Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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First off I'd prefer you not put words in my mouth and say I said people should hate Eve. Don't hate the player hate the game is a common phrase. It was used specifically to address your goonhating statement, as if we're somehow responsible for whatever ruleset allows you to be shot. I doubt you don't know that but I thought I'd spell it out based on your insinuation otherwise.

Regarding NBSI... It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the CSM whatsoever. Nor does 4chan which btw EVERYBODY hates, nor does SA really. I'll address your question anyway however since I seem to be in a position of having to discuss everything BUT the CSM... If I conquer space I get to make the rules. That's the way Eve works. If I decide that means you can't fly through it without getting shot then those are the rules. Fly another way. If you want to start a corporation with the intention of opening up space to everyone and conquer some of your own then I wish you nothing but the best.

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I never put words in your mouth. I used your manner of speech as a different turn of phrase.

On the point that if you own the space, you make the rules, I agree. And frankly, I would consider applying as a Goon just to make things easier for myself. However, just because you can doesn't mean you should. That is a common thing that most decent parents teach their children. Which makes a lot of Goons the veritable idiot kids who pelt the other kids in your 'sandbox', as you've put it, with rocks. Because they can.

The NBSI rule does have to do with this. As does 4chan, which can easily be compared to your corporation, as a very eclectic gathering of people with plentiful opportunities to do no good. It was an example, a comparison I had thought you would understand.

I do not hate the game. I do not hate the rules. I hate the players, for the reason that in real life, people are accountable individuals, and as such feel a need to be sensible and responsible, instead of merely ruining the environment around them for their own amusement.

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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You must play a different Eve than I do. In my Eve when people aren't using alts as proxies they ARE accountable for their actions and statements. You have a classic case of what I'll term "entitlement syndrome".

Firstly, you state you would consider applying for goonfleet, as if there were open recruitment... there's not and you'd be rejected. This is a common misconception but one I feel a need to clarify.

Secondly, you appear to believe that you should be granted access to space, or that people should let you use their space because otherwise they're not nice? That's simply asinine. If you want space, earn it. That's Eve.

Getting angry at us because you don't make the cut or because you believe you're some manner of royalty who is entitled to resources isn't going to get you anywhere. I can assure you however that putting in the time and effort required to accomplish these things for yourself is its own reward.

Perhaps you should try.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Actually Darius I've got a question that I'm genuinely curious about. (its not really anything to do with the elections per say). And don't feel obliged to answer if its a secret. But how does one become executor of goonfleet, is there a public election inside the Swarm? Is it an inherited thing? Are you chosen by the predecessor? is it a bought thing? Just curious really.

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Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 07/05/2008 17:59:49

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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You must play a different Eve than I do. In my Eve when people aren't using alts as proxies they ARE accountable for their actions and statements. You have a classic case of what I'll term "entitlement syndrome".

Firstly, you state you would consider applying for goonfleet, as if there were open recruitment... there's not and you'd be rejected. This is a common misconception but one I feel a need to clarify.

Secondly, you appear to believe that you should be granted access to space, or that people should let you use their space because otherwise they're not nice? That's simply asinine. If you want space, earn it. That's Eve.

Getting angry at us because you don't make the cut or because you believe you're some manner of royalty who is entitled to resources isn't going to get you anywhere. I can assure you however that putting in the time and effort required to accomplish these things for yourself is its own reward.

Perhaps you should try.

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Now you're just being silly. Since when am I not putting in the effort? What makes you think that I don't 'make the cut'? When have I said that I wish to be considered anything above anyone else? Any other preconceptions you want to make? Are you going to call me a 'stupid stinkyface' too and see if anyone laughs?

I'm not angry. Nor am I talking niceness. People should have the sense to stay out of Red Swarm Federation space in general. But neither am I talking 0.0 specifically. And you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is also suicide ganking and the lack of a 'player policing system' in lowsec, which has been suggested. These issues make it rather hard to overlook you people. Because what I'm talking about is progress. Market values and circulation. Rare items availability. Factory availability. The only major influx I see from you people there is the demand for replacement implants, and most people buy those from LP stores...

And lastly; Think a bit. How hard, as someone unknown or heard of, do you think it would really be to get into Goonfleet?

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Actually Darius I've got a question that I'm genuinely curious about. (its not really anything to do with the elections per say). And don't feel obliged to answer if its a secret. But how does one become executor of goonfleet, is there a public election inside the Swarm? Is it an inherited thing? Are you chosen by the predecessor? is it a bought thing? Just curious really.

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Typically the way it's gone is by way of the fiat of the preceding CEO. I've never chosen anyone to replace me and I imagine the process is different every time. We are no democracy however. I imagine one tries to find the best person for the job and seeks the advice of other goons prior to creating a mandate.

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Your statements left me with the impression that you believed you had a right to access space and that anyone preventing that was being malicious. Re-reading your statements it still appears that way. If you construed anything I said as insulting in anyway I believe you've misinterpreted directness for insult. I certainly didn't call you stupid or anything along those lines.

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Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 07/05/2008 18:27:19

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Your statements left me with the impression that you believed you had a right to access space and that anyone preventing that was being malicious. Re-reading your statements it still appears that way. If you construed anything I said as insulting in anyway I believe you've misinterpreted directness for insult. I certainly didn't call you stupid or anything along those lines.

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Your statements left me with the impression that you were, in a thinly veiled manner, calling me a b*tch. Re-reading your statements it still appears that way.

All I've ever stood for is balancing the game. I, personally, am of the opinion that re-vamping the bounty system and making it possible for players to police lowsec, and also un-nerfing Black Ops ships and Cynos fields, and making stations destructible, is the way to do this. When I argue for this, I mostly think of new players who have not yet acquired a bunch of Recon Cruisers or Battleships, but still want to be able to at least do their corp some good in lowsec and lawless.

Of course you have to play it smart until you can tackle the opposition. But even then, one person can only do so much. And only has so many options...

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That was a tongue in cheek comment.

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To repeat however a statement I've made earlier... territorial conquest in Eve is a contest of wills. Nobody likes losing. By virtue of winning we're making someone else miserable. That's the game's DESIGN.

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Originally by: Sylek

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Edited by: Sylek on 06/05/2008 19:14:45
I wouldn't vote for anyone who

#9: Drives a mini made by BMW

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Originally by: Tamoko

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That was a tongue in cheek comment.

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To repeat however a statement I've made earlier... territorial conquest in Eve is a contest of wills. Nobody likes losing. By virtue of winning we're making someone else miserable. That's the game's DESIGN.

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If that was just it, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and your campaign wouldn't be getting attacked on an hourly basis for accusations regarding the alliance you represent. I seem to recall, personally, a number of goons proclaiming their desire to ruin Eve while performing a coordinated denial of service attack on these very forums. The bottom line is that Goonswarm attracts trouble. And it quite often isn't the kind that gets resolved with antimatter and cruise missiles.
Although you might well be a perfectly intelligent and respectable man, I just can't trust you while you represent Goonswarm. It's unfortunate, really.

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Originally by: Sylek

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I wouldn't vote for anyone who:
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#9: Drives a mini made by BMW

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