Andreus Ixiris
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Posted - 2008.05.06 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 06/05/2008 01:12:11
 Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Incorrect, Andreus. And a very ill-thought out, instigation.
I think not. Allow me to expand, crazy corpse-doll-girl person.
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Once again, I reiterate that Sani Sabik is a very diverse group of religious tenements and faith guidelines. Many practictioners of Sani Sabik believe in the Amarrian God. The most obvious examples are the nobles who attend church regularly in their societies, fearing both being revealed as godless but also fearing the wrath of the Amarr God. While it's quite easy to renounce the Amarrian God once clear of their dominion, many Sani Sabik practitioners within the Empire still pay minimum lip service to their God.
Did I say that all in the Sani Sabik faith forswore belief in God? I think not. I simply said that the Sani Sabik faith revolves even less around it than the Amarrian faith.
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
As to 'magic' - I just ask you to refrain from your Galente showmanship when trying to slander all of my Faith, when trying to get at Revan.
I was actually trying to get at the Amarrians. I prefer not to argue with more sapient Sani Sabik members such as yourself - with you, there's always the very slight danger that I won't always be right, whereas with people like Revan, Darth Sage and their ilk or Blake, Garreck, Merdaneth, Har- hell, ANY IMPERIAL LOYALIST, FULL STOP, as long as I'm discussing morality, religion or ethics with them, I pretty much categorically can't be wrong. It's nice to have it like that.
But as for magick - would you deny that there is a strong belief in at least some sects of the Sani Sabik that drinking the blood of a mortal grants you his power? And, that being said, can you provide any evidence to back that up? (Unless his "power" is, say, hepatitis or dysentry...)
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Besides, what's she got that I haven't? 
Well you've got me there. The answer is: nothing, to be honest. There's not an endless list of things I like about you Meb, but I like Revan much less. You are both stone-cold, skin-tight insane, you both have highly disturbing (although pathalogically distinct) habits, you both have awful dress sense, you're both part of a culture I despise, you both hate the Federation, you're both part of fairly notorious criminal organisations and to be honest you're both really, really awkward to associate with.
But, if I can be quite frank, what sets you apart is one simple fact, Meb. And this will, of course, make me look like a complete, shallow bastard, but at this point I've somewhat ceased to care. The simple fact is:
She's ugly.
You're fairly attractive. For a woman.
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Posted - 2008.05.06 06:08:00 -
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Mr Ixiris
First, I'd like to thank you for the effort you put into provinding us with a proof of your claim here. I'd like to look into some of the statements you give and then discern if the argument you give is sound and valid.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I believe that Amarrians are, due to the fact that they build their lives around the death, misery and suffering of others, somewhat undeserving of happiness.
Fact?
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Assertion - Amarrians are universally superior.
Disproof - [...]
Assertion - Ultimate Amarrian victory is imminent.
Disproof - [...]
Neither of the two assertions you give is actually a conditio sine qua non for the Amarr religion. You can easily not accept one of the two and still be a faithful Amarr.
I'd go so far to say that at least the second is not a wide spread assertion. Most Amarr think of the Amarrian victory as inevitable, but not imminent. And I'd say most Amarr believe that the Amarr are superior, but rather in the important qualities, than universally. I think most Amarr would attest you to be superior to them in misunderstanding the Amarr faith for example.
Also, the Amarr and the Amarr religion state, that Amarr are fallible. Also interesting is, that I haven't stumbled over the notion of race in any of the phrases from the Scripture, that are deemed to be of importance.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
As I said, it is not the belief in God that is disprovable.
Ah, there we have a conditio sine qua non, the belief in God.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
But since the religions focus more on personal self-gratification and specific declarations (which are, almost universally, incorrect specific declarations)
Which you unfrotunately dismiss so lightly. So the question: does it really? You know you have to prove that, if you want to prove that the Amarr religion is false?
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I call them verifiably false, because... well, they are.
Well, that's a bit circular, isn't it?
So, you have to prove that the assertions you give are core tenets of the Amarr religion, or you prove nothing at all. But if you look a bit into Amarr theology, I think you will notice that the core tenets are stated in a fashion that they are only understandable as things you have to put faith in, for they generally can't be proved to be true or false or are tautological in nature. That's essentially why we call it religion and not science.
So I'd say your argument is valid, but - unfortunately for you - not a sound one. Of course you are free to argue for the truth of your premises, but as I pointed out above, I don't think that you'll have much luck with that.
Yours faithfully
N. Mithra
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