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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ko Shimin on 25/04/2008 05:55:28
I logged in 2 days ago and found my main account with 300 million isk less. In wallet I see a reversed trade between me and a player I don't even know. Petition reaveals that this transaction was reversed because the GMs thought that I bought isk from that player. In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff, so most probably the GMs reffer to one of those transactions or.. it can be a mistake from their side.
I never bought any isk. I play this game with 4 accounts to cover efficiently all areas of the game and to have a steady flow of isk into my wallet. A casual game session for me is with 2 accounts running level 4 missions/plexing/exploring and the other 2 accounts mining/manufacturing.
Since the GMs don't want to return MY isk, I have decided to give up on EVE Online. There is no point in playing a game where the GMs can rob a player's hard work. Some of you might say "get over it, farm fast and continue playing". That is not the case.
Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
I know I can recover the ROBBED isk in about 2 days play time, but why should I? The isk I have been ROBBED of is not the only problem. I have lost more than that.
Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss.
There is also a matter of pride and trust. I cannot stand idle and raise my shoulders saying **** happens and continue playing, that's the pride thing. The trust thing is, if this happened once, why shouldn't it happen again????
So I have cancelled my accounts.
I want to congratulate CCP for it's way of insuring it's loss of subscribers. In my case the 300m isk would be the value of a 60 day time code. So, you CCP for a 60 day time code (which by no means was stolen from you as I HAVE NOT BOUGHT ANY ISK).. worth, how much? 25-30$? You have lost the following:
4 accounts worth 60$ each month (my accounts)
an EON Magazine client (my subscriptions) worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)
another 5 accounts worth 75$ each month (my brother in law is cancelling along with me)
another EON Magazine client worth about 60$ a year (or 15$ per issue)(my brother in law also buys EON Magazine)
plus more to come as 3 other real life friends that played the game see no more reason to play as me and my brother in law are quitting. They have another 7 accounts total which could be another 105$ a month if they will quit also.
Good job CCP! You just made a VERY BAD deal..
I think that I'll save this year's game subscriptions and EON subscriptions and spend it all at the local w.h.o.r.e.house for some prime time, at least that will be something pleasant to remember.. 
Too bad that this unique and great game is ruined by your insatiable hunger for $ and your "trigger happy" GMs.
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:02:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:06:00 -
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Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:11:00 -
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The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Go f.u.c.k yourself if you don't have anything intelligent to reply to this topic..
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Awox
Minmatar
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Yes, but the GM's are also pretty stupid, and have been wrong countless times before.
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BaT21
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:23:00 -
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We should have a option to set who we want to accept isk from.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: BaT21
We should have a option to set who we want to accept isk from.
How would that change anything? 
The op seems rather upset tbh... he really should just give me his stuff and move on. If a trade was "reversed" wouldn't that mean you got back whatever was worth 300mil isk in the first place? Did you escalate the petition? I don't want to see the GM responses, but really... Expecting people to care when the majority of your post/replies (replying to trolls is bad, mkay?) are inflammatory and try to detail how much real money CCP is losing...
With subscription rates up, I very much doubt they're losing out a whole lot.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
Yes, but the GM's are also pretty stupid, and have been wrong countless times before.
Yes, but any actually innocent person would escalate the petition to a senior GM who can see reason rather than post on the forums and quit. Innocent people ALWAYS follow the system because they are that sort of law-abiding person... This guy is obviously an ISK-buyer, his outlandish claims of CCP losing five magazine subscriptions and something like twenty accounts over him losing 300m ISK? Yeah right.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:06:00 -
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GMs are humans too (or special bread hamsters), and make errors. Escalate petition if you didnt buy isk.
And you got 4 accounts, earn some new isk. FFS, you quit because some GM 'robbed' you in an online spaceship game? You gonna commit suicide when someone robs you irl of 30 dollar?
Quote:
Actually my loss would be: 300 million isk + the time spent to gather the isk (which translates into subscription fee) + the time needed to recover the loss.
Stupidity FTW.
Your loss would be: 300 million OR the time spend to gther the isk OR the time spend to gather the isk again. Not 'and' 
Anyway, can i haz your stuff?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/04/2008 07:19:08
Originally by: Ko Shimin
RMT Stuff
I read a post by CCP Prism X i think who said that this could be easily(?) verified if the user posted his full API key to the public. Then we the players could see for ourselves that he or she did not speak out of their arse.
So, could you post your full API key please to verify your words?
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:20:00 -
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This is like the 3rd guy in the past 2 weeks to post a cry thread on general forum about the GM's unlawfully taking away all there ISK.
I'm beggining to wonder if this is a RMT attempt to incite some riot to pressure CCP to lighten up on how they are keeping them from leeching off the game.
If not - I keep seeing and hearing the same crap, I don't know much about the policy though - in terms of weither or not CCP will confiscate the ISK in this situation - weither or not the player is aware or not.
If these are ligit-whines and the truth is not being strenched, I agree that immensly sucks and is completely and utterly unfair for the player who losses all the ISK. They did nothing wrong, and more importantly - they had no way of telling that it was bad ISK they traded for.
As I said - I havn't really read these threads, and I don't know the policy in terms of this - but If its ligit I think CCP should require the GM's to reverse the said transaction. Like - if a RMT buyer buy's a ship off a innocent player - CCP should have the GM's reverse that deal - THEN confiscate the ISK. I see absolutly no reason at all why that should not be done - if it is not done, I'm going to presume that the GM's do not have the payrole to take that extra step for ensure a quality, pleasurable gaming experience. I hope not though, that would be a major headshaker.
I may be way off, as I said I havnt really read these threads much - usually because it all reads: whine whine whine to me. And I havn't really read the policy section on this. But - from what I do know and think - well, I just posted it.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
This is like the 3rd guy in the past 2 weeks to post a cry thread on general forum about the GM's unlawfully taking away all there ISK.
I'm beggining to wonder if this is a RMT attempt to incite some riot to pressure CCP to lighten up on how they are keeping them from leeching off the game.
If not - I keep seeing and hearing the same crap, I don't know much about the policy though - in terms of weither or not CCP will confiscate the ISK in this situation - weither or not the player is aware or not.
If these are ligit-whines and the truth is not being strenched, I agree that immensly sucks and is completely and utterly unfair for the player who losses all the ISK. They did nothing wrong, and more importantly - they had no way of telling that it was bad ISK they traded for.
As I said - I havn't really read these threads, and I don't know the policy in terms of this - but If its ligit I think CCP should require the GM's to reverse the said transaction. Like - if a RMT buyer buy's a ship off a innocent player - CCP should have the GM's reverse that deal - THEN confiscate the ISK. I see absolutly no reason at all why that should not be done - if it is not done, I'm going to presume that the GM's do not have the payrole to take that extra step for ensure a quality, pleasurable gaming experience. I hope not though, that would be a major headshaker.
I may be way off, as I said I havnt really read these threads much - usually because it all reads: whine whine whine to me. And I havn't really read the policy section on this. But - from what I do know and think - well, I just posted it.
Well, I dont know about the truthfullness in this OP, but some of the other OP threads have after some scrutiny proved CCP did correct..
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Messerschmitt facility
Amarr
Shinra
Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:36:00 -
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Once upon a time a GM took 1 bil from my wallet. But with clear head and advancing 3 times through the petition levels, I got my bil back after 6 months.
Some GM's are idiots. They do the same thing over and over again so you have to believe them they are so bored, they don't even care to actually check or double check.
But the GM you are currently dealing with is not the only one.
Also you do have to be correct as well. Claiming something is not true might not help you even if you get the attention of a DEV who is willing to go in all the small details with you.
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Shanur on 25/04/2008 07:43:31
Publish your full API key so that we can see for ourself the ISK came from legitimate trades, or STFU.
Since you are no doubt a man of your word you won't use your account anymore anyway so you needn't concern yourself with people looking at your wallet, and this would at least expose the GM's for the frauds you claim they are, provided you aren't actually full of horse manure of course.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:44:00 -
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God... you can make 300mil in 2 days! why am i in low sec space doing missiom runs and trying too rat just too lose ships and make nothing..
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PwnzDeLeOwnz
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shanur
Publish your full API key so that we can see for ourself the ISK came from legitimate trades, or STFU.
Yea! Post your account name and PW too so we can make sure your account is valid as well
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:48:00 -
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Why couldn't you make a more original post... something that starts like "My friend gave me ISK as a gift..." 
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
That hardly means anything tbh.
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: PwnzDeLeOwnz
Originally by: Shanur
Publish your full API key so that we can see for ourself the ISK came from legitimate trades, or STFU.
Yea! Post your account name and PW too so we can make sure your account is valid as well
API key != login information. Besides, he said himself he was never going to play anymore. Are you going to deprive him of his final chance to prove he was telling the trush and avoid being branded a trolling liar?
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 07:56:00 -
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Self importance (impotence  ), thy name is Ko Shimin
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Evita Achura
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Please go there quickly. You are late for your reservation on the probe-mo-tron 5000.
Also if the gm was at fault petition, then escalate it. They will fix it. If they don't post proof that you are not a RMT whine alt. Otherwise GTFO = ---->
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
The GM's have stated that you are full of BS, so thanks but try again.
That hardly means anything tbh.
Well you are in the corp that would know
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:41:00 -
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CCP are currently engaged in a campaign called "The War on GM Reputation".
The majority of these threads are ending with GM's apologising for screwing up, then getting deleted so nobody knows, particularly, the fanboi rabble still think, wrongly, that every one of these threads is an ISK buyer whining.
It seems to have started about 3 weeks, maybe 4. Something changed and a lot of people of losing out. My CEO, having been punished for ISK buying over a year ago by having the ISK removed at the time, recently had it removed again. Had that occurred two months ago, I would have considered moving onto a new corp.
But considering the outrages I read about thrice weekly on here, I'd rather believe some CEO I don't know, than somebody, anybody, with a GM prefix.
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95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 25/04/2008 08:53:26
Help channel ingame can be pretty intresting. The record was 3 people whining within 2 hour that their isk was removed, for a total of arround 15 billion. One of them admitted he bought it, one first admitted it, and later denied it, and the last one said he got it from a 'friend'.
Why dont my eve friends send me a few billion
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
God... you can make 300mil in 2 days! why am i in low sec space doing missiom runs and trying too rat just too lose ships and make nothing..
2 characters doing level 4 missions and 2 mining in hulks all in highsec.. yep.. you do 100-200m isk a day depending on how much you play..
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:59:00 -
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*Sends furb 1 billion, then reports him as a buyer
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Scout McAlt
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:59:00 -
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99% of these thread have the op receiving isk from sellers. Sometimes the seller will say "here is 300mil transfered to your wallet, pass me the item" on trust.
Of course, to a Gm, that looks the same as the isk seller giving you straight up isk for RL cash.
Moral - Always use contracts, Trades or market orders. A GM confirmed they are never ever reversed.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Scout McAlt
99% of these thread have the op receiving isk from sellers. Sometimes the seller will say "here is 300mil transfered to your wallet, pass me the item" on trust.
Of course, to a Gm, that looks the same as the isk seller giving you straight up isk for RL cash.
Moral - Always use contracts, Trades or market orders. A GM confirmed they are never ever reversed.
Wrong wrong, wrongitty wrong. Absolutely brimming with wrongability.
Maybe 99% of the threads that CCP don't delete are about genuine ISK buyers.
GM confirmed, actually, they don't reverse ISK transferred through secure ETC, nothing to do with market orders, trades.
In reality, we've had threads where they DID. But those threads are now deleted. You gotta wonder why.
The vast majority of these threads are CCP screwing up, and it would be wonderful to know what changed and sent CCP on this mad rampage that is screwing innocent people over.
You can't ransom ISK farmers for fear of CCP's retribution on ISK. In fact, without a secure ETC you can't really transfer any ISK, even for valuable goods, without risking an over zealous GM poking his nose in.
Did CCP suddenly start paying GMs commission on ISK reversals? What?
Something changed and the GMs went insane. What was it?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:21:00 -
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Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin
In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:46:00 -
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oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
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I did a big poo once that wouldn't flush, so I put a carrier bag around my hand and picked it out, and put it in the green bin.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin
In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
My rant has a lot of consistency.
And my rant about "circumstancial" holds a very valid point: can CCP bring solid proof that a player used his credit card or any other means of real money payment to buy isk from an isk seller? cause if they don't they act on a "hunch", and maybe one day you will be involved in a trade (of any shape) with a character that you don't know is a isk seller and you will find your isk removed just for that..
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
lol
You really lack the IQ to understand, don't ya?
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Ralara
oh lol @ op
IM QUITTING WQITH ME 4 ACCOUNTS AND MY FRIENDS HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND THEY ARE QUITTING TOO AND SO IS MY FAMILY COS THEY HAVE 4 ACCOUNTS AND WE ALL USE EON AND WERE CANCELLING THAT AND UR GONNA LOSE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH CCP SUCKS I QUIT
lol
You really lack the IQ to understand, don't ya?
IQ??? I doubt he could spell it...
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Estel Arador
Ko Shimin, if you go multiple lines of defense you have to think it over first...
Originally by: Ko Shimin
In the last few months I had multiple transactions with other players in 300m range by selling plex items like Dread Guristas Invulnerability Shields and other stuff
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
If your first statement is true and applicable here you wouldn't have to use 'circumstancial' defense in the second quote; just say "it wasn't a donation it was a legit trade". There's no internal consistency in your rant, that doesn't make you any more believable than the hundreds of other isk buyers who whined about it on the forums.
My rant has a lot of consistency.
And my rant about "circumstancial" holds a very valid point: can CCP bring solid proof that a player used his credit card or any other means of real money payment to buy isk from an isk seller? cause if they don't they act on a "hunch", and maybe one day you will be involved in a trade (of any shape) with a character that you don't know is a isk seller and you will find your isk removed just for that..
Then give us your full api key!
CCP have given us these key so we can share them with people without risk of compromising your account data! And since you only can read data from the API, not add anything - you are fully without any risk!
So please. Your API Key?
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:12:00 -
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I forwarded this thread to my dog and in protest he will quit too !!!
Also he will cancel his life time subscription to the CCP doggy biscuits, I know dog years are not like our years, but still that's a lot.
Rule of the thumb, you did nothing wrong you try and fight the system, you have done shady business you come and whine on the forums.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Red Desire
I forwarded this thread to my dog and in protest he will quit too !!!
Also he will cancel his life time subscription to the CCP doggy biscuits, I know dog years are not like our years, but still that's a lot.
Rule of the thumb, you did nothing wrong you try and fight the system, you have done shady business you come and whine on the forums.
I also forwarded your reply to my pitbull and he offers to bite your dog by the nech and put it out of misery really fast..
You are a very bad dog owner, dragging your dog in this misery..
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004 |
Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
Shame. I used to know some dancers who were gamers.
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:40:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 11:38:39
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Nope! That stuff is my hard work and it will go to hell with me..
Now if only some of the girls at your local played eve.. you could 'trade' your accounts with them.. too ..
I would have done it right away, but unforunately they go for more consistent things..
Shame. I used to know some dancers (different thing I know) who were gamers.
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
Thx m8 (finnaly someone understood my issues here)!!!
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:45:00 -
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Ha ha! Very funny.
You got 300M ISK into your wallet from someone you don't know. When CCP took 300M out, you went negative. That means you had less than 300M in your wallet, which means when you got the ISK from nowhere, you went and spent it.
How often do you do these 300M ISK transactions with people you don't know, without using the contract system?
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
If you don't want to argue with the refs, all you have to do is NOT CHEAT.
This isn't a hard concept. Obviously the OP bought ISK. He's about to cancel his account yet he is unwilling to post his API key to verify his claims; the key can do nothing except reveal some info about the character, there is no security risk.
He doesn't want everyone to see the ISK transfer from his good "friend" jkljdfs :P
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:07:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
I think, from reading this thread, what a lot of people aren't 'getting' is that eve is a game you should enjoy. If you have to fight with the refs for 6 months to get your kit back, and know the same thing could happen at any time, it's no longer fun. If a games not fun... you stop playing it.
Posting about it... why not.
Good luck to you finding 'alternative' entertainment elsewhere.
If you don't want to argue with the refs, all you have to do is NOT CHEAT.
This isn't a hard concept. Obviously the OP bought ISK. He's about to cancel his account yet he is unwilling to post his API key to verify his claims; the key can do nothing except reveal some info about the character, there is no security risk.
He doesn't want everyone to see the ISK transfer from his good "friend" jkljdfs :P
If you don't cheat and a GM makes a mistake you're in exactly the same boat as if you had cheated.
GM's do make mistakes.
The petition escallation process is just as long either way.
Some people may find that unenjoyable and hence quit.
Is that a hard concept for you? No. Didn't think so.
Everything else about the OP is frankly moot as we do not know more than the GMs and the API key won't make much difference. So a cheater made a mistake and accidentally sent the OP money. Ever sold something on the market with the decimal point in the wrong place? Mistakes happen.
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
From this thread i'd say its pretty clear the OP bought ISK and got smacked. Good job CCP.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:17:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03
It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo 
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Raekone
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:18:00 -
[47]
I scimmed through this but have still not found any response to the only relevant question of the lot.
Did you, he asked without expecting an answer, get back what you sold for those 300 mil?
PS.
Also, please fix your ridiculous forums ccp =) I've been trying to post this incredibly important message for the past 5 mins
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/04/2008 12:21:50
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
If you can't take the OPs statements in good faith don't bother posting.
From this thread i'd say its pretty clear the OP bought ISK and got smacked. Good job CCP.
I have to agree.
Twice I have told him to give us his full API key so we could see that he do not lie. Twice he have ignored it.Some others have also asked for it. And when we know CCP gave us the API key so we could use these without compromising our account data plus that you can only read character data and change the APi as soon we have confirmed he is not lying.
Based on this I can only come to the same conclusion as CCP.
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/04/2008 12:18:03
It would be pretty amuzing if a ISK farmer now sent everyone in this thread 300m ISK.. well.. if I wasn't in the thread that is. Love to see you all 'prove' you didn't buy it with you API keys and forum foo
Except that most of us would not just go "woot! free ISKies!" and spend it. I know i would at least fire off an "i got some unexpected ISK from a complete stranger. Is this ISK clean?" petition before i placed the buy order for a Golem.
One thing *is* clear, whether the OP wants to believe that or not. The ISK he received was "dirty". That much is without discussion, and dirty ISK donated is still dirty ISK. If he didn't buy the ISK himself, his friends sure did. And donations are unfortunately one way that can't be shielded from ISK taint. Always be sceptical when receiving a large amount of ISK from someone you don't know and trust.
And if it WAS from someone you trusted, your trust was misplaced. Friends don't give friends dirty in game currency. Nor do friends let friends cheat secur |