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Janos Zebratul
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Posted - 2004.04.26 18:25:00 -
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I've read through the boards and found that almost everybody with an ati has problems with the game, so i'm no exception. I Have a radeon 9600 XT and my system (not the game, the whole system) keeps crashing when i play EVE. I've tried disabling/enabling fast writes, it's the same. I've tried every driver version from 3.9 to 4.4 and they're all the same. I've tried underclocking the card, it's the same. So i think I ran out of options. Please address this in a future patch, or somebody who got some ideas how to solve this, help would be appreciated.
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Vane Ekhart
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Posted - 2004.04.26 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Janos Zebratul I've read through the boards and found that almost everybody with an ati has problems with the game, so i'm no exception. I Have a radeon 9600 XT and my system (not the game, the whole system) keeps crashing when i play EVE. I've tried disabling/enabling fast writes, it's the same. I've tried every driver version from 3.9 to 4.4 and they're all the same. I've tried underclocking the card, it's the same. So i think I ran out of options. Please address this in a future patch, or somebody who got some ideas how to solve this, help would be appreciated.
Agreed. I've decided I'm upgrading my card anyway to an nvidia. I've read reports of Radeon trouble in other games. The industry needs to sort it out. ________________________________________________ Vane Ekhart
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Janos Zebratul
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Posted - 2004.04.26 18:52:00 -
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Nah my radeon works wonderful in every other game i tried(and it's been a big bunch of them), i like it. I don't know if it's an ATi problem or a CCP problem, but would someone fix this? ___________________ we have explosive. |
Aerdt
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Posted - 2004.04.26 19:23:00 -
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I have an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and I have had a lot of trouble with games, random crashes... and with Eve. I got Eve to work with the 4.1 drivers, but my character is bald and naked. Occasionally, Eve just crashes to the desktop. It is the drivers, not CCP. I personally consider switching to nVidia, too. ATI drivers have been traditionally bad. I have tried every driver from 4.1 to 4.4 and all yield different results and crashes. I even used the ATI uninstaller and manually wiped the reg entries and lost driver fragments. And, yes, I know what I am doing.
It is not the AGP mainboard driver, it is not DirectX and it is not CCP. It is the ATI driver.
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Janos Zebratul
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Posted - 2004.04.26 19:48:00 -
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I have to admit that nvidia driver support is exceptionally good (I've had 2 nvidia cards), but if a person buys an ATi, works in every other game AND has better results than a similar nvidia card and crashes in this particular game, i think it's not enough of a reason for an exchange. Even financially, that is out of the question for me. I'm not saying that CCP is the source of theproblem, but they should warn ATi about the issues (i think that with the amount of reports they're having, they already did that or will do soon).
In the meantime, we just stay the sa...(unfinished because of crash and consequent reboot) ___________________ we have explosive. |
Rikon
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Posted - 2004.04.26 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rikon on 26/04/2004 19:57:59 I am using a 9800 Pro with 4.4 Catalyst drivers, so far I have seen no problems with it at all.
I actually had more graphics problems using my Nvidia 5900 Ultra (missing billboards, market freezing etc).
I remember though when I first put these new cards in I used to get random reboots and crashes (with both the ATI and Nvidia cards). After getting the nvidia card, because I thought that the ATI card was the problem, and the nvidia did the same. I changed my generic power supply that came in the case to a good quality high output one (antec).
I have never had a crash since. These newer cards do draw a lot of power, especially while working in 3D games.
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Nephilims Eyes
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:58:00 -
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I had no problems til after the hardware upgrade (I am guessing they re-initialized the patch that caused problems in the hardware after they upgraded it.) I was getting an occasional crash to Desktop, but mostly it just turns off my computer. No blue screen of death, it just shuts off as if the power was cut or something. Someone said reinstall, so I get the latest drivers instead and install them, and now, it is doing it even more! I have been turned off 4 times in the last 20 minutes... I don't see how I am suppost to play like this.
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Chimera Ur
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Posted - 2004.04.27 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Janos Zebratul I've read through the boards and found that almost everybody with an ati has problems with the game, so i'm no exception.
No, not 'almost everybody'. Besides, 'random crashes' is very ofter just a heat or voltage problem, not a problem with drivers or a particular piece of hardware.
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Ernie000
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:03:00 -
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I have ATi 9600XT 128 MB RAM (fireblade, faster DDR RAM). And I too have suffered from several crash to desktops, and total system freezes that need a power off and reboot.
My Solution - Memtest86 - it found I had a bad stick of memory. New memory still didn't stop Eve crashing/freezing the whole system.
Solution 2 - BIOS Config: (a) Reduce RAM timings to slowest settings. (b) Turn off Fast Writes. (c) Video RAM Cacheable - Disabled (previously Enabled).
Solution 2 has solved the problem and my system is totally stable. I've not had a crash in over a week.
Windowed Mode: I run Eve in windowed mode, it seems to be more stable, and it allows me to Alt-Tab between Eve and my Evenotes/spreadsheets (market, bpc, mins etc).
System: Windows 2000 SP 4 and all fixes, DirectX latest (9b), OpenGL latest, ATi 9600XT and drivers from 3.9-4.4 all work now, AMD Athlon 1600XP, 512 MB RAM PC133 SDRAM, Abit KT7A-RAID (not in RAID setup), VIA Hyperion 4-in-1 drivers latest.
VIA Hardware Monitor: Vcore 1.75v 3.3v = 3.40 5v = 4.86 12V = 12.07
CPU Temp 48'C System Temp 27'C
My system is not overclocked.
Eve is very RAM hungry, it needs about 200MB of RAM on my system using Task Manager to monitor it.
I hope this helps some of you with improving your system stability so it can run Eve. No other games seem to cause crashes like Eve does.
(this is the same reply I've posted on similar questions about ati gfx and making eve stable)
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Shocky on 27/04/2004 13:34:47 I'm using a R9800 Pro and have had no crashes at all. Only visual problem I have is the z-buffer errors on stations but i'd imagine you get that on any card. I found eve to be quite sensitive to overclocks so if your system isnt 100% stable you might have problems.
Visual problems might be ATI related but crashes are a system problem which you need to resolve.
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Janos Zebratul
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Posted - 2004.04.27 14:45:00 -
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i solved my z-buffer problems by adding advancedDevice=1 to prefs.ini, it also allows you to change multisampling and stencil buffer options. ___________________ we have explosive. |
Shocky
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Janos Zebratul i solved my z-buffer problems by adding advancedDevice=1 to prefs.ini, it also allows you to change multisampling and stencil buffer options.
Yep, I know but some of the textures flicker a little now. Not sure whats responsibile for that.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Xrak on 28/04/2004 07:49:03 The real problem is that no-one really seems to know what the problem is.
The ATI VPU bug is obviously a Catalyst problem. But if you are just gettin random crashs and restarts it could be many differnet things. Like someone said the high end graphics cards can be very power hungery and with any computer part if it doesn't get all the power it needs it will result in a crash or restart. Just because you have enough power connections doesnt always mean you have enough power.
Also overclocking can permanently damage your CPU graphics card RAM etc. Even after putting the setting back to normal it may still be unstable.
RAM is often a problem so make sure you check all of it if you are having problems.
Your computer can become unstable if it gets too hot, this isnt normally a problem.
If you need help in the future try to be specific about the problem rather then just saying there are problems.
Xrak
And I have a R9000 Pro 128mb card and have never had any problems apart from the VPU bug and the occasional baldness. (Which only affects some 9600's and below). Ive never had eve crash or had eve make windows crash. Maybe its because i have a Gigabyte 128mb card whereas I think that most 9000's (pro or not) are 64mb maybe this is causing more problems? obviously it is something to do with DX9 since it is nearly all the DX8 cards that have problems but not the high end DX9 cards.
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Aerdt
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Posted - 2004.04.27 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aerdt on 27/04/2004 17:34:58
Originally by: Xrak
If you need help in the future try to be specific about the problem rather then just saying there are problems.
Xrak
Noone can deny that there are problems. Look at the thread about the bald characters, which appears to be a problem with some older ATI Radeon cards.
Also the Catalyst 4.2-4.3 drivers do not seem to work well with ATI cards prior to the 9600 series. I am not overclocking and my BIOS settings are either default or moderate at best. Rolling back to the 4.1 drivers enabled me at least to play and not crash before displaying the EULA, but Eve crashes to the desktop occasionally.
I have played another beta (Soldner) that has the exact same problems while loading with those ATI cards. We all don't know what causes this, but we do know that there is a problem with ATI cards, not the BIOS, not the OS, not the RAM, but the card, because that is what we have all in common.
Xrak, if you have a ATI 9000 Pro and no problems (not even the baldness?), please enlighten us how you fixed the problem. What drivers are you using? OS? Hotfixes? BIOS settings? Mainboard? Did you ever have to roll back drivers?
...just trying to find a fix for us here.
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Atog Uth'Matar
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Posted - 2004.04.27 20:13:00 -
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm running a ATI Radeon 9000 PRO 128mb DDR and everytime I turn on SmoothVision, which is ATI's FSAA, about 5 minutes into the game EVE will restart my computer. If this is happening to you as well just disable SmoothVision (FSAA), which sucks I know, because you'll get the jagged lines again, but unfortunely it's the only way around the problem that I know of. If anyone knows how to fix this PLEASE PLEASE post a solution. Thank you. Although we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been associated with long delays. |
Xrak
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:49:00 -
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^^^^^ edited
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CRUSH BOSS
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: CRUSH BOSS on 28/04/2004 11:37:41 OK here is, From the TOP to the BOTTOM. Every Detail. THIS SYSTEM RUNS EVE 1600X1200 6XAA and 12XANASO. ON a 21" SONY FLAT. NO CRASHES: LONGEST UPTIME IS 18 HOURS.. NO CRASHES... FFS PEOPLE STOP BASHING THE ATI CARDS or at least the 9700 ,9800 PRO and XTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE THIS MACHINE RUNS ITS ASS OVERCLOCKED TO THE MAX.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.. : =END OF RANT=
My Gaming machine as follows:
Case : Antec LAN-BOY Water Cooler : HydroCool 200 (CORSAIR) Water Blocks : CPU : {Zalman} : CHIPSET : {Zalman} : GPU : {Corsair CPU 200 Watt CPU BLOCK} Temps : CPU 36c @ 100%load : GPU 34c @ 100%load : CHIPSET "nominal" to water temp : Water Temp 50% Fan Speed @ Full water flow : 31-34c
Machine SPECS:
CPU : 3000+ Athlon (stock) 2165.Actual MHZ Speed with 333.FSB 166X2 3000+ Athlon (Over-Clocked Water Cooled) CPU Opertaing Speed 2600 External Clock 200MHZ @ 400mhz (200x2) Multiplier X 13 Core Voltage 1.9 v
Ram : 2 x 512 433DDR Corsair cas2 XMS Twin (Matched) :Row Active Delya 11 (Works Faster Here than lower values-Nvidia N-force 2 Issue) :Ras to Cas delay 2 :Row Precharge Delay 2 :Cas Latency Time 2.0
Graphics : SAPHIRE Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MEG DDR : Stock CPU 379 MHZ : Stock RAM 337.5 x 2 = 675 MHZ : Water Cooled CPU @ 485MHZ : Stock Ram (No SINKS) = 370 x 2 @ = 740 MHZ
Mother Board : Abit NF7s Version 2 (N-force 2 Chipset V2.0 333- Water cooled to 400)-WIth Serial ATA 150 RAID Sound : NForce 2 5.1 Surround with Dolby out Coaxial and Optical Hard Drives : 3 x 80 GIG Western Digital 7200 rpm 8meg Cache. HD - 0 - XP install Boot Drive HD - 1&2 Serial ATA in Stripe RAID with 32k Bit SIZE = 154 GIG Single @ 76 MBS Burst- 71 Sustained.
System Stabillity : PRIME 95 (CPU BURN) 22 Hours with out CRASH. : 3Dmark 2003 20 Hours without Crash. : 3Dmark 2003 Score 7028 (Highest achived with out Crash after 5 passes) @ Standard Defauilt Test Settings.
Broad Band : T1 : 1.5meg (Home). Board Band : GamePoint -{BosS}- Clan Server .10meg TX/RX ( 203.31.212.20) BFDC/AAOL - JO(Hopefully) Server Owners & Admin : =Crush=-{BosS}- , =Anach=-{BosS}- FORUMS : http://hudson.optikal.net/tpf/
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Praetor Calisie
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Posted - 2004.05.04 10:59:00 -
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Well, that last post was useful... I'm tempted to post a pic of my immense genetalia but decided to stay on topic instead.
Anyway,
I'm running a Radeon 9600XT. No crashes (well sometimes if I'm alt-tabbing and docking at the same time)
The textures are spotty and swimmy. Turned on the FSAAx4 and Anisotropic filtering and it now looks lovely except for the swimming textures. I'll try the advancedCard=1 thing tonight, hopefully that'll fix it.
The swimming textures is a little bit of a pain, but not the end of the world.
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Efnita
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Posted - 2004.05.04 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nephilims Eyes I had no problems til after the hardware upgrade (I am guessing they re-initialized the patch that caused problems in the hardware after they upgraded it.) I was getting an occasional crash to Desktop, but mostly it just turns off my computer. No blue screen of death, it just shuts off as if the power was cut or something. Someone said reinstall, so I get the latest drivers instead and install them, and now, it is doing it even more! I have been turned off 4 times in the last 20 minutes... I don't see how I am suppost to play like this.
You could be sitting behind my computer, i have the exact same problem since their hardware upgrade. Sent a mail to techsupport but no reply and it has been a while back. I would appreciate it if someone looked into this problem since atm I cannot play... never experienced problems like this with any other mpporgs i played EQ AO EnB ...
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Efnita
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Posted - 2004.05.04 17:00:00 -
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can a moderator remove those pictures
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CRUSH BOSS
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Posted - 2004.05.05 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Praetor Calisie Well, that last post was useful... I'm tempted to post a pic of my immense genetalia but decided to stay on topic instead.
TISK TISK.. Arnt we a little *****. The spec read out shows that EVE runs Fine with a "GOOD" machine that is "INSTALLED" properly and extreeeeemly "OVERCLOCKED". with "4.3 and 4.4 DRIVERS" That is what that post is about. Maybe ATI isnt the problem after all.! Tech III {Prototype, Interceptor Main Engine Test} Video
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Nomaar
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:32:00 -
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I think the swimming textures is a client problem. I get the same thing with my GeForce FX 5900 Ultra. It's mostly visible on stations with a lot of little lighted windows, making it look like the windows are twinkling ... but otherwise the game runs pretty fine.
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Ernie000
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Posted - 2004.05.05 18:22:00 -
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Crush, are your speakers big enough? I think they need to be bigger. And you need some more of them. ;-)
Are they that big to drown out the sound of the cooling or is that Exreme water cooler quiet?
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CRUSH BOSS
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Posted - 2004.05.11 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ernie000 Crush, are your speakers big enough? I think they need to be bigger. And you need some more of them. ;-)
Are they that big to drown out the sound of the cooling or is that Exreme water cooler quiet?
"Dont play the game ,LIVE IT" :) The Cooling is EXTREEEEEMLY quiet, that is the Best thing about water cooling. When we set up lan the 24 port switch makes more noise than the water coling system. Water cooling is the way to go.!! :)
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