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Harley Gonzo
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Posted - 2008.04.26 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Harley Gonzo on 26/04/2008 03:01:23 Lets say, remove ice fields from BOTH highsec and 0.0?
This would REQUIRE the use of lowsec to support 0.0 alliances, would create lowsec alliances, and populate lowsec in general.
let the flames begin!
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Apoctasy
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Posted - 2008.04.26 03:11:00 -
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actually just remove ice fields from highsec.
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Harley Gonzo
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Posted - 2008.04.26 03:14:00 -
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see i'm thinkin if they do just highsec then nothing will really change, everyone will just hang out in 0.0 then. If lowsec is the only place to get ice, then anyone who wants to run a pos will need to have access to lowsec. Then you'll get 0.0 sized battles, over territory, but without the bubbles and doomsdays and nano-you-know-whattery.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.26 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Harley Gonzo but without the bubbles and doomsdays and nano-you-know-whattery.
War-dec = nanos are fair game.
They only don't work when one side or the other has to tank sentries. Which means they are great for anti-piracy gate ganks ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.26 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Harley Gonzo but without the bubbles and doomsdays and nano-you-know-whattery.
War-dec = nanos are fair game.
They only don't work when one side or the other has to tank sentries. Which means they are great for anti-piracy gate ganks
yes... yes they are
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Andrea Skye
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Posted - 2008.04.26 04:30:00 -
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I like this idea :P
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Tai Paktu
Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.04.26 05:25:00 -
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Yes and no. Yes from high sec as it would also help cut down (a bit) on macros and farmers who plague ice belts. No to dropping them from 0.0. The only reason I say that is because there are already more than enough capitals and hotdrops in low sec. The last thing we want is for large 0.0 alliances to have a reason to leave supercaps hanging around in low sec systems that have ice fiels.
So 0.0 alliances can have it out for the ice fields in the nullsec region and hotdrop and DDD each other to hell and back for all we care. I can forsee pirate corps running racket businesses out of ice field low secs, the carebears get to mine in relative safety, the pies don't kill the bears and even protect them when need be and get a cut of the ice sales to empire. Everybody wins. ______
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.04.26 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 26/04/2008 05:40:04 why would we want to turn lowsec into the blob lagfest that is 0.0
low sec is fine as it is now tbh.
edit: i do support removing ice belt from highsec however. I see nothing negative from this at all.
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angient
Death of Virtue Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.26 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 26/04/2008 05:40:04
low sec is fine as it is now tbh.
Low sec is completely dead. The only things you come across these days is just other roaming pirate groups, and the ocassional catalyst in a belt.
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Slate Fistcrunch
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Posted - 2008.04.26 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slate Fistcrunch on 26/04/2008 06:24:26
Originally by: angient
Originally by: Commander Thrawn Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 26/04/2008 05:40:04
low sec is fine as it is now tbh.
Low sec is completely dead. The only things you come across these days is just other roaming pirate groups, and the ocassional catalyst in a belt.
Low sec is pretty bleak. The problem is there is no draw. Something of value needs to be in low sec. I don't think exclusive ice is the way. Moving ice solely to low sec has a tremendous ripple effect. Zero zero siege warfare is hit. Zero zero sovereignty is hit. Research towers are hit and thus invention and thus all tech 2 prices. The consequences ripple out to most (if not all) aspects of the game.
If you're going to make a change to low sec, don't rip up this gigantic core of the game that is working more or less. Others have come up with ideas. The threads are longer than novels.
edit: And we both know 90% of ice miners aren't going to transition to low sec. They'll mine hi sec ores.
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Harley Gonzo
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Posted - 2008.04.27 05:34:00 -
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In response to 'wardecs', with the privateer nerf , 0.0 alliances aren't going to wardec every corp they see just to turn lowsec to 0.0. And if they don't wardec everyone they see they're going to have to take sec hits if they want to kill the people in their systems.
I also don't think they'd just hang out in lowsec with supercaps when they don't have stuff like cyno jammers and Doomsdays, and with the introduction of hictors.
Nano-ships are decent against pirate gatecamps, but defending a mining op is a different scenario.
Somethinlg of GREAT vaue should be in lowsec. There's plenty of things with value in lowsec, the problem is that there's no point to it because you can still get everything everywhere else. If something as cruicial as ice to the market we to be completely moved to lowsec, there'd be a reason to go there.
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Harley Gonzo
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Posted - 2008.04.27 05:35:00 -
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In response to 'wardecs', with the privateer nerf , 0.0 alliances aren't going to wardec every corp they see just to turn lowsec to 0.0. And if they don't wardec everyone they see they're going to have to take sec hits if they want to kill the people in their systems.
I also don't think they'd just hang out in lowsec with supercaps when they don't have stuff like cyno jammers and Doomsdays, and with the introduction of hictors.
Nano-ships are decent against pirate gatecamps, but defending a mining op is a different scenario.
Somethinlg of GREAT vaue should be in lowsec. There's plenty of things with value in lowsec, the problem is that there's no point to it because you can still get everything everywhere else. If something as cruicial as ice to the market we to be completely moved to lowsec, there'd be a reason to go there.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.04.27 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
They only don't work when one side or the other has to tank sentries. Which means they are great for anti-piracy gate ganks
I hear falcons are also good as support for the said nanogang
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Corduroy Rab
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.04.27 06:24:00 -
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Something that a friend of mine and I were thinking about an idea that mirrors some of the suggestions in this thread. It is to leave ice in 0.0 and low sec alone, but remove static ice fields in high sec. There would still be ice in high sec, but you would have to scan it down.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.27 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: techzer0
They only don't work when one side or the other has to tank sentries. Which means they are great for anti-piracy gate ganks
I hear falcons are also good as support for the said nanogang
Lucky mine hasn't been around when ya'll are in system
And no I don't think you're uber... when they make a Huginn that can tank sentries (lol) you'll be in trouble! Or I'll just keep my sec up so you can't shoot me first without dying horribly ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Harley Gonzo
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Posted - 2008.04.28 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Corduroy Rab Something that a friend of mine and I were thinking about an idea that mirrors some of the suggestions in this thread. It is to leave ice in 0.0 and low sec alone, but remove static ice fields in high sec. There would still be ice in high sec, but you would have to scan it down.
Still tho. People would just scan them out, or mine it in 0.0. The only way it would FIX lowsec is if ice were exclusive to lowsec. lowsec needs something thats essential to the game, it doesn't have anything that people can't obtain in highsec or 0.0 where they have the protection of concord or their supercapblobs and doomsdays.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.28 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Harley Gonzo
Originally by: Corduroy Rab Something that a friend of mine and I were thinking about an idea that mirrors some of the suggestions in this thread. It is to leave ice in 0.0 and low sec alone, but remove static ice fields in high sec. There would still be ice in high sec, but you would have to scan it down.
Still tho. People would just scan them out, or mine it in 0.0. The only way it would FIX lowsec is if ice were exclusive to lowsec. lowsec needs something thats essential to the game, it doesn't have anything that people can't obtain in highsec or 0.0 where they have the protection of concord or their supercapblobs and doomsdays.
Exactly right. I used to scan down lowsec ores in highsec or mine it from missions when I carebeared, because it was easier to get a "downing the slavers 2/2" and mine omber for a week than it was to go mine it in lowsec.
And if you farmed all three lvl 3 agents in the station you could have multiple belts to mine in a system without any belts. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Sprak
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 05:53:00 -
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Techzer used to mine? Busted. :)
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.28 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sprak Techzer used to mine? Busted. :)
My laptop with 10fps ftl
I got a real PC and my sec has been ****** since. Barges do make for lols though... Just watch the vid planks made |
Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 28/04/2008 11:22:25 Yah take em from high sec and drop in low that will be much fun would cause a few pirate wars I bet
good idea 2bh low sec is dead to what it used to be
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Ordon Gundar
Caldari Impending Doom Inc. The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ordon Gundar on 28/04/2008 11:33:05 The only benefit I get from living in low-sec is the decent NPC trade routes I pick up on to make money. With the right buy orders, and the fact that a particular low-sec factory has in insatiable demand, means that one 12 jump trip with a Badger can net me 800k Isk. Rinse and repeat a few times. Nice money.
The volumes involved also make Transport sized transactions possible, so the skies the limit!
"Stay Small..Fly Fast..Keep Your Ship" - Ordon Gundar - Low Sec Survivalist & CEO of Danger Zone Enterprises |
tiller
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Harley Gonzo
Somethinlg of GREAT vaue should be in lowsec.
there is already, ME
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Harley Gonzo
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Posted - 2008.04.28 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ordon Gundar Edited by: Ordon Gundar on 28/04/2008 11:33:05 The only benefit I get from living in low-sec is the decent NPC trade routes I pick up on to make money. With the right buy orders, and the fact that a particular low-sec factory has in insatiable demand, means that one 12 jump trip with a Badger can net me 800k Isk. Rinse and repeat a few times. Nice money.
The volumes involved also make Transport sized transactions possible, so the skies the limit!
800k isk for 12 jumps is horrible money. You can go to 0.0 warp to a random belt, kill 2 rats, and you've made at least a mil. Or you can mine in highsec for an hour and make WELL over 800k. The most profitable thing there is in lowsec right now is piracy, and thats slowly dying. |
Ordon Gundar
Caldari Impending Doom Inc. The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.28 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Harley Gonzo 800k isk for 12 jumps is horrible money. You can go to 0.0 warp to a random belt, kill 2 rats, and you've made at least a mil. Or you can mine in highsec for an hour and make WELL over 800k. The most profitable thing there is in lowsec right now is piracy, and thats slowly dying.
No its not..I am only a two-month-old player and I cant rat in 0.0 with a frigate. I am also not skilled / geared up for mining in any sec.
Low-sec has its value for players at my stage of the game. I wont touch it when I have either (i) enough collateral and remote trading skills to play the PC market or (ii) build a decent 0.0 ratting ship.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2008.04.28 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Harley Gonzo Edited by: Harley Gonzo on 26/04/2008 03:01:23 Lets say, remove ice fields from BOTH highsec and 0.0?
This would REQUIRE the use of lowsec to support 0.0 alliances, would create lowsec alliances, and populate lowsec in general.
let the flames begin!
No. removing anything from high sec and putting it in lower security space will never help. High sec dwellers would just mine somthing else that is available in high sec. You wouldnt see any change in high sec at all just fewer eve online subscriptions in general.
I agree with you that low sec has a low population but you need to give high sec dwellers a reason to go to low sec without taking anything away.
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Nama Saya
Chickens with an Attitude No Law
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Posted - 2008.04.28 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Harley Gonzo see i'm thinkin if they do just highsec then nothing will really change, everyone will just hang out in 0.0 then. If lowsec is the only place to get ice, then anyone who wants to run a pos will need to have access to lowsec. Then you'll get 0.0 sized battles, over territory, but without the bubbles and doomsdays and nano-you-know-whattery.
Yup!
Could not say it better. It will be a great thing! Finally lots of targets
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angient
Death of Virtue Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: ViolenTUK
No. removing anything from high sec and putting it in lower security space will never help. High sec dwellers would just mine somthing else that is available in high sec. You wouldnt see any change in high sec at all just fewer eve online subscriptions in general.
The whole point of moving ice to low sec is that Ice is essential to fueling pos's. And without ice carebears couldnt fuel thier pos's and would be FORCED to go to low sec. Or not have a pos.
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Tai Paktu
Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.04.28 19:28:00 -
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I still disagree with taking it out of nullsec. I have absolutely no desire to get involved in the mega-blobs and cap hotdrops that plague zero. To say that a 0.0 alliance wouldn't put a faction deathstar in an ice belt system and then just flood the damn thing with moms and carriers, blockading the gates while they ran a mining op is silly.
Why would a 0.0 alliance have any problems engaging in low sec and taking hits? I've seen big 0.0's with outlaw status. It doesn't mean a damn thing to them to take the hit. They can rat it back up if they really want but there's really no point if they're just chilling in their own systems.
I still like the idea of removing it from high sec, just not 0.0. ______
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.28 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Harley Gonzo
Somethinlg of GREAT vaue should be in lowsec.
there is already, ME
/thread tbh
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:59:00 -
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If you want to see more people in low sec then you should do something about it. And asking CCP to change the game isn't it. People won't go to low sec because the risks are too high with no current way to manage them. It's those risks, not the rewards that are why people don't go. Pirates have overfished their ponds and dried up all the stocks.
If you really want more people to come to low sec, make it safer for them. Start a large corp / alliance structure with a solid NRDS policy that polices low sec. Form up a player run Concord to provide security and more people will come.
If all you want is more people to shoot, leave low sec and go to 0.0. Nerfing high sec will never change the popularity of low sec.
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