find 1 bil in my wallet out of noware, I am going to file a pettion with a GM next I log in telling him about unknown isk, so that way the "Greifer" just wastes his RL money
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.28 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Hatred
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *Sends furb 1 billion, then reports him as a buyer
Infact, in some places, this is legit way to grief people. Send them alot of ISKies and petition them as a ISK buyers. I know many people who has suffered from this and I know more people who do this just for lulz.
Unless the sender is a known ISK seller, I doubt the GMs would do much.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with API key? Post your API or this whole thread is moot.
You post your API key. Or your demand for an API key is moot. He didn't come here to try and prove to a bunch of closed minds what CCP are doing wrong. He came here to tell you they are doing wrong.
You don't want to base your ideas on the overwhelming evidence CCP have already provided about the mistakes being routinely made, you want somebody's API key on the false promise you will look at it objectively, which you certainly never will.
Anything you find with such an API key you will immediately twist into categoric proof that CCP are the Best Thing Since Sliced Bread (tm) and therefore it's just noise.
And that goes for every API Key wanter. Not a single one of them would know what to do with it anyway, and they certainly wouldn't find anything other than love for CCP with one if they had it.
So why continue the charade that you are somehow great, and that you can judge for yourself with an API key, there is no way that you could. This is known. It is known because the evidence already exists without API keys. CCP provided it. You still won't believe it.
It is known. You are still in denial, as are all the other fanboiz. Your calls for API keys only demonstrate how far down the path of irrelevance you are.
--- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5.
95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:19:00 -
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Fifth Horseman, I'm starting to wonder who you might be working for.
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Aurix Lexico
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:26:00 -
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eh, I would bet he is an alt of the OP and just trying to mess with everyone.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:29:00 -
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What's the matter fanboiz? Scared to look for yourself? Scared to find out GMs are following procedures that attack the innocent? Scared to find out that they know they are, but they don't stop doing it?
If I was as terrified of the truth as you people, I'd probably be hiding behind rampant fanboiism too. It's a pretty safe bet... lots of company.
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Maliber
TALON'S GRIP Green Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:30:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Maliber on 28/04/2008 11:31:03
Originally by: Fifth Horseman stuff
I sense much anger in you young one. Anger leads to the dark side....
On the whole its kinda a moot point. I think its to be expected that there is some collateral damage. Its sad but well i dont think everyone is perfect so its a acceptable loss. There is nothing to gain by whining about it or by being on ccp's side and trolling the whiners. All this discussion leads to one thing: more visibility of isk selling and ccp's campaign against it. And that is exactly what the sellers want more visibility for there threads.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:58:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman Stuff
Well since you have been sent to jail 3 times for stealing why should we listen to anything you say?
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.04.28 12:01:00 -
[161]
I agree with the OP.
If the GM's are going to ding people for transactions made by ISK traders, they need to stop transactions to players who might not have the faintest idea what is going on. I shouldn't sell stuff because an ISK trader might buy it? How much more disruptive does it need to get?
I'm not a greedy person and I would much rather see CPP get money than some 3rd party leech but the system of GM gods yanking ISK based on transactions in an open market is just wrong. If they pull ISK from my accounts, I'm going to do the exact same thing the OP did. Screw that. There are plenty of time sinks in this game. I don't need CPP's paranoia to deal with too. |
Cassandra Beckinsale
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Posted - 2008.04.28 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cassandra Beckinsale on 28/04/2008 12:43:51
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
That why CCP arguments regarding ETC, ISK buyers, farmers and so on is a total **** created by CCP it self to gain even more money and for drive players to BUY ISK only form CCP.
I would truly love to see how a CCP member staff can answer to such question: Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character???
Pathetic CCP behavior.
Edited: and this is why i vote for NO ETC and NO FARMER. NO TO ANY FORM OF REAL MONEY - ISK TRADING.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.28 13:23:00 -
[163]
Your a fracking isk buyer... a parasite.... You fail.
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Res Tance
Caldari British Legion The Core Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.28 13:31:00 -
[164]
First off, it's impossible to categorically state whether the op was buying isk or not.
We just don't have enough evidence and so all we can do is guess.
There are people out there who do cheat however, and it seems EVE has no shortage of them. Whatever game they play they look for a way to gain some kind of advantage because losing, or being less powerful than someone else, directly affects their feeling of self worth. Part of this mentatlity is also the need to justify their actions, as this is how they protect their ego. This is why very few people who are caught cheating, as with many convicted criminals, are able to turn around and admit they were wrong without attempting to justify their actions in some way. There's even a quote from someone, who's name is now lost to us, who tried to justify their actions with the immortal words: "If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough".
The original op's apparent reluctance to pursue the available escalation process does raise a question about just how sure he is of his innocence. Alternatively, it could be a case of him not being bothered as he sees CCP's mistake as a sleight upon his character. I'd advice him to put his pride aside and do as much as he can to clear his name.
Fifth Horseman's approach to this matter, despite not being the original poster, is one of aggressive posturing which seems to be more aimed at attacking the measures put in place by CCP to prevent cheating rather than winning people over to his way of thinking. The excessive use of the term "fanboi" is an attempt to belittle anyone who puts a positive slant onto measures aimed at making this game better for the majority of people. A particularly unhelpful, and occasionally destructive attitude, which in the end benefits few. If there are people that disagree with you attempting to insult them will not convince them you're right.
CCP make mistakes, they are after all human, but there are channels that each player has at their dispoal to appeal against any decision. If there was no ability to escalate petitions then it would be a different matter. It does take a little bit of effort to do this, agreed, but I for one am happy to spend this time knowing that in the main there have been genuine isk sellers caught in the net.
If nothing esle these escalations will help CCP filter out future genuine ISK transfers, so as to reduce the chance of an innocent party being affected.
When it comes down to it this is a reactive measure by CCP caused by those unscrupulous players amongst us who just can't stand having to work for their gains.
I salute CCP for their hard work and hope that they iron the kinks out of the process as soon as they can.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.28 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Why do I even care if you make 20mil/hour. My noob alt makes this much without even me being logged in to make orders competitive. And thats not even my main income source.
T20 T2 BPCs I bet.
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Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.04.28 14:29:00 -
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GJ, make your "loss" even more severe.
If you get 300mil out of nowhere possibly by mistake you assume it is "your money"?
Also CCP can do whatever they please with *their* database in *their* game, they just tend not to touch what we consider "ours". So much for "robbing".
Whiny ISK sellers deserve clone grade alpha and pod in middle of hostile 0.0 so they have something to really whine about. And guess what, CCP could do that if they would be as nasty as you paint them.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.28 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Res Tance A particularly unhelpful, and occasionally destructive attitude, which in the end benefits few. If there are people that disagree with you attempting to insult them will not convince them you're right.
Can you say that rampant fanboiism helps? Or any of standard run-of-mill fanboi mouthspew helps?
I have never once said I intend to win them to my side, in fact, I have been consistent in my view that there is no hope whatsoever of convincing a fanboi that CCP is capable of mistakes. Even CCP claiming they made a mistake isn't enough to convince the fanboiz that they are. I thought I was very very clear about this, but apparently not.
On these forums the first person to call for Proof or STFU wins any arguement. Providing he's pro-CCP. Anybody else can go jump.
How about CCP prove something, anything. They've only ever attempted to prove one thing, once. And seeing as it was them cheating, and them providing evidence they didn't, then lol.
Even when they are convicting you of something directly, they do it behind closed doors, on evidence that not a single person except CCP will ever be allowed to see, and there are no grounds for appeal that don't come without an inherent threat from CCP.
And like I say, the only thing I want to see, is one of these vocal pro CCP rabblers suddenly get the stiff one eye from CCP and making a thread on it here, and having his own kind shout him down. That's pretty much Eve's end game for me, sod Titans. That's what these posts are all about, when that guy is forlornly protesting his innocence, I'm going to be linking his comments from here, with "What go around come around kid, and post your API key lol." attached underneath.
CCP grant themselves the power to do whatever they like, it's their game, but nowhere, not one single line of the EULA says I have to like it.
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sethfon
Caldari Apex Ultima
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Posted - 2008.04.28 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Res Tance A particularly unhelpful, and occasionally destructive attitude, which in the end benefits few. If there are people that disagree with you attempting to insult them will not convince them you're right.
Can you say that rampant fanboiism helps? Or any of standard run-of-mill fanboi mouthspew helps?
I have never once said I intend to win them to my side, in fact, I have been consistent in my view that there is no hope whatsoever of convincing a fanboi that CCP is capable of mistakes. Even CCP claiming they made a mistake isn't enough to convince the fanboiz that they are. I thought I was very very clear about this, but apparently not.
On these forums the first person to call for Proof or STFU wins any arguement. Providing he's pro-CCP. Anybody else can go jump.
How about CCP prove something, anything. They've only ever attempted to prove one thing, once. And seeing as it was them cheating, and them providing evidence they didn't, then lol.
Even when they are convicting you of something directly, they do it behind closed doors, on evidence that not a single person except CCP will ever be allowed to see, and there are no grounds for appeal that don't come without an inherent threat from CCP.
And like I say, the only thing I want to see, is one of these vocal pro CCP rabblers suddenly get the stiff one eye from CCP and making a thread on it here, and having his own kind shout him down. That's pretty much Eve's end game for me, sod Titans. That's what these posts are all about, when that guy is forlornly protesting his innocence, I'm going to be linking his comments from here, with "What go around come around kid, and post your API key lol." attached underneath.
CCP grant themselves the power to do whatever they like, it's their game, but nowhere, not one single line of the EULA says I have to like it.
I like what you are saying!
One day it will all come around to fanboys and ccp, Life has away of coming back and kicking you right in the B-lls.
Keep up the good work Fifth and open mind that no one is perfic is what it is all about.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 16:08:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 16:14:27
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Lord WarATron What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with API key? Post your API or this whole thread is moot.
You post your API key. Or your demand for an API key is moot.
Actually, I have.
CCP is no superhuman. They make mistakes like everyone else. If you have a problem, you go back and discuss it with the GM's. If you got overcharged at the supermarket, you dont shout and scream in the carpark about being ripped off, you go back to the information desk and sort it out.
If the person chooses to make his case public, then he needs to supply public proof of what is going on. Sounds Obvious yes? This can be screenshots, API key or whatever he needs to prove to the public that he was wronged.
Example. A long time ago eve uninstaller deleted non-eve folders if you installed eve in a certain way. A forum poster made his case public and told us exactly what had happened and allowed someone reading the thread to re-create the issue. This then got fixed. However, the poster did not just say "omg, CCP sapping mah files". he actually gave a lot of info.
Look at the last sob story isk seller threads. Guy deletes 16mil SP char because he has a -700mil wallet. CCP return the char. He was upset over this massive loss and the sob story was only complete when the guy admitted to being a "habitual" isk buyer and carried on buying more isk to cover his losses.
Again, nobody is 100% perfect. But if people are going to make a public case, then they need to let the public see the dirty laundry out as well. After all, not everybody is 100% perfect. --
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:01:00 -
[170]
Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players's private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming abouth their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:09:00 -
[171]
Two-hundred-ten-billion ISK.
210,000,000,000.00 ISK
Nice job. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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Cordran Li
Gallente The Really Awesome Players Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:16:00 -
[172]
OP got FRUGGED!
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Batwigg
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:19:00 -
[173]
Originally by: GM Guard Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:20:00 -
[174]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players's private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming abouth their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
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Hebik Fane
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:27:00 -
[175]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players's private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming abouth their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:31:00 -
[176]
/ms awaits Fifth Horseman calling GM Guard a fanboy post......
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Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:35:00 -
[177]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
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Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
OMG. You (CCP) need to do this far more often.
Truth bomb this is.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:47:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Scout McAlt /ms awaits Fifth Horseman calling GM Guard a fanboy post......
No, it's just a job. I bet he saw it advertised in the local paper.
I wouldn't eat your words just yet. The last thread like this started out the same way, smart ass GM being all proud and***** sure, then with Prism X and GM Nova back peddling like they were on steroids, then with a rather convenient Mitnal Ker-Plunk.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings. It doesn't sound great for this pair at the this stage, but I'd rather wait and see, thankyaverrrymuch.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.28 19:01:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Scout McAlt /ms awaits Fifth Horseman calling GM Guard a fanboy post......
No, it's just a job. I bet he saw it advertised in the local paper.
I wouldn't eat your words just yet. The last thread like this started out the same way, smart ass GM being all proud and***** sure, then with Prism X and GM Nova back peddling like they were on steroids, then with a rather convenient Mitnal Ker-Plunk.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings. It doesn't sound great for this pair at the this stage, but I'd rather wait and see, thankyaverrrymuch.
After all, it isn't possible that you were wrong and even less likely that CCP are right.
At least, not in your posts. It's ironic that you call people "fanboys", since you only ever make the most hostile posts about CCP and refuse to interpret anything that happens in anything other that that which casts them in the worst possible light. For what it's worth, I don't think that you're a butt-hurt ISK buyer, like whatsisname Stormborn (6.5Bn in the hole, LOL) or a propagandizing ISK seller.
I think you're just an attention-seeking forum troll, with an outside chance that you're employed (or imagine yourself as being in their employ) by some other game company as an astroturfer (yes such people do exist).
Since you hate worthless, incompetent, dishonest, cheating, lying, biased CCP so much, stop giving them your money.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:41:00 -
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So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk?
How long does it take these farmers to make this?!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:45:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk?
How long does it take these farmers to make this?!
Well...
10,000 Farmer accounts 30,000,000 ISK per hour 23 Hours a day
about a day. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Blackjack Turner
Caldari Inverted Awareness United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:57:00 -
[182]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
Awesome!!
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Lurana Lay
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Posted - 2008.04.29 01:54:00 -
[183]
See, now that kinda stuff is what we like to see. Good job whacking some of those RMT'ers.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:31:00 -
[184]
Edited by: voogru on 29/04/2008 02:34:50
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
I love you.
Please keep this up.
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Aramova
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aramova on 29/04/2008 02:42:16 I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Nobody should doubt that mistakes do happen, and I would propose that petitions that are escalated A) Have a faster SLA (and turnaround), and B) carry some form of additional punishment if it is provable beyond a reasonable doubt that the user in fact broke the EULA.
Helps keep rule breakers from appealing, and helps the true innocent get their goods back sooner.
None the less, good catch, and everyone I'm sure is refreshed by this new open communication by the GMs. ________________________________
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aramova Edited by: Aramova on 29/04/2008 02:42:16 I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Nobody should doubt that mistakes do happen, and I would propose that petitions that are escalated A) Have a faster SLA (and turnaround), and B) carry some form of additional punishment if it is provable beyond a reasonable doubt that the user in fact broke the EULA.
Helps keep rule breakers from appealing, and helps the true innocent get their goods back sooner.
None the less, good catch, and everyone I'm sure is refreshed by this new open communication by the GMs.
There is a profile in EON 11 about me and I talk about the RMT issue, all of this anti-RMT action seems to be happening after I was interviewed for EON.
I almost wonder if I had anything to do with it....
The fact that there are so many whiners about this means that CCP is actually taking charge of the issue and I hope it continues.
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Aramova
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: voogru There is a profile in EON 11 about me and I talk about the RMT issue, all of this anti-RMT action seems to be happening after I was interviewed for EON.
I almost wonder if I had anything to do with it....
The fact that there are so many whiners about this means that CCP is actually taking charge of the issue and I hope it continues.
Major kudos to you as well for all your hard work in fighting the isk farmers, we can't just recognize the GM's work without thanking those who helped push this new policy of reform, ________________________________
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Varopriest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:58:00 -
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WTG CCP! I think most of us have been waiting for a response from the GM's on this. Who knows? Maybe we'll see a reduction in these threads where someone is claiming that their isk was taken wrongfully. Remember: "That which does not kill you, makes you giggle. And tends to change your native language to Smackinese." |
Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Aramova Edited by: Aramova on 29/04/2008 02:42:16 I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Nobody should doubt that mistakes do happen, and I would propose that petitions that are escalated A) Have a faster SLA (and turnaround), and B) carry some form of additional punishment if it is provable beyond a reasonable doubt that the user in fact broke the EULA.
Helps keep rule breakers from appealing, and helps the true innocent get their goods back sooner.
None the less, good catch, and everyone I'm sure is refreshed by this new open communication by the GMs.
There is a profile in EON 11 about me and I talk about the RMT issue, all of this anti-RMT action seems to be happening after I was interviewed for EON.
I almost wonder if I had anything to do with it....
The fact that there are so many whiners about this means that CCP is actually taking charge of the issue and I hope it continues.
MongWen for dictator! Macro intel(and Voogru) gets a presence on the council, bringing what we know of farmers to CCP and guideing the ban hammer to those macros which need squished. -------------
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:11:00 -
[190]
I think this is the first time in history that someone in CCP aside from Prism X won a thread.
Actually all of CCP just scored big time.
Some ISK buyers just got PWNED, beyatch.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:59:00 -
[191]
Free bree for the GM's. This is what pwnage should look like!
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Acedias
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:51:00 -
[192]
Nice one! Keep up the good work ccp, I agree fully with this method of humiliating the bastards.
You just made me laugh properly outloud at work.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:25:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Aramova
I agree with Voogru, this is fantastic work, amazing openness, and unprecedented feed back by CCP.
Before you get too enthusiatic I suggest you go to a highsec ice belt or in Jovainnon. The odd publicized move agaisnt farmers isn't making a dent in the problem. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP! |
Pariah Ptah
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:28:00 -
[194]
About time we see something like this.
And the old saying if something is too good to be true, maybe it is. :)
Pariah Ptah.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:46:00 -
[195]
GMs own again! EXECLENT WORK! Another reason why I love to play EvE Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:49:00 -
[196]
Although I applaud GM Guards initiative (and maintain this should be our standard of dealing with public accusations of virtual theft from our players) I think it is only fair we recognize GM Novas contribution from 2007. If only to remind us that crying wolf is generally not a good idea.
As always I'm open for the possibility of human error but that will get resolved through the due processes already in place. Taking these things to the forums almost invariably creates a flaming threadnought and that doesn't help anyone. Except people with an unhealthy interest on the subject, like me. No point in helping me really.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:53:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Shintai on 29/04/2008 09:55:03 Edited by: Shintai on 29/04/2008 09:54:24
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk?
How long does it take these farmers to make this?!
Doing some rough math from just watching and petitioning macroers in icebelts (Aydoteaux 1-1 (Funny 8-1 seems all human almost. Only 5-6 people there), Tolle, Carrignottin). I would say the usual setup of 5 miners and 1 transporters macromining ice 23/7 yields about 5000pcs of Ice a day. Or 150000 a month. Considering ice is 140K isk unprocessed thats 21billion ISK there. So 210billion can be made in a month by 50 accounts. In those 3 of the 4 icebelts abnove there is about 100-150 macroers.
Thats with macks tho, using retrievers it drops alot but still quite the income. To compare human ice miners make maybe 4-500million per account instead of 3billion per month. Even tho they are higher skilled and better equipped. But hard to beat a 23/7 bot Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:00:00 -
[198]
I've been trying to find an screen grab from Robocop - the scene where poor little Murphy gets blasted to bits, and Joe Cox taunts him by with "does it hurt?" in a baby voice.
Instead, I suppose I just have to reference it this way to illustrate the amount of humiliating pwnage that has taken place in this thread... |
Krollin
Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:09:00 -
[199]
Greetings,
Sadly I would suggest that the 210Billion was accumilated alot quicker than has been suggested, not only do they aquire ISK from macro mining in belts but do not forget the mission farmers too.
Of course we are doing are bit to dent thier income flow
Kro
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Tomiko Yoshida
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:23:00 -
[200]
I'd just like applaud the GMs on their willingness to be open on the forums about such matters - it definitely helps us players relate to you guys more when you discuss stuff with us.
Was just wondering how far CCP goes to stop macro miners and isk farmers and the like though... Cause i mean on eBay yesterday, i saw no less than 5 different auctions for a CD containing "the ultimate Eve online mining macro". Do these sorts of things get pulled quickly by you guys, or is it a slow process of tracking IPs and accounts and whatnot?
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:25:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Krollin Greetings,
Sadly I would suggest that the 210Billion was accumilated alot quicker than has been suggested, not only do they aquire ISK from macro mining in belts but do not forget the mission farmers too.
Of course we are doing are bit to dent thier income flow
Kro
All too true. RMT, like drug trade, can not be that effectively fought on the side of the producer. If there is a demand, someone will try to fill it no matter how hard you come down on the producers. However, by letting the banhammer come down with extreme prejudice on ISK BUYERS, the problem is tackled at the source: the demand for illegitimate shortcuts in a game that is supposed to be cheat proof.
There are still people who decide that they rather waste hard earned money to cheat at a computer game, but actions like this make it increasingly unpopular. Once enough people decide buying dirty ISK is just not worth it and switch en masse over to the GTC trade, paying for the subscription of other players, the ISK sellers and macro miners will leave simply because there is no more money to be made off EVE players. Kill the demand and the supply will wither and die.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:52:00 -
[202]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
It's good you chimed in. I don't want to sound smug or confrontational but I can say, if I want to buy ISK, you guys aren't going to catch me. That said, there are GTC's if I feel that pressed for game time and the point is, you guys have a real up hill battle stopping this.
My original suggestion to combat this was get together with all the MMO's ad put those legal teams to work (you pay for them anyway) and hunt these sites down that deal in IG currencies. RL money needs RL solutions. No in game implementation is going to stop this. |
R0ot
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:56:00 -
[203]
Post your api and let we the eve community have a look at your wallet records. Simple as. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Danadur
Gallente Naval Protection Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:19:00 -
[204]
So let me summarize the series of events.
1. Both of you recieved ISK from characters linked to ISK selling websites. This ISK was subsequently removed from your wallets.
2. You both petitioned and found out that you had been busted.
3. Thinking that there was no way anyone could prove any different, you decided to add more fuel to the fire and stir up the hate and discontent against the GM's and CCP in the forums instead of following thru with the petition process because you knew you had been caught red handed and would get no satisfaction by continuing.
4. Contrary to your original thought process described in #3 above, Lead GM Guard made the (mostly) unprecedented step of publishing CCP's research and facts which led up to your ISK being removed.
5. Now not only have you been publically called out by the GM's, you have been found lacking by almost the entire Eve population who reads these boards.
Good-bye, good riddance, your busted.
Standing ovation to Lead GM Guard. This needs to be done more often (i.e. every time someone comes here and complains about having ISK removed).
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 21:18:00 -
[205]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
omg, I love you GM Guard...
I soo know who is getting a free beer the next fan fest (if you will have an apperace that is).
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Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.29 22:31:00 -
[206]
tam tam tam... another one bites the dust...
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.30 14:43:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Ioci I don't want to sound smug or confrontational but I can say, if I want to buy ISK, you guys aren't going to catch me.
Perhaps they should just ban you now then.
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.30 19:30:00 -
[208]
GM guard has just earned the achievement: Forum Ownage 10
Have a nice day.
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Zantrei Kordisin
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.30 19:42:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Ioci I don't want to sound smug or confrontational but I can say, if I want to buy ISK, you guys aren't going to catch me.
So how? Do you know how their logs work and as such can say with certainty that they wouldn't be able to tell?
How do you think you'd manage that? _________________________________________________________
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:22:00 -
[210]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support
Can we please make responses like this policy whenever someone comes to the forums and complains that CCP took money from them for no reason?
Can we also get news reports about how much RMT money has been removed from the game each month? No names are necessary - just a total will go a long way towards demonstrating CCPs commitment to addressing this problem.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:57:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Shadow Joy
Can we please make responses like this policy whenever someone comes to the forums and complains that CCP took money from them for no reason?
Can we also get news reports about how much RMT money has been removed from the game each month? No names are necessary - just a total will go a long way towards demonstrating CCPs commitment to addressing this problem.
100% /signed on that.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:18:00 -
[212]
Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved.
Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:20:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved.
Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance.
Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Wolf Spyder
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:31:00 -
[214]
That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:32:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here.
You should really read the last page of this thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:42:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved.
Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance.
Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK.
Reducing the comparative advantage would help with achieving this goal, I think.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.30 23:03:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here.
Read this post [Link] and then ask questions
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.30 23:20:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Shadow Joy Can we please make responses like this policy whenever someone comes to the forums and complains that CCP took money from them for no reason?
Can we also get news reports about how much RMT money has been removed from the game each month? No names are necessary - just a total will go a long way towards demonstrating CCPs commitment to addressing this problem.
Absolutely agreed.
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here.
You should really read the last page of this thread.
Unfortunately, seeing as he didn't read the thread, the chances of him seeing your advice to read the rest of the thread... won't be read.
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Berand
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.30 23:38:00 -
[219]
Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Stuff
\o/ Win. Thanks for that :)
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Yblarbo Janks
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.01 00:48:00 -
[220]
Janks is happy to see this, and wants to know if it is possible the Daily Message on the log in screen can have an addition on how much isk was removed from the wallets of isk buyers on say... a weekly basis.
Think about it... "remember buying isk is against the EULA" and then seeing "350 Billion isk was removed from players who purchased isk the week of x to y" - players will think twice before buying isk, and then the macroers can macro all they want - nobody will want to touch their isk.
I shot a man in Mara, just to watch him Die.
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Cpt Hound
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.01 00:55:00 -
[221]
I want to see Ko Shimin and Bruminam post now.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.05.01 02:11:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved.
Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance.
Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK.
Or you could whine about people buying ISK on the forums, I hear that helps.
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
Durus Scelus
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Posted - 2008.05.01 05:04:00 -
[223]
210 Billion.. For @###@%@# Sake.
lol, Epic forum win by CCP.
I want to see more of stuff like this!
Good work! - Evil
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Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.01 08:30:00 -
[224]
Just an FYI on the ISK farmer front:
I went through my "buddy" list last night (yeah, not many "buddies" in there) and 90% of the farmers I had in there from 6 months ago appear inactive now. I watched over a few days to see if they were ever on when I was and...nada.
To conclude, either the farmers are recycling characters to disguise their activities or CCP do actually banninate them in significant numbers.
Yeah ok, not that much 'I' in this FYI. Sorry.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.01 09:13:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Cruthensis Just an FYI on the ISK farmer front:
I went through my "buddy" list last night (yeah, not many "buddies" in there) and 90% of the farmers I had in there from 6 months ago appear inactive now. I watched over a few days to see if they were ever on when I was and...nada.
To conclude, either the farmers are recycling characters to disguise their activities or CCP do actually banninate them in significant numbers.
Yeah ok, not that much 'I' in this FYI. Sorry.
Actually that's pretty encouraging.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.01 10:27:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Malcanis
Actually that's pretty encouraging.
For UCAM's work i whold say yes..
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The TX
Gallente Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.05.01 10:39:00 -
[227]
This is becoming a very big thread. -------------------- [Signature]
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.01 13:32:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Big Al
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved.
Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance.
Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK.
Or you could whine about people buying ISK on the forums, I hear that helps.
Always fighting the good fight. *salute* ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.01 14:47:00 -
[229]
Originally by: The TX This is becoming a very big thread.
Hmmm... define "very". And "big".
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.01 15:48:00 -
[230]
TB ftw?
Seriously, Truth Bomb was h4x!
gg ccp. gg. good game
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Doctor Death
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Posted - 2008.05.01 16:48:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Doctor Death on 01/05/2008 16:51:12
Originally by: Cruthensis
I went through my "buddy" list last night (yeah, not many "buddies" in there) and 90% of the farmers I had in there from 6 months ago appear inactive now.
OK anybody else that has ISK farmers on thier buddy list me and CCP want to know!
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2008.05.01 16:59:00 -
[232]
GM Guard won the eve-o with this :D
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Maltitol
Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.01 17:07:00 -
[233]
210 billion isk!!!
ahahahahahahahahahaha.. that is so awesome!
Props to CCP!
we need more of this for sure!
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xOm3gAx
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2008.05.01 17:14:00 -
[234]
truth bomb ftw gj ccp =) you should do this more often.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:22:00 -
[235]
Originally by: GM Guard CCP comments to another ISK removal thread
Right.. Guess I can declare CCP the winner again in another ISK removal Thread.
Whats the score now?
CCP: 4 - ISK buyer forum whining: 0
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slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.01 21:51:00 -
[236]
nice job GMs.
more stuff like this will go along way to maintaining the trust with subscribers. Showing that you do care and are actively fighting the isk farming/selling in the game.
You should really think about doing monthly reports on your progress and/or asking players to look for certain things that are very basic and common things isk sellers, farmers etc do.
You don't have to give out all the ways you catch individuals but just a few minor things might lead you guys to a mountain of intel so you can do your job.
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Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: PhantomMajor well if i were you, i'd look through my wallet and locate the name of the GM who removed your ISK, then go over to the crime and punishment forum and place a bounty on the GM for 150 million isk.
if everyone starts doing this, then pretty soon being a GM wont be such a rewarding career in EvE.
oh and if your name happens to be Mhonaverge or Leader Tim, i'd start looking over your shoulder when you undock from now on
Nice try, but it doesn't work like that.
1. The GM's name appears nowhere. The one case we've had and that we've looked at was a transfer out to a nonexistent char and the victim of the theft received no explanation whatsoever. That worsens things because the victim's first impression is that he has been scammed somehow.
2. You can't place bounties on chars that do not have negative sec status.
3. Anyone with a high bounty on them can get a bud to podkill them and share the bounty.
4. You can't use tools or methods provided by the house to "fight the house," because they can change the rules, the tools, etc. Just look into the cases where stupid ppl thought they could tank Concord. CCP increased the dmg done by Concord to 2309834 bazillion points, in effect saying, "Tank this!"
What is really called for is an independent website where ppl can discuss this stuff free of CCP rules and censorship.
And believe me, sooner or later this kind of thing will end up in court, and CCP's EULA and TOS will not count for ****. There are lots of things you can even sign, not merely tacitly agree to by using something, that courts have and will continue to nullify, saying, "Nah, doesn't count."
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:38:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Zanpt What is really called for is an independent website where ppl can discuss this stuff free of CCP rules and censorship.
Linkage ---------------- (Forgot to pay my sub, back in a few days! ) Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:50:00 -
[239]
Originally by: slip66 nice job GMs.
more stuff like this will go along way to maintaining the trust with subscribers. Showing that you do care and are actively fighting the isk farming/selling in the game.
Fail. If CCP mows down any innocents at all, it hurts them and hurts the game immensely. And this technique is completely unnecessary, as CCP has the database, has very detailed logs, controls what addtional things they may wish to log, and can craft db queries to trace out all the connections from ISK miner to ISK delivery agent.
A bunch of ISK farmers did disappear and haven't been seen since, but a new team that appeared in our area persists, meaning either that CCP doesn't have the right tools crafted, or they only used them in a single batch effort to remove ISK farmers. We keep chasing this one bunch out of our systems and they keep reappearing.
CCP can very easily and effectively deal with this at the ISK farming/selling end. Why they don't, and didn't even make much of an effort at all until recently, remains a mystery.
Originally by: slip66 You should really think about doing monthly reports on your progress...
Agreed. Since I began in Eve, Blizzard announced banning something like 20,000 accounts for gold farming. The only thing I've seen from CCP was a cryptic comment by one of their ppl in a forum about IGB being all out of ISK, wink wink. I don't understand why they can't release information on the actions they are taking. CCP are very strange ppl.
Originally by: slip66 and/or asking players to look for certain things that are very basic and common things isk sellers, farmers etc do.
Not really necessary. Anyone who has been in Eve more than a few weeks or months can easily recognize and confirm ISK farmers, and that's all that needs to be reported for CCP to be able to trace out the entire network of that farming/selling operation. Everything leaves an audit trail. Database queries can pull all that stuff up, given any one of the characters involved, no matter how many stages of middlemen the farmers/sellers use.
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Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:53:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Big Al ...Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs...
That's a common misconception. It's highly unlikely that any ISK farming or selling operation ever spends even a dime on subs. Their stock in trade is ISK... as long as they can buy GTCs for ISK, it would run completely counter to their purpose to ever buy a sub with RL money. They are about bringing RL money in, not sending RL money out.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:55:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Tarminic on 02/05/2008 00:55:44
Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: Big Al ...Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs...
That's a common misconception. It's highly unlikely that any ISK farming or selling operation ever spends even a dime on subs. Their stock in trade is ISK... as long as they can buy GTCs for ISK, it would run completely counter to their purpose to ever buy a sub with RL money. They are about bringing RL money in, not sending RL money out.
And given that the supply of GTCs is relatively inflexible, it's much more likely that farmers just put upward pressure on GTC prices instead of people purchasing more GTCs from CCP. ---------------- (Forgot to pay my sub, back in a few days! ) Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:56:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: PhantomMajor well if i were you, i'd look through my wallet and locate the name of the GM who removed your ISK, then go over to the crime and punishment forum and place a bounty on the GM for 150 million isk.
if everyone starts doing this, then pretty soon being a GM wont be such a rewarding career in EvE.
oh and if your name happens to be Mhonaverge or Leader Tim, i'd start looking over your shoulder when you undock from now on
Nice try, but it doesn't work like that.
1. The GM's name appears nowhere. The one case we've had and that we've looked at was a transfer out to a nonexistent char and the victim of the theft received no explanation whatsoever. That worsens things because the victim's first impression is that he has been scammed somehow.
2. You can't place bounties on chars that do not have negative sec status.
3. Anyone with a high bounty on them can get a bud to podkill them and share the bounty.
4. You can't use tools or methods provided by the house to "fight the house," because they can change the rules, the tools, etc. Just look into the cases where stupid ppl thought they could tank Concord. CCP increased the dmg done by Concord to 2309834 bazillion points, in effect saying, "Tank this!"
What is really called for is an independent website where ppl can discuss this stuff free of CCP rules and censorship.
And believe me, sooner or later this kind of thing will end up in court, and CCP's EULA and TOS will not count for ****. There are lots of things you can even sign, not merely tacitly agree to by using something, that courts have and will continue to nullify, saying, "Nah, doesn't count."
Wont happend. Why? Because its CCP property! They are only giving you access to it!
Yes. This have been discussed many times. Heck, some years ago I read an article against someone in the US trying to take the case to court, because he got banned for gold sales. It got dismissed by the judge! Why? Because..
A.) The account did not belong to him! The account was the access door to someone elses home, and he had clearly violated the rules of its owner. So his access was revoked as stated by the owners rules!
B.) The copyright laws tells us that software is considered the property of the company who made it. This company ONLY gives ACCESS to the product to anyone as long they abides by the rules set by its owner. That includes among many things paying a monthly fee if this is required. It also includes rules about how to behave. WHat you can do with the game and what you can not do with and within the game.
Its simple as this: you abide by the rules CCP set to grant you access to their product. They wont let you use it unless you abide by the rules. If you break the rules, they wont let you near their product any more. You accept that when you hit enter on TOS and EULA. And the TOS and EULA are based on national and international laws and copyright rules and regulations. Take it or leave it. Its CCP product.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.02 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cruthensis Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. It used to be three Covetors and an Iteron V but that was a long time ago. Now it's three Hulks and an Iteron V. Lots of legitimate players mine that way, too. But real ISK farmers rarely speak English and would never take the time to be posting here. Triple fail for you.
Hey, I know you. Meet you when you were chasing some ISK farmers from system to system. Sorry to see you taking such a knee-jerk, prejudicial position on this.
To all you other GM fanbois, it's too bad there's no effective way of excluding you from juries... you seem to equate accusation with guilt, which is a sign of psychosis and not at all good for innocent people falsely accused. Which. Actually. Happens. In. Real. Life. Too.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.05.02 01:31:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Zanpt [...stuff..]
To all you other GM fanbois, it's too bad there's no effective way of excluding you from juries... you seem to equate accusation with guilt, which is a sign of psychosis and not at all good for innocent people falsely accused. Which. Actually. Happens. In. Real. Life. Too.
We the "GM fanbois" dont equate accusation with guilt.
1. I gave the OP for example many times to prove him selves. He failed in doing so.
2. As you can see, I was unsure about his position to start with. No. I dont equal accusation with guilt.
3. I gave him another chance to prove his innocence!
4. He failed doing so!
5. Then CCP come in, and we get the picture he had denied us! CCP have given them both chances to prove themselves. In both situations: they failed!
6. Conclution: CCP brings evidence. The people claiming innocence have the chances to defend themselves for the GM, but have kept quiet in petitions, but bringing it here.
There are rules. Honestly, I cant see the problems with following these. Why are you?
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Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.02 01:46:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: Cruthensis Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. It used to be three Covetors and an Iteron V but that was a long time ago. Now it's three Hulks and an Iteron V. Lots of legitimate players mine that way, too. But real ISK farmers rarely speak English and would never take the time to be posting here. Triple fail for you.
Hey, I know you. Meet you when you were chasing some ISK farmers from system to system. Sorry to see you taking such a knee-jerk, prejudicial position on this.
To all you other GM fanbois, it's too bad there's no effective way of excluding you from juries... you seem to equate accusation with guilt, which is a sign of psychosis and not at all good for innocent people falsely accused. Which. Actually. Happens. In. Real. Life. Too.
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Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.02 02:13:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Zanpt And believe me, sooner or later this kind of thing will end up in court, and CCP's EULA and TOS will not count for ****...
Wont happend. Why? Because its CCP property! They are only giving you access to it!
Sorry, no. As players invest greater amounts of time and money they begin to acquire rights that will sooner or later begin to be recognized by the courts. At that point it won't matter what the EULA says, the courts will begin to eviscerate the EULA. That's just the way it is, moreso in some countries and less so in others. The sovereign power of the state trumps all in the end.
As I tried to allude to but you apparently didn't get, there are contracts you can sign now, today, that have clauses that cannot be enforced. Employee non-compete clauses are unenforceable in most States in the U.S. because courts have held that no one can be prohibited from earning a living. It's also widely understood that in the U.S. system you can't sign away certain rights. You can sign, but it's unenforceable. |
WCPistolPete
Gallente MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.02 04:54:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Zanpt
Sorry, no. As players invest greater amounts of time and money they begin to acquire rights that will sooner or later begin to be recognized by the courts. At that point it won't matter what the EULA says, the courts will begin to eviscerate the EULA. That's just the way it is, moreso in some countries and less so in others. The sovereign power of the state trumps all in the end..
Wrong. It's a game, you pay to play and agree to abide by the rules. Break the rules and CCP can stop you from playing. CCP can cancel your account at that point per the EULA.
All of these "mystery transactions" brought up by the trolls can be tracked not only by database transactions but by IP address and more. It's not hard to determine alias accounts when you have the full database sitting right in front of you.
Originally by: Zanpt
As I tried to allude to but you apparently didn't get, there are contracts you can sign now, today, that have clauses that cannot be enforced. Employee non-compete clauses are unenforceable in most States in the U.S. because courts have held that no one can be prohibited from earning a living. It's also widely understood that in the U.S. system you can't sign away certain rights. You can sign, but it's unenforceable.
Not applicable here. This is a game that you pay to play. Not playing does not deny you the ability to earn a living unless you are a farmer/RMT who is breaking the rules of the game and subject to removal. No judge is going to take the cheater's stance.
Good job CCP, now go clean out Osmon VII, Ice Belt 1. There are 15 accounts ice mining there 23/7 with one Occator keeping better time than the atomic clock.
Aydoteaux, Carrirgnotin, Oichiya, Aramachi, Isenairos, Motsu, Jxxx (I'd type the name but it would lag the fourms ) are some other systems in dire need of cleansing.
To the farmers: YARR!!! |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.02 05:13:00 -
[248]
I can see CCP is really worried about getting sued this week. Why do folks bring up these stupid legal augrement all the time. I have a better idea instead of putting forth your legal theory in a forum thread why not just go ahead and sue them and see how it goes.
My guess it would be a waste of time and money, but you can easly prove that wrong. I do see that IGE though is getting sued by someone that felt posting in a forum about suing woudnt get him anywhere so he did take legal action. Anyway best of luck in suing CCP over what ever it was you felt they need to be sued for. |
Varopriest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.02 05:28:00 -
[249]
Originally by: MilowFV
My guess it would be a waste of time and money, but you can easly prove that wrong. I do see that IGE though is getting sued by someone that felt posting in a forum about suing woudnt get him anywhere so he did take legal action. Anyway best of luck in suing CCP over what ever it was you felt they need to be sued for.
Thanks for that information. Here's a link that I found interesting on the subject. Here
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Chomapuraku
Caldari Templar Republic R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:11:00 -
[250]
this thread is so ridiculously over, it's not even funny.
guy buys isk, gets negative wallet, petitions it, GMs point and laugh at him, tell him that **** happens when you buy isk
guy goes to forums for satisfaction, lies about a bunch of stuff, tries to stir up the **** against the GMs. GMs stamp his sorry ass out like a cigarette, we (the monkeys) laugh and throw **** at him
other idiots try to argue that the GMs are out of line. it is clear to anyone with a brain larger than a sparrow testicle that the GMs are very much in the right.
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Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:59:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: Cruthensis Let me guess... four covetors and an itty 5?
Sounds more like a farmer to me.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. It used to be three Covetors and an Iteron V but that was a long time ago. Now it's three Hulks and an Iteron V. Lots of legitimate players mine that way, too. But real ISK farmers rarely speak English and would never take the time to be posting here. Triple fail for you.
Hey, I know you. Met you when you were chasing some ISK farmers from system to system. Sorry to see you taking such a knee-jerk, prejudicial position on this.
Whoa there! Did you not see the: Twas a joke. Indeed ISK farmers don't (we think!) post on the forums.
Overall I've noticed more 4xBarge/Exhumer + 1 Itty5 groups than 3:1, but that's not exactly big news. I've noticed a decline in the popularity in these mining groups (except for in the ice fields ) in favour of the real ISK printing machines: mission farming CNRs and lo-sec haulers.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.02 09:13:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Zanpt And believe me, sooner or later this kind of thing will end up in court, and CCP's EULA and TOS will not count for ****...
Wont happend. Why? Because its CCP property! They are only giving you access to it!
Sorry, no. As players invest greater amounts of time and money they begin to acquire rights that will sooner or later begin to be recognized by the courts. At that point it won't matter what the EULA says, the courts will begin to eviscerate the EULA. That's just the way it is, moreso in some countries and less so in others. The sovereign power of the state trumps all in the end.
As I tried to allude to but you apparently didn't get, there are contracts you can sign now, today, that have clauses that cannot be enforced. Employee non-compete clauses are unenforceable in most States in the U.S. because courts have held that no one can be prohibited from earning a living. It's also widely understood that in the U.S. system you can't sign away certain rights. You can sign, but it's unenforceable.
I'm pretty sure that no matter how much they pay, they won't be granted the right to cheat.
Professional footballers earn tens of thousands of pounds per match played, but they can't sue FIFA when they get a 1/2/10 match ban for breaking the rules. |
Sn0w Wh1te
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Posted - 2008.05.02 09:15:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Ko Shimin Edited by: Ko Shimin on 25/04/2008 05:55:28 I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff, so most probably the GMs reffer to one of those transactions or.. it can be a mistake from their side. I never bought any isk. I play this game with 4 accounts to cover efficiently all areas of the game and to have a steady flow of isk into my wallet. A casual game session for me is with 2 accounts running level 4 missions/plexing/exploring and the other 2 accounts mining/manufacturing. Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work. Some of you might say "get over it, farm fast and continue playing". That is not the case. Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial.. I know I can recover the ROBBED isk in about 2 days play time, but why should I? The isk I have been ROBBED of is not the only problem. I have lost more than that. Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss. There is also a matter of pride and trust. I cannot stand idle and raise my shoulders saying **** happens and continue playing, that's the pride thing. The trust thing is, if this happened once, why shouldn't it happen again???? So I have cancelled my accounts. I want to congratulate CCP for it's way of insuring it's loss of subscribers. In my case the 300m isk would be the value of a 60 day time code. So, you CCP for a 60 day time code (which by no means was stolen from you as I HAVE NOT BOUGHT ANY ISK).. worth, how much? 25-30$? You have lost the following:
4 accounts worth 60$ each month (my accounts)
an EON Magazine client (my subscriptions) worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)
another 5 accounts worth 75$ each month (my brother in law is cancelling along with me)
another EON Magazine client worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)(my brother in law also buys EON Magazine)
plus more to come as 3 other real life friends that played the game see no more reason to play as me and my brother in law are quitting. They have another 7 accounts total which could be another 105$ a month if they will quit also.
Good job CCP! You just made a VERY BAD deal..
I think that I'll save this year's game subscriptions and EON subscriptions and spend it all at the local w.h.o.r.e.house for some prime time, at least that will be something pleasant to remember..
Too bad that this unique and great game is ruined by your insatiable hunger for $ and your "trigger happy" GMs.
All this crap for a measly 300m.. Zomg what is EVE coming too lol
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Mothercare
Elite D.I.S Organisation
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Posted - 2008.05.04 07:40:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Bruminam I have 5 accounts. I have them set up as a mining operation. I only play a few hours a week, in fact I haven't had time at all to play for nearly a month. I'm certainly not a farmer or a RMT.
Your post is an insult towards our, the readers, intelligence.
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Mothercare
Elite D.I.S Organisation
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Posted - 2008.05.04 07:49:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Bruminam You're too dumb to realise you might be wrong.
And "You're too dumb to realise" that if you post a post like that it will be taken as "I am macro mining/farming".
You are still insulting our intelligence... or are you "too dumb to realise" that?
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Mothercare
Elite D.I.S Organisation
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Posted - 2008.05.04 08:05:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Bruminam I'm about done playing. Like I said, I posted this for CCP's info.
The proper way to "inform" CCP is to use the ingame petition system for this, not the forums. And yeah, while your are at it dont forget to tell your dog to end the EON subscription as well. (read: Yes, we are fully aware of that your are posting anti-CCP propaganda.)
Originally by: Bruminam They ARE making mistakes. Its costing them subscribers.
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Miranda Starborn
Beehive Technologies Roids'Are'Us
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Posted - 2008.05.04 08:16:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Bruminam . All of them were guilded into the Corp
So...you got Word of Warcraft gold farmers as well. Well, then we know that as well.
The apples never fall far form the tree...
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.04 08:25:00 -
[258]
Wait a minute... Where did the OP go? |
Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.04 09:13:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Miranda Starborn Word of Warcraft
Now that sounds like a boring game. |
Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.04 09:14:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: Big Al ...Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs...
That's a common misconception. It's highly unlikely that any ISK farming or selling operation ever spends even a dime on subs. Their stock in trade is ISK... as long as they can buy GTCs for ISK, it would run completely counter to their purpose to ever buy a sub with RL money. They are about bringing RL money in, not sending RL money out.
I bet you are the type of person who will claim elsewhere that ISK-for-GTC is good because money goes to CCP etc. ;-)
Fact is, GTC-for-ISK benefits mostly ISK farmers (not the alleged "poor students", if you have been in game for a while, you will know that even in the poorest countries people buy lots of ISK through GTC).
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Jimmae
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Posted - 2008.05.05 15:53:00 -
[261]
To those who still claim it's all made up by GM's I want to say this:
I am dispatching and recieving "large" sums of isk fairly regulary. We're talking hundreds of millions to billions. It's all legit business but aiming towards leaving as little traces as possible towards my associates.
Therefor I am expecting CCP to come down on me some day (for a long time already) and I could even understand if it happened. However nothing happened so far... even with a donation of well over 1 bil going into my wallet once without any goods exchanged.
There might be a chance they're following the wrong lead every now and then but personally I do not think it happens very often.
PS: Yes, this is an alt post for the simple reason to protec my business and my associates.
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Bob Veers
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.06 22:32:00 -
[262]
Can anyone tell me about how long it takes for the GM's to get back to you about a dispute? I provided proof in a petition yesterday, and was just wondering if this is like ship reimbursement, or like a stuck petition? I kinda feel stuck with a negative wallet, but I am totally willing to go through the proper channels, just hoping it is a quick response time.
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