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Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 13:51:00 - [1] So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 14:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer. I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error. Wow...so he provided it, then changed his mind almost immediately afterwards. How convenient.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 14:25:00 - [3] Originally by: Ko Shimin Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Tarminic So did anyone actually check out his transaction data? I would but I don't have any such program on my work computer. I tried but seems like he changed his api key 30 secs after posting it as i just got API authentication error. Wow...so he provided it, then changed his mind almost immediately afterwards. How convenient. Read the first 2-3 posts of the people that read it before I changed it, convenient,huh??? Or.. you would call them liars??? As far as I know, no one said anything about your market transactions, and EVE-Mon doesn't deal with any market-related data (as far as I know, I don't use it on my work computer). If someone posts said data and there's nothing suspicious, I will gladly remove my foot from my mouth and apologize.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 14:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Ko Shimin What does a full API key do actually, that so many are reluctant to share it? I haven't played around with it much, but I believe it reveals: -Characters on that account -Wallet Journal (any money that goes in and out of your wallet in a certain # of days) -Transaction Journal (any market transactions made within a certain # of days) I don't think you really need to give out your API key. You can download your wallet journal and transaction journal from the My Character section, and then upload those to eve-files. That way you only reveal your market data instead of that plus skills trained, characters, etc.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 14:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Fifth Horseman You're not having my API key either, also convenient? hmmm? I bet I'm an ISK buyer too. Can I have your full API key? no? hmmm... how convenient. If you really want to see my transaction journal I'd be happy to upload it for you. I have nothing to hide except for embarassing ship losses.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 14:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Tarminic on 25/04/2008 14:51:53 Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Tarminic I don't think you really need to give out your API key. You can download your wallet journal and transaction journal from the My Character section, and then upload those to eve-files. That way you only reveal your market data instead of that plus skills trained, characters, etc. I'm pretty sure that would be very easy to edit. And as such a rather pointless. If they went through enough effort they could edit it, but removing a player donation or suspicious transaction from the market logs means that you have to alter the balance past that point to reflect the lack of said transaction. That would be tough to do if he ever went below 300 million ISK on his part because he'd have to remove other transactions to make him look like he never received an extra 300 million ISK. And doing that could leave a suspicious gap in transactions, in addition to changing the modification date on the file itself. The only way to be COMPLETELY sure is through the API, but I'd be willing to believe him if he posted the market transactions (and journal).
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Lord Dynastron It seems pretty obvious to me shat went down... You sold some stuff to an isk seller.... and he got busted for selling isk. They went thru his outgoing money logs and removed/reversed all transactions paying no attention the the one (or two) that were actually legitimate. Your corp/alliance should help you recover. You should not quit over this. GM's don't usually reverse transactions as far as I'm aware, they reverse ISK donations. The only case I can think of is where someone gave someone else a massive amount of ISK through a trade window or sold him a rocket for 300 million ISK.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:50:00 - [8] Originally by: An Anarchyyt But what about the possibility that he ones stole from one of the GMs, and the GM has then created a fake ISK seller character, spawned up some money (from a Dev), sent it to that guy, and then reversed the transaction after noticing that he had spent enough to put him in the negative. Then an escalated petition would solve that very quickly. If the OP is innocent he would escalate the petition, obviously. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.28 18:20:00 - [9] Originally by: GM Guard Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42 Hi everyone. We prefer to discuss players's private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming abouth their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here. Ko Shimin (OP): You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums. If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place. Bruminam: You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on. You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly. Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support Anyone have a good "welp" image? ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk? How long does it take these farmers to make this?! Well... 10,000 Farmer accounts 30,000,000 ISK per hour 23 Hours a day about a day. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)

Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance. Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ***** ISK. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)**
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Wolf Spyder That really sucks. you would think that CCP would have given your stuff back if you proved that you were in the right. Did you try to escalate the petition to someone higher than a GM? Like a senior GM or a higher. Something is seriously wrong here. You should really read the last page of this thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 13:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Big Al Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Big Al Ban half the farmers and increase the price of illicit ISK to that of the 'legal' GTC isk. Problem solved. Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs instead of forcing people who want to continue to play to buy GTCs to get out of that negative balance. Or the players could just STOP BUYING THE ******* ISK. Or you could whine about people buying ISK on the forums, I hear that helps. Always fighting the good fight. salute ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Zanpt What is really called for is an independent website where ppl can discuss this stuff free of CCP rules and censorship. Linkage ---------------- (Forgot to pay my sub, back in a few days! ) Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Tarminic on 02/05/2008 00:55:44 Originally by: Zanpt Originally by: Big Al ...Oops, that would require CCP to lose those farmer subs... That's a common misconception. It's highly unlikely that any ISK farming or selling operation ever spends even a dime on subs. Their stock in trade is ISK... as long as they can buy GTCs for ISK, it would run completely counter to their purpose to ever buy a sub with RL money. They are about bringing RL money in, not sending RL money out. And given that the supply of GTCs is relatively inflexible, it's much more likely that farmers just put upward pressure on GTC prices instead of people purchasing more GTCs from CCP. ---------------- (Forgot to pay my sub, back in a few days! ) Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)

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