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Fret
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:32:00 -
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Well, I'm very disappointed to point out that the New Fountain Alliance has used the sentry gun exploit on me in Bapraya earlier today. I lost my Scorp, it's mods, my pod/clone, and my platinum insurance.
I filed a petition, but who knows how long that will take to process, so I'm putting this post up here too in hopes it will get noticed.
Here's the logs:
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Gamelog Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.04.26 19:58:40
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[ 2004.04.26 20:36:46 ] (notify) Mr Blackwell: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:46 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Mr Blackwell [FINFL] hits you, doing 276.8 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:47 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Mr Blackwell [FINFL] aims well at you, inflicting 339.6 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:48 ] (notify) Muaddid: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:48 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Mr Blackwell [FINFL] aims well at you, inflicting 338.2 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:49 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] aims well at you, inflicting 136.6 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:50 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 117.1 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 164.3 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:52 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] aims well at you, inflicting 126.0 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:53 ] (notify) Muaddid [AFDT] has started trying to warp scramble you. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:53 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 174.9 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:54 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] barely scratches you, causing 48.6 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:55 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 163.7 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:56 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 164.0 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:57 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 122.2 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:58 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Mr Blackwell [FINFL] lightly hits you, doing 0.9 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:36:59 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 117.1 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] aims well at you, inflicting 129.6 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:01 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 114.3 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:02 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 155.8 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:03 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 119.2 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:04 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 114.3 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:06 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] lightly hits you, doing 7.5 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] lightly hits you, doing 7.6 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 155.4 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:09 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 167.2 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:10 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] aims well at you, inflicting 132.8 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:11 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 114.3 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:12 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] aims well at you, inflicting 195.7 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Mr Blackwell [FINFL] barely scratches you, causing 158.0 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] barely scratches you, causing 63.8 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] aims well at you, inflicting 189.8 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:16 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] hits you, doing 178.8 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] barely scratches you, causing 45.7 damage. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Muaddid [AFDT] barely scratches you, causing 82.4 damage.
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Gamelog Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.04.26 20:37:24
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[ 2004.04.26 20:37:31 ] (notify) Ruoja: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.04.26 20:37:46 ] (notify) Maule: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the co
"A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception."
Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:42:00 -
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Hope CCP does soemthing about this exploit... __________________________________________________
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Leitari on 26/04/2004 21:45:28 the fact you posted this here really doesnt help your petitioning case.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Moonlight Express
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:49:00 -
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WhatÆs the exploit? If people are willing to lose security status or their ships, why canÆt they shoot at you near sentry guns? How do you lose platinum insurance?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:52:00 -
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STop crying exploit FFS, when you mean someone used a valid tactic on me and I'm a bit saddened by the loss of my ship etc. now I will go out and make some iskies to replace the loss and I will have fun doing that. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.26 21:53:00 -
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It's FA, you silly monkey.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:05:00 -
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Quote: I lost my platinum insurance.
Oh no!
How did you lose it?
Should we help you look for it, or did the evil people take it?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:08:00 -
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what is the exploit!?
"We brake for nobody"
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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:08:00 -
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Where is the exploit?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:17:00 -
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who is the exploit?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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Mr Blackwell
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Blackwell on 26/04/2004 22:22:53 Edited by: Mr Blackwell on 26/04/2004 22:21:12 bla bla bla bla
*Love boat is taking another run*
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Slam on 26/04/2004 22:23:03 According to the ccp there are currently 1300 unprocessed petitions in queue.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp
A lot of these are for players being stuck or otherwise having serious problems with the game.
Plz remove any baseless petitions
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Fret
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:42:00 -
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I normally agreed that "if you can do it, then it's ok" but since CCP stated it was an exploit, I wouldn't have expected it to happen.
If this WAS allowed, and if it was publically known it was allowed, I, as well as many other, would be more cautious about where they sit. I was sitting at my computer, at a gate, and then before you know it I was warp scrambled, webified, and everything, not much I could do.
The support ships do not get targetted by the sentry guns, which is the exploit. CCP stated that this was an exploit and they are working on fixing it, and until they find a way to fix it, it is to be considered an exploit.
I still think, if it can be done, then it's ok to be done, but when CCP states it cannot be done, then it shouldn't be done, that simple.
Fret
"A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception."
Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:53:00 -
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um where have ccp said it was a exploite post's and quote's plz
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:03:00 -
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afaik the exploit being referred to is where support ships use boosters to aid a single attacking ship. Currently the ai doesnt register ships aiding the aggressor with boosting modules as violating concord security.
The term "support" ships being referred to in this thread is strictly meant as ships performing the above mentioned operation.
I see no sign in your log that this happened - in fact it shows 2 pilots as agressors.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:10:00 -
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looks like the good old msg of shoting pl close to a gate yet out side gun range.....
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Sparta
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:11:00 -
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I am sorry to say I have seen this "method" used on my corp members in Airdia by the NFA guys. To be honest I think it represents a feeling of frustation over the limited ability of players to engage each other in empire. Now from my point of view Airdia is "outer empire" and I'd prefer ccp to have inner ccp gate rules and some sort of broader engagement process in "outer empire".
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:13:00 -
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It isn't an exploit in 0.4 or less, iirc from the Zombies affair.
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Fret
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:17:00 -
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I would like to know... IS this an exploit in >0.4 space or is it not? I was under the impression that it was an exploit everywhere, for the reason that sentry guns to not target the "support" ships that are not causing aggression, and this is apparently a bug. If I am wrong, please let me know. If I am right, please let me know.
Fret
"A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception."
Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
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Gaheris
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:34:00 -
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you guys should take a look at the "omfg zombie are camping atlar in 0.4 space!wtfbbq!" thread (i cant remember the exact link, its prolly on page 2 of this forum by now) where GM Grimmi has a special message for you around half way down page 8.
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AbraKadaver
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:40:00 -
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You mean you didnt fire back, once? And how do you manage to lose your battleship, to two other ships, in that short a space of time? ..:: Electro-shock therapy ::..
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AbraKadaver
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: AbraKadaver on 26/04/2004 23:44:19 *double post* Soz im a fool ..:: Electro-shock therapy ::..
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:46:00 -
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if it`s an exploit in yulai then it`s an exploit anywhere otherwise remove the .4 guns as they`re useless if it`s a legal tactic but looking at the yulai incident, i doubt it
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Jimblob
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Posted - 2004.04.26 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jimblob on 27/04/2004 00:07:35 This thread half way down.
Atlar is 0.4 system.
To quote GM Grimmi
Quote: Hi folks, this is just to make it known that we GMs have observed this camping in Atlar and investigated it very carefully and there is no exploit involved
In short, if it isn't an exploit in Atlar, it isn't an exploit in any 0.4 or below systems.
It sucks but this isn't a safe and secure galaxy. If you intend to visit somewhere like beirut, bring protection and hire bodyguards.
The sentries in the 0.1 to 0.4 gates are there as deterrant. They are also there to "protect the gate". If people tank the damage and use support ships it just means they're better organised than most gankers.
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Peepshow
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Posted - 2004.04.27 00:03:00 -
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Hint:
Tanking sentries in 0.4 - 0.0 isn't an exploit, so you can go cry a river.
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Fret
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Posted - 2004.04.27 00:23:00 -
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Well that's all I wanted to know. I'm not b*tching, I just wanted to know if it was an exploit or not.
Thanks guys, Fret
"A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception."
Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
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Shira Tandaria
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Posted - 2004.04.27 00:30:00 -
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Actually, that quote isn't correct. As it was never stated that they were tanking.
But sentry tanking is considered an exploit. The reasoning may not be logical (in fact, it was an opinion rather than some sort of consistent handling), nor 100% sure, but they have so far decided that it's not an exploit.
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2004.04.27 00:36:00 -
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Just take comfort in the fact that they're too insecure/crappy when it comes to PVP, so they have to use these sort of tactics to get an edge.
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.04.27 00:51:00 -
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If they were being fired at by the sentry guns then I doubt its an exploit. If they where further away then 75km from the gate and taking advantage of the fact that sentries only shoot 75km instead of there 150km max range, then you've got yourself a case.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.04.27 01:50:00 -
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Uhm,.. shooting people in sentry range isnt an exploit. The sentries will fire, you will lose sec status, there is a risk. Shooting outside sentry range is not an exploit either, you still lose sec status, you're open for attack, you cant warp scramble or do enough damage before they warp out in a bs.
You only have a case if they were sensor dampening the sentries and not getting shot, or any other way to avoid getting shot in range. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
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