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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:27:00 -
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Okay I'm not going to discuss how they match to other ships, because that is beside the point.
I was doing a little messing around with some fittings in EFT regarding my upcoming new ship ^_^ I thought I'd give the Phobos a try, because I've heard good things about them (mostly).
But there is one thing I find fundamentally wrong with this ship.
It has no drone bay.
It is in fact the ONLY Gallente ship to have no ability to field drones.
I really think this needs to be fixed. Before you all whine about "but it's balanced" realize that there are ways to fix this. Drones are what make Gallente as versatile as they are, and not giving them the opportunity to follow suit along with every other ship out there is something I find hard to swallow.
Sure, it has one missile launcher hardpoint. But so does the Tristan (it even has two!) and it has a drone bay.
40m3 Dronebay, please! (50 would be nice too).
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Koramaur
Gallente Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.29 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Koramaur on 29/04/2008 05:03:47 Edited by: Koramaur on 29/04/2008 05:03:19 It's a Roden ship, so I actually quite understand the lack of drone bay.
What's not understandable is that it's a RODEN ship with no missile hardpoints or bonus to missiles.
Here's the description ON the Phobos...
Quote: Unlike most Gallente ship manufacturers, Roden Shipyards tend to favor missiles over drones and their ships generally possess stronger armor. Their electronics capacity, however, tends to be weaker than ships from their competitors.
Except it doesn't favor missiles over drones.. it favors ALL turret slots on TOP of a bonus to turrets.
Devs just wanted to make it pink I guess...
For the other Roden ships we have the Enyo and the Eris both with a 5m3 drone bays and the Ares, the only other gallente ship without a drone bay.
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PwnzDeLeOwnz
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.29 05:12:00 -
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You can get the drones but you have to give up all highslots.
Deal?
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Jennae
Gallente Unity of Honor
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Posted - 2008.04.29 05:43:00 -
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why bother with the role playing of ship manufacturers. It's a Carbon copy of the deimos. look at the attributes. same armor, shield, cap, recharge, etc.
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nlun
SS Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.29 05:46:00 -
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Edited by: nlun on 29/04/2008 05:48:09 Edited by: nlun on 29/04/2008 05:47:44 a small drone bay for the phobes should be nice, missiles , lets say. 'I like the devs.' (personal statement for hybrids versus missiles) but its a strong point. Making the Rodos shipyard list: Ares can fit 1 launcher. drone cap. 0 Enyo can fit 1 launcher. drone cap. 5 LACHESIS can fit 3 launcher. nice drone cap. 40 Eris can fit 4 launcher, drone cap. 0 Oneiros can't fit launcher. nice drone cap. 50 Phobes can't fit launcher. and a drone cap. 0
In this list the lachesis is the ship that can fit 3 launchers and use 5 drones (40 bandwidth) Only the Oneiros has a drone bonus. (100% armor repair drone bonus)
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.04.29 05:50:00 -
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stop freaking whining, its an amazing ship
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.04.29 06:03:00 -
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phobos is not meant to be a damage dealer... so it doesnt need any drones ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: PwnzDeLeOwnz You can get the drones but you have to give up all highslots.
Deal?
lol, this isn't the Myrmidon all over again.
Also, I didn't realize the Ares or the Eris didn't have a Drone bay. But even still.. the fact that ships are copied and some aspects are changed drastically is sort of wonky.
If ships had more personality, it would bring out reasons for this sort of stuff. But they really don't.
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Katrina Coreli
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:10:00 -
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Would make it far too damned good.
Given that they are roughly balenced atm you are going to have to accept that if you want your 50m3 drone bay its going to have to come at the cost of something else, chances are its something youd much rather you had.
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:14:00 -
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Just assign five fighters to it :)
------ We live in an expanding universe. All of it is trying to get away from Chuck Norris.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:59:00 -
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none of the hics have drone bays....its just not needed for their role.
Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:09:00 -
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What a stupid whine.
Quote: Phobos is not meant to be a damage dealer... so it doesn't need any drones.
That. ^^^
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Segge Bolled
Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:37:00 -
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Damage?
Errr, how about Combat Utility Drones? Electronic Warfare Drones? Logistic Drones, even?
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 29/04/2008 10:00:43
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
It has no drone bay.
It is in fact the ONLY Gallente ship to have no ability to field drones.
Ares. What about you start your whines by getting your facts straight?
To add to that, it's a Roden ship without a single missile launcher, while the launchers are even modeled.
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:03:00 -
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No drone bay for you, Mr. Phobos.
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Valea Silpha
Death Monkey's With Knives Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:13:00 -
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Yeah a drone bay would make the phobos silly good. Well not THAT silly, but it kinda goes against the spirit of the class.
Guns are an optional extra on the Hdictors, especially if you want to fit 1600mm plates or two WDFGs (i know folk who do). Drones are just too damn easy to load into the bay and will always put out the damage/effect they are supposed to.
Oh and gallenete don't need yet another damn drone boat.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:23:00 -
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A dronebay on the Phobos wouldn't matter. Its meant for gatecamping, so the drones would just end up popped. I'd say give it a 25 mbit drone bay, and be happy, because they would only be employed in belts.
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cyt0matrix
Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:07:00 -
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It just feels weird flying around in a gallente cruiser size ship without drones.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/04/2008 11:13:25 Well, heaven forbid I think outside of the box.
I made this fit:
[Phobos, PVP Roaming] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II
10mn MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot]
Nanobot Accelerator I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
CPU: 468.25/468.75 (0.5 free) Grid: 1449/1456.25 (6.25 free)
It has promise. All the resistances are 80%+, and it gets in and does some good, quick damage. Over 1000 volley damage, so it can pop small ships quick, and any cruiser. The DPS is really well rounded - upwards of 300 dps - and it moves quick too. (1400m/s with my skills).
It has an okay tank for a cruiser - 339 active - but it's good for going out roaming and hitting targets of opportunity.
It'd make an awesome solo ship, and I think I may just give this setup a try.
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:14:00 -
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drones arent the issue here IMO, its what has been said, it has missiles modeled to it, but no launcher points. i'd like to see it have 4 launcher slots and no turret slots and give it a missile bonus. This would also benefit in cutting back in cap use as well. But whatever, even it stays as is i'm still getting one.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 29/04/2008 11:24:20
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Warp Disruptor II LOLWUT? [empty high slot] LOLWUT?
Two huge problems right there.
Spare mid is good for ECCM or Sensor Boosting. NOT scramming. Empty highslot is for the Infini point scrammer.
Neutron's are hungy on grid/cpu, you may wish to consider Ion or even Electron depending on skills.
As for a drone bay, I think this ship would become instantly overpowered with a Gallente sized drone bay. They'd have to knock 10% cpu/grid off and probably a highslot too, and then I wouldn't like it as much.
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 29/04/2008 11:13:25 Well, heaven forbid I think outside of the box.
I made this fit:
[Phobos, PVP Roaming] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II
10mn MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot]
Nanobot Accelerator I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
CPU: 468.25/468.75 (0.5 free) Grid: 1449/1456.25 (6.25 free)
It has promise. All the resistances are 80%+, and it gets in and does some good, quick damage. Over 1000 volley damage, so it can pop small ships quick, and any cruiser. The DPS is really well rounded - upwards of 300 dps - and it moves quick too. (1400m/s with my skills).
It has an okay tank for a cruiser - 339 active - but it's good for going out roaming and hitting targets of opportunity.
It'd make an awesome solo ship, and I think I may just give this setup a try.
Just buy a frigging Deimos if thats what you want the ship for.
The whole concept of HIC's is designed around the Hi-Slot Bubble doo-dad. To buy a HIC and then bastardise its fitting into a kind of half arsed HAC wannabe, then not fit the Field Generator and then come to the forums and whine that it's not good enough cos it doesn't have a drone bay is just a whole load of fail.
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Riho phobos is not meant to be a damage dealer... so it doesnt need any drones
Same goes for the Taranis ...
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: bldyannoyed Just buy a frigging Deimos if thats what you want the ship for.
The Deimos doesn't have holysh!t resists though, does it?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:51:00 -
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Here we go.
[Phobos, PVP WDFG] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption
Nanobot Accelerator I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Same idea, different implementation. :P
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.29 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I was doing a little messing around with some fittings in EFT regarding my upcoming new ship ^_^ I thought I'd give the Phobos a try, because I've heard good things about them (mostly).
I really start to hate EFT. Why the hell dont you try the ship and if you think its something wrong come here and whine ?
EFT WARRIORS the new bane of eve.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I was doing a little messing around with some fittings in EFT regarding my upcoming new ship ^_^ I thought I'd give the Phobos a try, because I've heard good things about them (mostly).
I really start to hate EFT. Why the hell dont you try the ship and if you think its something wrong come here and whine ?
EFT WARRIORS the new bane of eve.
Well I like to see what it's capable of. There's nothing wrong with that.
What I will say though is with literally months of time dumped into drones it will feel weird to fly a Gallente cruiser-sized ship without a dronebay.
Straight up. And again, EFT is just showing me what the ship is capable of. Since I have enough experience in EVE, I can use it as a "try before you buy" type deal.
I'm not 2 months old struggling to understand game mechanics.
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.29 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 29/04/2008 12:42:53 Edited by: Wu Jiun on 29/04/2008 12:40:10
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
The Deimos doesn't have holysh!t resists though, does it?
Why would you need them anyway? Granted with the rigs you tank a nice amount of dps (you will permatank most cruisers) but without a plate your ehp stinks. Unless you are receiving remote repairs (which you won't if you're solo or running the wdfg) your resists aren't that important but your overall tank. And in a slugfest deimos vs. your setup my money is on the deimos.
Also you could say phobos doesn't have holysh!t damage and it doesn't have holysh!t ecm drones either, deimos is faster etc. The one real advantage phobos has is the ability to fit mwd, web, injector + goodie and the fact you don't need to care about wcs. Its good to pop small things solo but nothing more.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edit: Also, I am fully aware of the WDFG, but the whole idea of having the Phobos as a gate tackler without infinite point script is sort of compelling to think about. I mean you could practically just tank the gate guns and chew away solo with it, web, scram and tackle. Solo. It's sort of neat.
Now you've completely lost me. I mean wtf? You can do all that with the wdfg and use the 4th mid for nice things like sensor boosters and such. Plus a warp disruptor 2 isn't gonna hold that wcs indy down or the stabbed thorax in belt 6-1 now, is it? That statement doesn't fly at all.
About the drones: no. Simple as that. I mean i'd like to have them on the devoter or boradsword too but ccp chose to make the lack of drones a design factor. Why i do not know probably to further limit their dps. However if one should get a dronebay the others need one too. But be realistic its not gonna happen.
Edit: and yeah your setup barely tanks sentries. with that kind of ehp even a single t1 cruiser can be a deathtrap if you try to pop it under sentries. edit2: okay i've seen the other setup with the wdfg and sb. better but your reasoning from above is still very strange.
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.29 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 29/04/2008 14:42:43 Firstly, to address the OP, I feel your pain and would love for the Phobos to have drones of some sort... even if its just a 25m3 drone bay. But then all the other HIC pilots would probably whine and want drone bays too... meh. Balance issues I guess. and as was said before, it was probably put in to limit their DPS.
Secondly, Originally by: Fifth Horseman Spare mid is good for ECCM or Sensor Boosting. NOT scramming. Empty highslot is for the Infini point scrammer.
there's a lot of hostility against non-conformist ideas about ship fittings... Just because it dosnt use the WDFG doesnt make it a bad setup. All it means is that you dont have an Ifini-point, and If you are looking to just straight up PvP in it instead of ganking haulers or ratters fitting WCS, there really isnt much of a difference in low sec between a T2 Disruptor and WDFG with focus script (aside from slot usage and a little bit of range).
I am also trying to do the same thing with the Phobos, Siigari - Make it into a low sec solo hunter, just for kicks. The main reason to use the Phobos vs the Deimos is because of the Mid slot utility. On a Blaster baot, MWD + Scram + Web is especialy required, and that happens to take up all 3 of the Deimos mids. A Phobos will still have 1-2 spare mid slots to mess around with... as well as a sexy resist bonus.
Currently I just started using this setup. I am trying not to encumber it with armor rigs and plates - I want it relativly fast moving(Note: needs a 3% CPU Implant):
[Phobos, Satyr]- 430 DPS (My skills+Implants), Average resist: 86.1, Lowest Resist: [email protected], Top Speed w/ MWD: 1599m/s Highs: Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption 5x Heavy Ion Blaster II, Navy AM
Mids: 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, (400s) UTILITY MIDSLOT - (Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM for belt work -OR- Sensor Booster II w/ Scan Res Script if working on the gate)
Lows: Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 2x EANM II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Rigs: Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
I was also thinking about swapping out the utility midslot for a Warp disruptor II, and getting rid of the WDFG for an offlined large smartbomb to act as a heatsink so I could overheat the guns a lot longer (putting me at about 500 DPS) ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:36:00 -
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Arkios, that's almost an identical setup to what I had, only you are leaning towards the gank spectrum rather than the tank.
I was considering rigging MFS but couldn't afford the grid. Though the Phobos has copious amounts of grid, the fitting I threw together was way too tight.
But opening it up with some of these ideas is not restrictive. I have always enjoyed playing with unique setups that go against the popular style, and for the most part they have been either highly entertaining or very good. Occasionally one or two have fallen below expectations, but that's all a part of the learning experience. :)
Thanks for your reply :)
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