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Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.05.02 17:18:00 - [1] I've always been a western fan, and I'm alittle disappointed that there's not much interest in the genre be it movies or games. So whenever one comes up I usually pick it up. I was pleasantly surprised by Call of Juarez a very fun game, single and multiplayer. But anyway, I want a western MMO with 3 classes: a) The Good b) The Bad c) The Ugly Would anyone actually be drawn to a western themed mmo?
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.05.02 17:18:00 - [2] I've always been a western fan, and I'm alittle disappointed that there's not much interest in the genre be it movies or games. So whenever one comes up I usually pick it up. I was pleasantly surprised by Call of Juarez a very fun game, single and multiplayer. But anyway, I want a western MMO with 3 classes: a) The Good b) The Bad c) The Ugly Would anyone actually be drawn to a western themed mmo?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.02 17:46:00 - [3] It's quite limited geographically and as such quite boring. I'd however like to see more of the other frontiers, conquistador and pirate/privateer adventures around the globe. Also Mad Dog Gibson was onto something, native american adventures prior and during the early days of european interference. I'd like to see a good Blackfeet vs Shoshone war.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Danton Marcellus It's quite limited geographically and as such quite boring. I'd however like to see more of the other frontiers, conquistador and pirate/privateer adventures around the globe. Also Mad Dog Gibson was onto something, native american adventures prior and during the early days of european interference. I'd like to see a good Blackfeet vs Shoshone war. I find scale to be quite relative. The wild west should be a suitable setup, there's alot of diversity in the time period. You have europeans, americans, indians, etc. Alot of tensions from overseas as well as internal hostility. I think there's plenty historically that would make for a rich MMO. As far as scenery, you have lots of different types of terrain to work with. Valleys, Mountains, Forrests, Swamps, plateaus, etc. The bigger issue would be to capture the feel and as it doesn't seem suited to the boiler plate MMO experience. You expect something more action based. But I would agree, perhaps a more colonial era would open up more design space, and the wild west can be a portion of that. But I do think there's enough design space in the wild west to make a focused MMO.
Kathryn Dougans Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 02/05/2008 18:36:13 How would deaths of characters work? i.e. without magic (WoW), or sci-fi (EVE) to have characters not die, is permadeath the only thing that would make sense?
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:38:00 - [6] Edited by: Kyanzes on 02/05/2008 18:40:07 Nope, unless it's set in the future. A Brave Starr like stuff would be fun. I loved the pistooler and the bounty hunter class in SWG (you could even combine the two). Too bad they ruined the whole game. Anyways, I would simply love a game like that. As for the classic "Wild West" era, I don't know. Could be fun I guess, given that it had trains in it that could be robbed And those funny looking steam ships with huge wheels sailing the Mississippi. That would be fun, I guess. Bank robbery is a must ofc. Being able to raid trains though, that would be the ultimate fun. And having shootouts in gold mines. Well. I said it's a no-go unless set in the future but now I think it could be fun. Here's a coo' wild west game for you btw.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:40:00 - [7] Whatcha mean make a comeback? Trying to say something about my lifestyle? /Puts on his cowboy hat and storms out
Kathryn Dougans Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Whatcha mean make a comeback? Trying to say something about my lifestyle? /Puts on his cowboy hat and storms out Yay, Michael's back! Someone make some empty threads, and others with non-functioning links!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Whatcha mean make a comeback? Trying to say something about my lifestyle? /Puts on his cowboy hat and storms out Yay, Michael's back! Someone make some empty threads, and others with non-functioning links! Yeah, I haven't started my house project yet and some friends talked (harassed) me into playing again.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 02/05/2008 18:36:13 How would deaths of characters work? i.e. without magic (WoW), or sci-fi (EVE) to have characters not die, is permadeath the only thing that would make sense? A system of wounding, and perma-death would make sense. You just need to re-roll a character, and bring up the notion of a will to give all your current items/bank accounts/home to your next character.

Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Rialtor Would anyone actually be drawn to a western themed mmo? +1
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:04:00 - [12] I'm not interested in Westerns at all, but Quote: A system of wounding, and perma-death would make sense. You just need to re-roll a character, and bring up the notion of a will to give all your current items/bank accounts/home to your next character. is a really good idea o_0
Kathryn Dougans Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Rialtor A system of wounding, and perma-death would make sense. You just need to re-roll a character, and bring up the notion of a will to give all your current items/bank accounts/home to your next character. Lefty McGurk: You killed my 27 brothers, now I'm going to kill you, Dangerous Dan! Dangerous Dan: Hmm, large family, eh? Shoots Lefty 5 minutes later... Righty McGurk: You killed my 28 brothers... Actually, sounds like it would work, and be pretty fun as well.
Nerogk Shorn Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:17:00 - [14] I really love westerns too. I think it'd be really fantastic if they managed to make a MMO with that genre, but it'd probably pretty hard to figure out a system to make it so you actually "shoot" people but at the same time not make it a FPS. It could certainly be a lot of fun though. Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest I'm not interested in Westerns at all, but Quote: A system of wounding, and perma-death would make sense. You just need to re-roll a character, and bring up the notion of a will to give all your current items/bank accounts/home to your next character. is a really good idea o_0 The thing i like about EVE though, is that you HAVE a name, and that doesn't change. This is good because your character and you as a player become known in the world through your accomplishments/whatnot. The only way i can see this happening in a Wild West themed MMO, is if everyone had first and last names, and you had a "family tree" So that whenever you died, it'd add a new child or something to be your heir to the name. So you could literally look up someone's family tree and see that that guy really is the "Jesse James" that murdered that whole fecking town. You get a new name, a new character, whil still actually dying and retaining your reputation.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Nerogk Shorn The thing i like about EVE though, is that you HAVE a name, and that doesn't change. This is good because your character and you as a player become known in the world through your accomplishments/whatnot. The only way i can see this happening in a Wild West themed MMO, is if everyone had first and last names, and you had a "family tree" So that whenever you died, it'd add a new child or something to be your heir to the name. So you could literally look up someone's family tree and see that that guy really is the "Jesse James" that murdered that whole fecking town. You get a new name, a new character, whil still actually dying and retaining your reputation. You can still have a name even if you character can die. It would actually make having a name something hard to do. Since you have 1 life to earn a name. Something like that should probably be a major focus of a western MMO. Something like Fame/Infamy wouldn't be too hard to track. If someone robs a well defended train he gets some set of infamy points for example. You're then pretty much on a ladder with all the other out laws out there. So you're in competition with them to be "public enemy #1". You may even want to kill other people on the ladder. So when a character dies in an attempt for immortality, the game should incorporate that character into the story of the game. A true NPC engine can do this. NPCs could talk about the event in passing (Jesse James getting shot down at such and such). Or perhaps a book system for those players that really like to delve into flavor. People can submit stories that can be approved by the character themself and stored as a book permenantly on the server. That way earning a name is part of the game, and something many people might be interested in. It might correct some issues in Eve with regards to bounty hunting. People might have reasons to hold onto their high infamy character, and not just kill him for money and such.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Lefty McGurk: You killed my 27 brothers, now I'm going to kill you, Dangerous Dan! Dangerous Dan: Hmm, large family, eh? Shoots Lefty 5 minutes later... Righty McGurk: You killed my 28 brothers... Actually, sounds like it would work, and be pretty fun as well. This would be plausible in the Utah expansion
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Originally by: Rialtor A system of wounding, and perma-death would make sense. You just need to re-roll a character, and bring up the notion of a will to give all your current items/bank accounts/home to your next character. Lefty McGurk: You killed my 27 brothers, now I'm going to kill you, Dangerous Dan! Dangerous Dan: Hmm, large family, eh? Shoots Lefty 5 minutes later... Righty McGurk: You killed my 28 brothers... Actually, sounds like it would work, and be pretty fun as well. That scene from space balls comes to mind ;).
Mohia Matara The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2008.05.02 21:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest I'm not interested in Westerns at all, but Quote: A system of wounding, and perma-death would make sense. You just need to re-roll a character, and bring up the notion of a will to give all your current items/bank accounts/home to your next character. is a really good idea o_0 Heh the idea of a will is actually quite ingenious.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.02 21:59:00 - [19] Theres is quite a bit that you can do with that time period really. Now I don't know what Rialtor had in mind here but if we're talking about the US in general during the wild wild west then you could have a number of classes: Pioneer/Explorer Union Soldier Confederate Soldier Bandit Pelter/Trapper American Indian (with many sub classes and a specific tribe of your choosing) English Scholar Sheriff Trader Miner The list could go on forever especially if you add silly things like witch doctor or performer or whatever comes to mind. Groups could run out into the plains or even to the west coast and stake claims then protect them from raiding bandits, indians, or mexican soldiers. Or you could fire up a town and watch it grow with people running through buying your wares. You could fight in the civil war or be a horse messenger. Or you could run into the wilderness and promptly get eaten by a bear. The mmo could be immense.
Tuco Pacifico Friends Of Derek	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Rialtor I've always been a western fan, and I'm alittle disappointed that there's not much interest in the genre be it movies or games. So whenever one comes up I usually pick it up. I was pleasantly surprised by Call of Juarez a very fun game, single and multiplayer. But anyway, I want a western MMO with 3 classes: a) The Good b) The Bad c) The Ugly Would anyone actually be drawn to a western themed mmo? Err, yeah! See my name?

Kathryn Dougans Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Theres is quite a bit that you can do with that time period really. Would you get to run a "billiards" hall? Course, there's no table anymore - had to burn it for firewood, but if you want a game, just ask one of the girls.
Nerogk Shorn Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.03 01:18:00 - [22] So under this perma-death system, what happens to the skills and abilities you obtained?

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