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Smodab Ongalot
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:29:00 -
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[tongue in cheek]
We were having so much fun killing them.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=374927&m=2&y=2012&scl_id=40
But now there are so few!
http://goo.gl/hxkPM
See how the NPC kills drop of quite abruptly?
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:33:00 -
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DHAM!
Thats a lot of quitting right there!
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:35:00 -
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Whoa!
That is some srs business.
Keep the bots down, Sreegs. Good job! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:50:00 -
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That graph is an eye opener right there, CCP needs to put in more effort to get rid of these fuks, everywhere. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:05:00 -
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Hopefully with all the cumulative bounties down from NPC kills that botting would have likley brought theres a very real possibility of inflation being seriously hit as a result.
Two birds, one stone.
Much respect CCP. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:12:00 -
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The mineral market its about to go bonkers. Trit very nearly hit 5 isk a unit yesterday and ice is going to be on the up again |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:24:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:Hopefully with all the cumulative bounties down from NPC kills that botting would have likley brought theres a very real possibility of inflation being seriously hit as a result.
Two birds, one stone.
Much respect CCP. This is where we discuss highsec incursions right? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:Hopefully with all the cumulative bounties down from NPC kills that botting would have likley brought theres a very real possibility of inflation being seriously hit as a result.
Two birds, one stone.
Much respect CCP. This is where we discuss highsec incursions right?
Nah this is where we talk about Drones dropping ISK bounties instead of Minerals & REALLY watch the markets go bonkers |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:34:00 -
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Ban hisec incursion bots. I mean players. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:41:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Ban hisec incursion bots. I mean players. I've never seen a succesful Incursion bot... Was suspicious about 1 fleet once but it turned out just to be a bad FC |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:53:00 -
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I feel bad for CCP.
Bots and Incursion farmers are the middle class of EVE.
- Super Bloc Directors --------- Bots ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone else.
Killing bots, while I support it only plays in to the Hegemony of EVE and will benefit the SBD's more than the Everyone else. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:22:00 -
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Mineral prices are already climbing, but I'm sure that's speculation. Most builders have large stockpiles. However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!).
One thing makes me happy though - CCP usually returns banned accounts with negative sums of ISK in their wallets. Therefore let's have a moment of silence for all those vast billions of ISK that have passed away suddenly. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:29:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Mineral prices are already climbing, but I'm sure that's speculation. Most builders have large stockpiles. However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!).
One thing makes me happy though - CCP usually returns banned accounts with negative sums of ISK in their wallets. Therefore let's have a moment of silence for all those vast billions of ISK that have passed away suddenly.
Can you confirm Ptraci wether you are saying others claim that, mining = inflation, or that you are?
Mining is only associated with the movement of isk from one person to another from the aquisition of mineral assests and it's applied use into added value goods. In this sense it does not generate any isk into the game to cause inflationary issues, if anything mining is an isk sink due to the associated manufaturing and sales costs to NPCs.
The idea that "price change" might be significant is simply a process of supply and demand however. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:34:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!). I've never seen anyone claim that mining leads to inflation, unless they were deeply confused about how the flow of money and material worked in the economy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:34:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
Mining is only associated with the movement of isk from one person to another from the aquisition of mineral assests and it's applied use into added value goods. In this sense it does not generate any isk into the game to cause inflationary issues, if anything mining is an isk sink due to the associated manufaturing and sales costs to NPCs.
The idea that "price change" might be significant is simply a process of supply and demand however.
Please tell me your definition of isk sink.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:38:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Please tell me your definition of isk sink. He's widening the definition to be GÇ£by extensionGÇ¥, but he's quite correct. If you include any of the things you actually do with that ore, mining is an ISK sink GÇö you either sell it (taxes) or your manufacture (optional install costs).
But sure, mining in and of itself does not sink any ISK, but then again, it doesn't create any otherGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.02 01:38:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:
Mining is only associated with the movement of isk from one person to another from the aquisition of mineral assests and it's applied use into added value goods. In this sense it does not generate any isk into the game to cause inflationary issues, if anything mining is an isk sink due to the associated manufaturing and sales costs to NPCs.
The idea that "price change" might be significant is simply a process of supply and demand however.
Please tell me your definition of isk sink.
There are charges associated with running industrial processes that are paid to NPCs.
Likewise sales tax and escrow charges incur further isk payments to NPCs. These are applied to ores aswell as refined minerals and goods.
Since the payments go out of th game and are not kept in the player environment it is defined as an isk sink. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.02 04:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The mineral market its about to go bonkers. Trit very nearly hit 5 isk a unit yesterday and ice is going to be on the up again
MINERS (the legitimate kind)!!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS PROFIT TO BE HAD!!!!!! Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:46:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote: Can you confirm Ptraci wether you are saying others claim that, mining = inflation, or that you are?
Others claim that mining = inflation and that "killing miners" helps to stabilize prices. And that tech moons are isk printing factories. Ad nauseam. Which they are not. I have it very clear where isk comes from: rat bounties, mission rewards and insurance payouts. But you know the general level of understanding of the EVE economy is around the pre-kindergarten level. They all believe in magic. Heck even their killboards try to claim that destroyed ships have a "destroyed isk" equivalent when we all know that popping a ship actually adds isk to the economy. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
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Posted - 2012.03.02 07:44:00 -
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Supply and demand... More suppy in terms of minierals actually causes deflation, not inflation... :) (making each unit of trit worth less)
I wouldn't call the "soon to be" rise in mineral prices, a inflation, but merely a stabilazation, slowly making mining worth it for the average player |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:13:00 -
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Now let's hope they can turn their eyes onto other bots as well
/c
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Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:21:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:Supply and demand... More suppy in terms of minierals actually causes deflation, not inflation... :) (making each unit of trit worth less)
I wouldn't call the "soon to be" rise in mineral prices, a inflation, but merely a stabilazation, slowly making mining worth it for the average player
Problem is your confusing price changes due to market forces with player environment changes associated with inflation.
Price changes can occur with the transferance or preference of payments or where certain goods are deemed more valuable to the target audience despite their intrinsic value. So there are instances of other types of price adjsutments, likewise with trader price fixings.
But mining does not add any isk to the overall player pot.
It will help with mining wages of course. Also any increase in mineral values may have a knock on effect with the prices of goods since minerals are the metric for which the value of goods are determined. But this is due to a shift in the supply demand curve due to materials cost.
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Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 13:32:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
It will help with mining wages of course
And this is as it should be. If you are the one taking the time to train all those skills to run the acquisition and research of BPO's/BPCs, set up POSes and fuel them, acquire minerals and assemble them into finished products, then there should be a fair bit of isk flowing your way. In the real world corporations that are vertically integrated in this manner are usually pretty secure in their markets. After all, all the "consumer" is doing is pressing F1 to shoot rats, and calling for reps when he needs them. So pay for your ammo, make a neat little profit, and hand over the rest of your cash to the manufacturers for your shiny bling bling you crave so much.
Grumpy Owly wrote: Also any increase in mineral values may have a knock on effect with the prices of goods since minerals are the metric for which the value of goods are determined. But this is due to a shift in the supply demand curve due to materials cost as this is a dependant on how competitive supplying a certain good is.
Prices were already on the rise due to the increase in mexallon prices since the tier 3 battlecruisers came out. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Miners do not have to increase their prices because of course their only input once their capital outlay is done is time (and mining crystals whose price fluctuations are negligible). The amount of time required to make a given ship has not changed, nor have the mineral contents of said ships. Therefore the only reason a miner-manufacturer would have to raise prices for ships he makes is because he feels that the market can bear a higher price and because he expects higher prices himself.
Prices for minerals are rising now out of sheer speculation (there are huge mineral stockpiles held by manufacturers so it's far too soon to say that actual supply and demand is moving the price) but the price should be more sticky to the high side as there should be less competition to sell minerals now. Unless of course the botters were only manufacturing with their minerals and not dumping raw minerals on their market - in which case we'll see changes first in the products they used to mass produce.
Anyway it will be interesting to observe. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
541
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Posted - 2012.03.02 14:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ptraci wrote:However I find it ironic to think that botters were actually keeping prices down - quite the opposite of what a lot of people were claiming (miners = inflation!). I've never seen anyone claim that mining leads to inflation, unless they were deeply confused about how the flow of money and material worked in the economy.
I was going to say something similar to tippia's comment but she beat me to it in a more condescending passive-aggressive tone.
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