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Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.01 02:23:00 - [1] Blood, violence, and sycophantic revelry. Such are the signs of our time when Sani Sabik run amok in capsuleer society. Who else could indulge in such heresy if not the capsuleer pilot with an excess of time and ISK? Certainly not the everyday masses of Amarr, not the faithful citizens and common folk who fill the cathedrals by day and grace the night with whispered and humble prayers. No, it takes a special person to indulge in such delicacies of the flesh, not that I haven't taken liberty myself, but to embrace Sani Sabik is just something even a "race traitor" like myself couldn't ever possibly do. Yet, for all my differences with commonly held Church doctrine, one thing remains true: My devotion to prayer, humility, the downtrodden, and to God. With such pomp and circumstance about this newest strain of capsuleer excess it may be difficult to remain faithful to anything. In fact, I spoke with a pilot yesterday (under condition of anonymity of course) who indicated she had traversed the gamut between Amarr faith, to Sani Sabik debauchery, to Sansha brainwashing, the excesses of piracy, only to return to that which shall always shine true in a world where indulgence is the norm: God. There is no replacement for faith. No amount of ISK, blood, flesh, or violence can fill a God sized void in the heart of a capsuleer who in the end is only human. Let us reflect on this as the Sani Sabik, the Sansha, and the other distasteful elements of capsuleer society parade before our discriminating eyes. Let us pray. -Arx Matari-
Bacchanalian Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.01 02:32:00 - [2] While you're busy praying I'll keep on with blowin up Sani Sabik ships in space and collecting their corpses. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.01 06:04:00 - [3] Well, it shouldn't really come as any surprise that many capsuleers would gravitate towards a faith that offers answers and validation of a kind, specifically one that places such a high value on individual power. I'm quite sure most of those pilots would disagree with you that they are "only human," Ms. Shiaari-- as would I, actually, but that's perhaps not very much to the point. I'd hesitate to suggest that God is the solution to this, if only because the Sani Sabik and the Amarr faith exist in such a state of queasy symbiosis-- both arise from the same essential worldview, both focus upon hierarchy and entitlement, both are quintessentially Amarr, and both will probably take serious offense to me pointing this out. I'd go so far as to suggest that the two are two sides of the same theological/occultist coin. Ms. Shiaari ... I do not believe in your God, though I recognize His importance to you and to your culture. Actually, I'm quite impressed that you continue to believe despite the company you keep; it speaks well of you. While you may consider my lack of faith to be one more sign of the faithlessness of the "less tasteful" parts of capsuleer society, I'd point you to Kohiko Sun, another member of Electus Matari, who's probably a better Achur than I am. Faith need not be in your God to be faith, Ms. Shiaari. If we are to shed the somewhat limited beliefs of the Sani Sabik, it might be preferable to do more than simply flip the coin of faith to its other side.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Aria Jenneth I'd point you to Kohiko Sun... Oh, Kohiko and I are quite good friends. We share tea daily. ...Though I still can't find any ducks to feed...
Kohiko Sun Caldari Rising Sun Mining Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:57:00 - [5] Pilot Shiaari, One important matter to remember is that the IGS is not the whole of pilots. Too often, it is simply a place of selfish egos. I would suggest listening again to the various subjects here that trouble your mind, and you will see this pattern: "I have done or said things. Chastise me; admonish me to validate my existence." "I have done or said things. Praise me; speak well of me to reward my existence." Something or someone with true strength of self and unity has no need for this. It is far too common for those who claim their philosophy is greater to come here and declare it an absolute truth - for some, it amazes me that others of certain "strength" ideals allow these "weaklings" to exist within their group. And, do not worry. We will find some ducks. Until then, you know where to find me. I extend this offer to Pilot Jenneth, as well; please, contact me ship-to-ship some time. This is where I found my sig.
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil BLOOD EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.01 15:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Shiaari Blood, violence, and sycophantic revelry. Anothe thread on respect to actual Sani Sabik dealings, I must admit it's getting hard to keep track but so it is with an event of such sucess. Let me give you something though, the way you start this one, makes me excited already. Let's proceed. Originally by: Shiaari Such are the signs of our time when Sani Sabik run amok in capsuleer society. Who else could indulge in such heresy if not the capsuleer pilot with an excess of time and ISK? Certainly not the everyday masses of Amarr, not the faithful citizens and common folk who fill the cathedrals by day and grace the night with whispered and humble prayers. Praised be! It's clear that the Sani Sabik Faith now with it's prominent representants constantly on the official news, blood raiders, as Miss Ju'wien, Cyshade, the return of another prominent elder as Miss Nosferatu, the Gladiator Games re-opened from ancient rituals of Sani Sabik with major attendance from most known personalities and alliances around the cluster, Midna sucess with her hits.... Yes The Sani Sabik has risen to reclaim it's rightfull place hidding nothing but displaying the truth of what life is and can be for pod-pilots that finally breaks down the chains of common self-pittifull society and discover their true potential as rules or the universe. While chapels gets emptier each passing day, we Sani Sabik rejoices opening a Temple with same speed. Our nightclubs and bars bumps with the excitment of beauty, free will, fame, isk and not even a drop of the boring lamentations of misguided paupers and sheeps is heard. Yes, to be a Sani Sabik is definately not something to the masses who fights for their bread in front of amarrian churches , in their knees, crying for their misery and revealing praises to their God because the plate of soup. No, this is nothing of us! Originally by: Shiaari No, it takes a special person to indulge in such delicacies of the flesh... It takes a person of free will, independency, strengh to face the universe and harvester all pleasures it can offer with no fear of judgement or retaliation! Total freedom to look into anyone's eyes and say I do what I do because I have conquested this right. It takes a special person to forsake any veil of cowardice to blame God or praise it for their sucess or failures. It takes someone that can rise on their own and look at the Universe to say . It's me and my life is my own with all it's good and bad parts. Rejoice for the Time of Sani Sabik is the time where divinity is made flesh. So it is. Signed Lady Neferis EvE-roleplayers
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Shiaari Blood, violence, and sycophantic revelry. Such are the signs of our time when Sani Sabik run amok in capsuleer society. Who else could indulge in such heresy if not the capsuleer pilot with an excess of time and ISK? Certainly not the everyday masses of Amarr, not the faithful citizens and common folk who fill the cathedrals by day and grace the night with whispered and humble prayers. No, it takes a special person to indulge in such delicacies of the flesh, not that I haven't taken liberty myself, but to embrace Sani Sabik is just something even a "race traitor" like myself couldn't ever possibly do. Yet, for all my differences with commonly held Church doctrine, one thing remains true: My devotion to prayer, humility, the downtrodden, and to God. With such pomp and circumstance about this newest strain of capsuleer excess it may be difficult to remain faithful to anything. In fact, I spoke with a pilot yesterday (under condition of anonymity of course) who indicated she had traversed the gamut between Amarr faith, to Sani Sabik debauchery, to Sansha brainwashing, the excesses of piracy, only to return to that which shall always shine true in a world where indulgence is the norm: God. There is no replacement for faith. No amount of ISK, blood, flesh, or violence can fill a God sized void in the heart of a capsuleer who in the end is only human. Let us reflect on this as the Sani Sabik, the Sansha, and the other distasteful elements of capsuleer society parade before our discriminating eyes. Let us pray. -Arx Matari- A refreshing stance from an Electus Matari member especially Re-Awakened who normally hold their isk so dear. Perhaps there is some hope for you yet Shiaari, if you could free yourself from the greedy grasp of your CEO that is. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.01 20:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Aria Jenneth I'd hesitate to suggest that God is the solution to this, if only because the Sani Sabik and the Amarr faith exist in such a state of queasy symbiosis-- both arise from the same essential worldview, both focus upon hierarchy and entitlement, both are quintessentially Amarr, and both will probably take serious offense to me pointing this out. I'd go so far as to suggest that the two are two sides of the same theological/occultist coin. I don't take serious offence on you pointing out the Sani Sabik and the Amarr have the same origin. Afterall, the Sani Sabik have their roots in the Amarr Empire, a lot of high ranking Amarrian officials are secretly Sani Sabik even to this day. The Apocrypha, which we hold deer, is historically part of the Amarrian Bible. We remember our history and origins, it is needed to claim what is rightfully ours.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.01 20:17:00 - [9] Dear simple Aria, Sani Sabik appears to be older than New Eden. This is the reason for the similarities between the Amarr and their belief system and Sani Sabik. Sani Sabik is just the current incarnation of a set group of beliefs that have dominated the minds of humanity since long before the gate to New Eden appeared and closed. Even when Athra was first being colonised by the reformists who later became the Amarr, Sani Sabik was already insinuated in their ranks and similarly among other peoples of what became New Eden. The thing is, that you simply see Sani Sabik as a group of hedonistic, ritualistic, blood-letting powermongers, united in a faith that emerged from the ruling elite of the Amarr theocracy and burgoise. What you fail to recognise is that Sani Sabik isn't a religeous group, but a collection of beliefs that many follow even outside of pod-pilot social cliques and the dark recesses of Covenant and other cult temples. Perhaps, instead of using your version of logic as a weapon against those who don't see eye-to-eye with your incessant prostration to the Cartel in a vain attempt to find escape and reasoning in your life, you could give me a bell some time and we'll have tea and discuss the finer points of Sani Sabik and its relation to pod-pilots and humanity as a whole. In the meantime, do fly safe, dear Aria. Personal Library
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.01 20:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu We remember our history and origins, it is needed to claim what is rightfully ours. We are Amarrian, and it is we who carry out God's will. You are a foolish Minmatar who follows a false religion--do not presume you can worm your way into our traditions and claim yourself to be one of us. You'll never be one of us.

Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.01 23:30:00 - [11] Meb, dear, I'm afraid you misread my understanding a little. For one thing, I don't presume to know the full history of the Sani Sabik. For another, I'm quite aware that Sani Sabik cults come in a lovely range of shades, and, while I'm not certain of the accuracy of your claims about the age of such beliefs, it seems entirely possible and, forgive me, says nothing whatever about their validity or accuracy-- only their persistent appeal. What I see the Sani Sabik as is not so much power-mongers as people who hold power itself to be sacred, this seemingly being the common thread that ties all the cults into a whole recognizable under a single name. Hence my feeling that this is all the Sani Sabik really have to offer: that power is important. And of course you're quite right, as far as that goes. It's in the rest-- virtually all the rest-- that you (collectively and personally) and I differ. As an aside, I'm trying to think how I've been "prostrating myself" to the Cartel. I serve the Angels in the role of a mercenary pilot, and fully expect to be rewarded so long as I serve ably and loyally. It is a business relationship, one I expect to profit me, and many others, very well in the long run. I aid the Angels in their business. You aid the Guristas in theirs. Both of us, as far as I understand it, are free to practice our beliefs as we see fit. I'm not sure I see how I prostrate myself more than you do. PRETA is now recruiting!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.01 23:42:00 - [12] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 01/05/2008 23:41:48 Originally by: Avel Kereka We are Amarrian, and it is we who carry out God's will. You are a foolish Minmatar who follows a false religion--do not presume you can worm your way into our traditions and claim yourself to be one of us. You'll never be one of us. "MY VERIFIABLY FALSE RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOUR VERIFIABLY FALSE RELIGION!" ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:03:00 - [13] ... Mr. Ixiris ... Point of curiosity, as I've never been very clear on this: how exactly is the Amarrian faith, or, for that matter, that of the Sani Sabik, verifiably false? I mean, of course I don't believe a word of it, but then I'm a heathen Achur, so of course I wouldn't. Also, I naturally see my own faith as, if not provable, at least solidly grounded in reality, which as far as I'm concerned theirs isn't. But even with all that said, I certainly can't prove their faith invalid. Would you be so good as to explain how one accomplishes this? PRETA is now recruiting!
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.02 00:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Kohiko Sun I would suggest listening again to the various subjects here that trouble your mind, and you will see this pattern: "I have done or said things. Chastise me; admonish me to validate my existence." "I have done or said things. Praise me; speak well of me to reward my existence." Something or someone with true strength of self and unity has no need for this. Nice, Its about time someone pared Aria's little rants into properly readable tidbits. Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.05.02 02:51:00 - [15] Or better still, Mr Ixiris, demonstrate the proof that it's false to us? I'm never against witnessing a little intellectual excercise and would be grateful to see it with my own eyes.
Red Katherine Delictum 23216	Posted - 2008.05.02 03:28:00 - [16] Hello, and welcome back to your favorite game show: Identify That Obnoxious Loudmouthed Federation Busybody! And now for ten points, please find the out-of-place phrase in the following quote from our good friend Nicoletta Mithra. Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra Or better still, Mr Ixiris, demonstrate the proof that it's false to us? I'm never against witnessing a little intellectual exercise and would be grateful to see it with my own eyes. Is it: A) Mr. Ixiris B) demonstrate a proof C) a little intellectual exercise DING DING DING That's right, sister! The correct answer is "A"! You can redeem your points at any one of the growing number of Imperial outposts in Providence, or at our new locations in scenic Derelik. Thanks for playing, and remember, if he looks like a used-frigate salesman and sounds like a politician, it's probably a "friendly fed".
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.02 03:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 01/05/2008 23:41:48 Originally by: Avel Kereka We are Amarrian, and it is we who carry out God's will. You are a foolish Minmatar who follows a false religion--do not presume you can worm your way into our traditions and claim yourself to be one of us. You'll never be one of us. "MY VERIFIABLY FALSE RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOUR VERIFIABLY FALSE RELIGION!" Someone who has a large part of their brain removed (or sedated) may lead a blissful existence in a special care institution. Does that mean we should all give up our God-given intelligence and do just that, in pursuit of a joyous life? That is what your religion of individualistic materialism is; it reduces mankind to its lowest common denominator, until we're all a bunch of hedonists who don't believe in anything but our selfish desires. Your "white-hot" economy belies a sick society dominated by corrupt minds. You laugh and sneer and engage in all sorts of perversities, believing that your society is the answer, the perfect system in which just about everyone is happy. You've been "civilized" for so long you've forgotten what real life is, what it is like to have a predator breathing down your neck. Gallente prop themselves up with cushions and turn the other cheek when the Syndicate or Serpentis score a major victory, too high and too reliant on drones to do anything else. Have you forgotten that mankind--regardless of race--grew great through faith, and loyalty to their own kind? Why do you think we have bloodlines today? Why do you think a majority of Gallente--True Gallente--voted for Blaque? No, dear Ixiris, it is your religion that is demonstrably false.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.02 04:24:00 - [18] Mr. Damordred ... . . . That ... hurt. Rather a lot. I ... wonder if that means it's true. ... I'm so very sorry ... ... excuse me.
Trent Valtine Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.05.02 14:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Avel Kereka Someone who has a large part of their brain removed (or sedated) may lead a blissful existence in a special care institution. Does that mean we should all give up our God-given intelligence and do just that, in pursuit of a joyous life? That is what your religion of individualistic materialism is; it reduces mankind to its lowest common denominator, until we're all a bunch of hedonists who don't believe in anything but our selfish desires. Your "white-hot" economy belies a sick society dominated by corrupt minds. You laugh and sneer and engage in all sorts of perversities, believing that your society is the answer, the perfect system in which just about everyone is happy. You've been "civilized" for so long you've forgotten what real life is, what it is like to have a predator breathing down your neck. Gallente prop themselves up with cushions and turn the other cheek when the Syndicate or Serpentis score a major victory, too high and too reliant on drones to do anything else. Have you forgotten that mankind--regardless of race--grew great through faith, and loyalty to their own kind? Why do you think we have bloodlines today? Why do you think a majority of Gallente--True Gallente--voted for Blaque? No, dear Ixiris, it is your religion that is demonstrably false. As much as I dislike defending the loudest mouth in the Federation... Captain Ixiris, as far as I can tell, doesn't have a religion. Any comparison between religion and the prevalent political philosophy the Federation tends to operate by is tenuous at best. We're not bound to this philosophy, and it is certainly not the only philosophy out there. We can even pick and choose what parts of the philosophy we like and discard those we don't. And, while following a philosophy, we can still follow a completely separate religion, such as Achur or Intaki spirituality, or Sani Sabik, or even a somewhat watered down version of your own religion if we so choose. It is also a rather stupid argument that all of us in the Federation are somehow removing or sedating parts of our brains so that we can live in mindless bliss. With a booming economy, it's pretty easy to see that the peoples of the Federation are hard workers. With our advances in technology, it is also easy to see that our brains are fully functioning. Yes, we have a substantial amount of automated systems and drone technology used in our ships. This somehow qualifies us as a pack of lobodomized idiots? We've come up with ways to fight without losing human lives, which should be a goal of any civilized society. We'd rather not throw our people into a meat grinder. There are more productive things that they can be doing other than getting blown to bits. Though, of course, neither does your society. The Amarr rather throw some other, "inferior" race into the meat grinder. I can certainly tell you that the mine workers of the Cistuvaert system have not forgotten what "real life" is. I don't come from some cushy ivory tower, I come from a backwater, poorly terraformed planet where most of the economy was geared around hauling a finite resource out of the dirt. So don't pretend to tell me what real life is, don't pretend to tell me that you even know what it is. Have you ever worked a day in your empire's wheat fields or mines? How many servants were in your household growing up? The idea of a True Amarr telling me about the "hard life" is laughable. I don't pretend that the Federation is the perfect system. It's not. It has it's problems. There are plenty of improvements to be made, but they can be and will be made. Our system is not a stagnant, lumbering sloth like yours. We can make any improvements that we need to. We may not be a perfect society, but we doing pretty well for ourselves. The Federation will have its ups and downs, but freedom and democracy will never die.
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.02 15:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Mr. Damordred ... . . . That ... hurt. Rather a lot. I ... wonder if that means it's true. ... I'm so very sorry ... ... excuse me. Unfortunately for Mr. Damordred he failed to understand the context of Kohiko's statement: it had nothing to do with you, my dear, rather things Kohiko and I have discussed at length in private. Originally by: Kohiko Sun "I have done or said things. Chastise me; admonish me to validate my existence." "I have done or said things. Praise me; speak well of me to reward my existence." Had nothing to do with you, and Damordred is simply mistaken.

Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:45:00 - [21] Just because it wasn't intended to apply to Ms Jenneth, it doesn't follow that it doesn't have to do something with her. So, Damordred may very well have stated the truth. The only able to tell if he has or not, it seems to me, is Ms Jenneth herself.
Kohiko Sun Caldari Rising Sun Mining Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:57:00 - [22] Kohiko turns her head to look over to the holo-feed from behind her desk. In the background is the faint sound of a newsfeed related to the troubles in the State. Her voice sounds tired. Pilot Mithra is correct, sama. I consider the use of my words in this way to be low form. However, the relevance of the statement is for Pilot Jenneth to decide, for good or ill. Let us return to the original course, yes? Kohiko turns back towards the off-screen noise as a hand blindly searches around for the button to cut the transmission.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.02 23:08:00 - [23] For once, what is posted here is a live feed. Aria, a tiny, pallid wisp of a person in dark, traditionally Caldari dress, appears seated on, rather than at, a black-lacquered desk Very nicely observed, Ms. Mithra; that's the situation exactly. On which note ... she hops down and addresses the camera MISTER Damordred: I'd like to thank you ever so much for a lovely night's soul searching, combined with the first of The Skyhook's "event horizons" I've tasted in seven months. I'd rather lost my fondness for them, so thank you ever so much for finding just the right nerve to poke to induce me to go and order one. It's been a little while since we talked, so let me just make this perfectly clear, assuming you can be bothered to put up with the rant. she leans forward, her speech quickening, gathering force in the manner of a very small hurricane You are not obliged to read, look at, comment on, contemplate, analyze, look for hidden subliminal messanges in, or otherwise in any way register the existence of anything I write. The fact that you are allergic to thought does not in any way inform the usefulness or validity of what comes out of my head. Are you right? Do you have a clue what you're talking about when you assert that I'm some fragile prat looking for validity in the praise or spite I receive from others? Well, maybe on some level you are. I'm lost; I'm confused; I'm isolated; I'm scared. Congratulations; brilliant insight. So maybe I cope with that by casting about, trying to find my way as best I can, and maybe part of that is sharing some of what I perceive with others who might be in similar positions, or who at least might help me figure out where, who, and what in all the blasted universe I am. Does this mean my observations are wrong? No. Does this mean that all I'm doing is trying to patch my miserable, misshapen, pockmarked little soul? Maybe, but even if so I'm not sure how in all the worlds that's even relevant, or, if it is, how it's any of your business considering that you don't have any interest in my essays anyway. My neuroses are none of your concern, and to such an extent as they are reflected in my ideas, well, hopefully the likes of Ms. Mithra will be able to provide an elixir for any poison that might happen to seep into those ideas as a consequence. If you'd like to take a more active role and say something useful rather than just identifying nerves long enough to stick needles in them, I'm sure you'd be quite welcome, but in the meantime you should probably just go with your impulse from last time and take me for a blasted icecream cone. I'm not saying that it would have helped, but it would have hurt less and I wouldn't currently be contemplating with pleasure the number of possible means of returning the favor with a succession of blunt weapons. So, pilot, until you have something relevant to say, I'll thank you very much for not sticking your wit where it doesn't belong. she jabs the control for the visual feed with the tip of her finger, and the image blacks out. The audio, however, remains running for several seconds. Aria's voice can be heard, muttering angrily and possibly to herself ... Could have just taken me for icecream. Bastard.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.03 01:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 03/05/2008 00:27:38... Could have just taken me for icecream. Bastard. Is there some sexual tension here I'm missing? Hmmm?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.03 03:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Aria Jenneth ... Mr. Ixiris ... Point of curiosity, as I've never been very clear on this: how exactly is the Amarrian faith, or, for that matter, that of the Sani Sabik, verifiably false? I mean, of course I don't believe a word of it, but then I'm a heathen Achur, so of course I wouldn't. Also, I naturally see my own faith as, if not provable, at least solidly grounded in reality, which as far as I'm concerned theirs isn't. But even with all that said, I certainly can't prove their faith invalid. Would you be so good as to explain how one accomplishes this? You have to understand, Aria, that a lot of what I say is intended mostly to irritate Amarrians (and other Sani Sabik), because I believe that they are, due to the fact that they build their lives around the death, misery and suffering of others, somewhat undeserving of happiness, and since I can't, due to cloning, deprive them of it permanently, I set out to make their lives as miserable as possible. So far, I've only achieved mild success - but I'm hopeful. But there is some seriousness in what I say. The Amarrian religious tradition speaks of the unquestionable superiority of the Amarrian people in all things (and, by extension, the unquestionable inferiority of other races in all things), the manifest and demonstrable presence of God, and the ultimate (and importantly, perpetually imminent), violent military triumph (via the Reclaiming) of all human beings. Now, I will be the first to agree with you that the existence of God, Gods or an afterlife is not either verifiable or falsifiable with our current knowledge, but I contend this: The Amarrian religion (you'll notice I don't say Amarrian religion in general, as I know there are some Amarrians who, for instance, follow Achur, Intaki, Caldari or Minmatar religious/spiritual beliefs) is not about God, and it never was. It is about the brutal, collective self-gratification of one particular race at the total expense of all others. Amarrian religion makes verifiably false proclamations, such as: Assertion - Amarrians are universally superior. Disproof - Vak'Atioth, Starkmanir Prime, Minmatar Rebellion disprove universal military superiority. Minmatar, Caldari, Jovian and Federation technological advancements disprove technological superiority. The general quality of life in the Federation or Republic as compared to the general quality of life in the Empire disprove social superiority. Assertion - Ultimate Amarrian victory is imminent. Disproof - It's been "imminent" forever. At first, on Athra, victory over the continent was "imminent" for a long time - then it was the planet, then the system, then the universe (which, I should point out, they do not own, as much as Blake or his pathetic cronies would have you believe). They keep shifting the goalposts on what the target is, so that victory is always "imminent" but not quite here yet - and I'd like to point out that should any serious attempt be made by Amarrians to reclaim us, it would fall flat on its face and be extremely damaging, possibly fatal to the Empire. The Sani Sabik faith hinges even less around the concept of God or spirituality, and more around magick, which is even more easy to disprove - as it is not always possible to reproduce the same effects (or any effects at all, more often than not) with their rituals. As I said, it is not the belief in God that is disprovable, and were either religion to make that belief their most important, it would not be disprovable. But since the religions focus more on personal self-gratification and specific declarations (which are, almost universally, incorrect specific declarations), I call them verifiably false, because... well, they are.
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 07:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Avel Kereka Is there some sexual tension here I'm missing? Hmmm? I won't lie: that would be patently magnificent, if only due to my prurient, vaguely adolescent lust for scandal and drama. Besides, Ms. Jenneth, it's refreshing to see a side of you other than the detached, unshakeable, scholarly commentator. No offense, of course.
Myrhial Arkenath Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.03 22:22:00 - [27] Director Jenneth, I am glad you have decided to speak up and defend your words. It saddened me to see you drink that beverage as a comfort. Although I hope my advice did not get misunderstood as I was hinting towards settling the matter in private. Respect though for the guts to defend your works in public, as they are close to your heart.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.04 23:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Grr A refreshing stance from an Electus Matari member especially Re-Awakened who normally hold their isk so dear. Perhaps there is some hope for you yet Shiaari, if you could free yourself from the greedy grasp of your CEO that is. Where faith is what it should be - a personal choice not enforced or inflicted on others - then I have no wish... I have no right to interfere with it. Shiaari's beliefs are important to her, and they harm no one. What's the point of fighting for freedom if I seek to deny others the freedom to make their own choices when they have all the information they need to make them informed? As for the matter of isk, it's not an end in itself. Isk is food for asteroid colonies whose freighters go hit by pirates, isk is new equipment for laboratories seeking treatments for Vitoxin poisoning, isk is ships and weapons to keep the Wolves from the door. Heck, isk is even little tips for those useful souls in the Mandate who give us advance warning when you're on your way to Rens to hand out more "sweeties".
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris The Sani Sabik faith hinges even less around the concept of God or spirituality, and more around magick, which is even more easy to disprove - as it is not always possible to reproduce the same effects (or any effects at all, more often than not) with their rituals. Incorrect, Andreus. And a very ill-thought out, instigation. Once again, I reiterate that Sani Sabik is a very diverse group of religious tenements and faith guidelines. Many practictioners of Sani Sabik believe in the Amarrian God. The most obvious examples are the nobles who attend church regularly in their societies, fearing both being revealed as godless but also fearing the wrath of the Amarr God. While it's quite easy to renounce the Amarrian God once clear of their dominion, many Sani Sabik practitioners within the Empire still pay minimum lip service to their God. As to 'magic' - I just ask you to refrain from your Galente showmanship when trying to slander all of my Faith, when trying to get at Revan. Besides, what's she got that I haven't? Personal Library
Fox Vulcan Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:43:00 - [30] Having read all this, I just agree with the distaste for the fact that, apparently, all Galanteans enjoy 'rotting their brains' and taking drugs, alongside other such activities that render them totally vegetative. I amy be a godless heathen to some, but Im also a soldier, and a hard worker. Ive earned my ship, my pay and my rank. I wont have anyone try and slander that, or any Gallantean who has earned their keep. As for the target religious sect, if their activities broach the law or count as piracy, they can be guarantead a final five gun salute in their honour. On the recieving end of my railguns... **************************** "For Honour and Glory."

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