Originally by: Jade Constantine

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I consider being loathed and feared by Goumindong to be a positive feather in my electoral cap

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Originally by: Cailais

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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I consider being loathed and feared by Goumindong to be a positive feather in my electoral cap

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Very witty, however Goumindong didnt say at any point that he feared or loathed you but that you are:

"Pushing an in game agenda with no thought to balance the good of the game"

Is he correct in that view, if not why not.

C.

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Vote Goumindong for CSM

Originally by: Cailais

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"Pushing an in game agenda with no thought to balance the good of the game"
Is he correct in that view, if not why not.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Cailais

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"Pushing an in game agenda with no thought to balance the good of the game"
Is he correct in that view, if not why not.

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He is completely incorrect of course, but I'd invite the general eve electorate to have a read of my CSM Manifesto Thread and decide for themselves really. If people like what I have to say and agree with my thoughts on the vision and direction for the game thats good enough for me. I've no time to waste with petty sideswipes at other candidates, they'll be judged by the electorate soon enough.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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There are many players of Eve who don't care for the territorial POS warfare game.

There are many players of Eve who think its wrong that a vast amount of developer effort has gone to promoting this indestructible outpost and POS spamming simulation in 0.0 rather than bringing good new ideas into the game.

There are many players of Eve who want small gang pvp enhanced and supported and enjoy the challenge of small unit tactics and deployment.

These people need a voice too. Thats MY job. And its why I've decided to run.

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Originally by: "Goumindong"

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Originally by: "Jade Constantine"

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Originally by: "Hardin"

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The fact that people are talking about 'terroritorialist' and 'non-territorialist' factions seems pretty premature

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Its a gameplay preference not a roleplay choice. Important distinction there. Some players don't like the territorial mechanics currently dominating 0.0 space warfare. Those players need to be represented on the CSM. Its as simple as that.

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No its not a gameplay preference. Its entirely a roleplay preference. Your ability to enact it in game is entirely dependent on your ability to get a force together in game compared to the ability of others to get forces together to do the opposite.[and since you operate from low-sec you actually don't have to worry about half the things others do]

For a minute, i thought you were actually arguing for things you thought would better the game and not for things that further your ingame persona's agenda.

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Vote Goumindong for CSM

Originally by: Serenity Steele

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Candidates who are incapable of civil, objective or logical debate. I don't fancy spending 3 days locked in a room with people unwilling or incapable of delivering results

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Originally by: Adrian Steel

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Edited by: Adrian Steel on 29/04/2008 00:58:29
Why anyone would vote for Goumindong aside from Goons is beyond reason.

A candidate having no appreciable platform to speak of (as of this post), while being part of a 2000+ player alliance that takes pride in pushing game-breaking meta-gaming tactics to their limit, seems rather disingenuous to me.

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Vote Goumindong for CSM

Originally by: Pooka

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Edited by: Pooka on 29/04/2008 01:08:07
Edited by: Pooka on 29/04/2008 01:06:30
Won't support any one from the Goon hive, Bob, or any one who is pure PVP.

I will vote for those who are for solo play, belive in Empire as fairly safe space and industrailes and the little guys.

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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I won't vote for people with a strong bias, people who (I feel) are from groups that have done EVE a dis service or people who are capable of writing 17 paragraphs without actually saying anything.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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I won't vote for people with a strong bias, people who (I feel) are from groups that have done EVE a dis service or people who are capable of writing 17 paragraphs without actually saying anything.

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Well, i was actually discussing this with Jade recently.

Isn't it better to be biased, than just saying "Vote for me, I'm not biased, and i will listen to everybody"?

To me, it shows to me that a biased person actually knows something, where the non-biased person, doesn't.

Also, according to some people, my whole document about the state of the economy(10 pages or so), said nothing. Also, isn't a good politician a person who can write alot, but say nothing, yet have the listener hear what he wants to hear?

In the end, the CSM has to represent the community. So there is a balance.

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 29/04/2008 09:34:54

Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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I won't vote for people with a strong bias, people who (I feel) are from groups that have done EVE a dis service or people who are capable of writing 17 paragraphs without actually saying anything.

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Well, i was actually discussing this with Jade recently.

Isn't it better to be biased, than just saying "Vote for me, I'm not biased, and i will listen to everybody"?

To me, it shows to me that a biased person actually knows something, where the non-biased person, doesn't.

Also, according to some people, my whole document about the state of the economy(10 pages or so), said nothing. Also, isn't a good politician a person who can write alot, but say nothing, yet have the listener hear what he wants to hear?

In the end, the CSM has to represent the community. So there is a balance.

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I want the CSM to be unbiased as I want them to translate our problems and requests to CCP without any personal agendas, unfiltered. Regardless of playstyle or (possibly) ingame background.

People who write without actualling saying anything will smother any discussion into nothingness, resulting in non-action and never actually getting to the point of a problem. All that adds is static lowering the signal to noise ratio.

I understand the principle or a majority vote but thing is; we're not voting to elect for a group to be in control, we're voting for a comittee to help the powers that be in our name. There's a huge difference in requirements for both types and as I see it, people confuse the CSM with running for elections while having your own agenda and having the power to make decisions.

That's not what the CSM is.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Jade Constantine.

Pushing an in game agenda with no thought to balance the good of the game nor the way in which games are played. He demonstrated that he has no clue about how people operate. This makes him the most dangerous of all the candidates towards the games good health and continuance.

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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There's a difference between filtering out idiotic requests (I want my <insert ship> to have 8-8-8 slots and 99% resists!!!!!) and coloring the problems and requests of the EVE population for your own benefits before pesenting them to CCP.

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Originally by: Tzar'rim

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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 29/04/2008 10:02:37
If the majority of the CSM's are from big space holding alliances then the chances of a request from the playerbase lowering the defensive posiblities and making it easier to attack sovereignity systems will probably be watered down.

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Originally by: The Economist

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As far as I'm concerned the whole point of it is to provide a little transparency to the goings on within CCP and help avoid tinfoil-hattery on the epic scale of several well-known threadnaughts and perceived/imagined issues of the past few years.

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Originally by: The Economist

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Edited by: The Economist on 29/04/2008 10:16:00
I wouldn't vote for any candidate using the CSM as some kind of personal soapbox from which to lobby CCP about their pet peeves with regard to game design and balance.

As far as I'm concerned the whole point of it is to provide a little transparency to the goings on within CCP and help avoid tinfoil-hattery on the epic scale of several well-known threadnaughts and perceived/imagined issues of the past few years. Not to give a select few some kind of direct channel to the devs with which to attempt to influence the direction and design of the game; which from the sounds of some of the candidates' forum utterances, some of them believe is the case.




Edit: just realised that this was directed at csm candidates but meh, I stand by my opinion and hope I'm not alone.

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Originally by: lecrotta

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Edited by: lecrotta on 29/04/2008 11:29:01

Goumindong would be the last person i would want as all his ideas and calls for nerfs involve no real in game experience flying the ships in gangs or in actual combat.

A candidate should have a solid background in the aspects of eve he has opinions on carebears on carebear issues pvpers on pvp issues with even these issues divided into sub groups each with positive and negative proponents.

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Vote Goumindong for CSM

Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: lecrotta

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Goumindong would be the last person i would want as all his ideas and calls for nerfs involve no real in game experience flying the ships in gangs or in actual combat.

A candidate should have a solid background in the aspects of eve he has opinions on carebears on carebear issues pvpers on pvp issues with even these issues divided into sub groups each with positive and negative proponents.

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Please keep the lies and slander to a minumum. I both have ample in game experience in gangs and actual combat.

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Originally by: lecrotta

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As i have said before i do not consider 206 kills and 24 losses over 18 months "real" in game experience considering all the aspects of pvp that you wish to change.

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Vote Goumindong for CSM

Originally by: lecrotta

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Now i am not saying that you are not entitled to an opinion or that on occasion you may be right. But you claim first hand knowledge of problems with the game when your ideas clearly come from others whine's about life and eve not being fair because they lost a few ships or cannot out think or fly a enemy.

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While i understand that a individual can gain some experience in 18 months i find it hard to reconcile the fact that you make claims of experience enough to know that things need changing in all the varied forms of pvp in eve. While your stats clearly show otherwise, and you also point out yourself that your game/play time is a issue in regards to your lack of kills and losses implying that you cannot log in and play much and that also adds to your lack of actual in game experience.

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Vote Goumindong for CSM

Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Well, i was actually discussing this with Jade recently.

Isn't it better to be biased, than just saying "Vote for me, I'm not biased, and i will listen to everybody"?

To me, it shows to me that a biased person actually knows something, where the non-biased person, doesn't.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Also, according to some people, my whole document about the state of the economy(10 pages or so), said nothing. Also, isn't a good politician a person who can write alot, but say nothing, yet have the listener hear what he wants to hear?

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Then of course there is the standard "play time" issue.

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Originally by: Ethaet

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Edited by: Ethaet on 30/04/2008 13:42:55
I would not vote for:
-Any goons
-Members of any large alliance
-Pure pvp players

-Roleplayers (not a definite no but unlikely unless they recognise not everyone wants to roleplay)

-Anyone with little or no campaign information

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