Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 20:26:00 -
[1] - Quote
Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not? |
baltec1
757
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 20:29:00 -
[2] - Quote
This is why I got a diesel. I am forever driving about but only need to refill once or twice a month |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 20:50:00 -
[3] - Quote
In the 1980s (even as recently as 12 years ago) cars were built that could achieve 60-plus MPG (cba to convert that to metric right now) but the best that can be made now struggle to achieve more than 45 MPG.
Why? Mass. No amount of battery wizardry can make up for the fact that a heavy car requires more energy to push than a light one.
BTW, 20p per litre is roughly $1.20 per (US) gallon price hike or about 30% of what I last paid for a gallon (in the USA). I wonder how much of that is 20p is new/additional taxes? Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 21:01:00 -
[4] - Quote
Palovana wrote:In the 1980s (even as recently as 12 years ago) cars were built that could achieve 60-plus MPG (cba to convert that to metric right now) but the best that can be made now struggle to achieve more than 45 MPG.
Why? Mass. No amount of battery wizardry can make up for the fact that a heavy car requires more energy to push than a light one.
BTW, 20p per litre is roughly $1.20 per (US) gallon price hike or about 30% of what I last paid for a gallon (in the USA). I wonder how much of that is 20p is new/additional taxes? considering how stuff is taxed here in Europe, probably about 50-70% [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
baltec1
757
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 21:04:00 -
[5] - Quote
Grimpak wrote: considering how stuff is taxed here in Europe, probably about 50-70%
Its around 60% |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 21:17:00 -
[6] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Grimpak wrote: considering how stuff is taxed here in Europe, probably about 50-70%
Its around 60%
well, I was right, sorta [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
118
|
Posted - 2012.03.02 21:35:00 -
[7] - Quote
What are you guys at so far? My area is sitting at $3.11 - $3.46 for premium and it takes me roughly $85 to fill up the 11 mpg Disco. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1294
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 02:10:00 -
[8] - Quote
What is this "line injection diesel" I hear about getting heinous mileage? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3362
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 07:51:00 -
[9] - Quote
Highest I seen in my area 5.43$ a gallon.
|
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 08:30:00 -
[10] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:What is this "line injection diesel" I hear about getting heinous mileage?
direct injection probably?
also known as "common rail" and "multijet" [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
|
baltec1
757
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 10:05:00 -
[11] - Quote
-ú1.47 per litre for diesel here |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 10:39:00 -
[12] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:-ú1.47 per litre for diesel here
here in Portugal, diesel is about 1.50Gé¼.
....I won't even talk about gasoline [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 10:59:00 -
[13] - Quote
i filled up this morning at morrisons and got charged -ú1:33 for a litre of petrol ..... its getting worse every bloody week |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 11:25:00 -
[14] - Quote
Meklon wrote:Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not?
Since oil is finite, and people are greedy under the current monetary system, it seems only the inevitable results. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 13:09:00 -
[15] - Quote
Despite prices of crude going up I don't understand our current Chancellor and his policies though with regards to the general increase in fuel costs via the duty, by all appearances he's a total idiot.
In 2010 he put up fuel duty under assumption that upping it would result in more tax.
It didn't.
People simply used their vehicles less (and some haulage firms went out of business) and he lost out on ~-ú6 Billion in tax due to it over the year.
Despite putting a freeze on duty over 2011, this year he's going to put duty up again, and the results will be obvious: less people will buy fuel due to it's high cost and resort to using other means of transport (including walking/cycling), resulting in much less money.
|
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 13:24:00 -
[16] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:Despite prices of crude going up I don't understand our current Chancellor and his policies though with regards to the general increase in fuel costs via the duty, by all appearances he's a total idiot.
In 2010 he put up fuel duty under assumption that upping it would result in more tax.
It didn't.
People simply used their vehicles less (and some haulage firms went out of business) and he lost out on ~-ú6 Billion in tax due to it over the year.
Despite putting a freeze on duty over 2011, this year he's going to put duty up again, and the results will be obvious: less people will buy fuel due to it's high cost and resort to using other means of transport (including walking/cycling), resulting in much less money.
in my country we had a system of toll-free highways. It was all fine n' dandy until the crisis came up and all of the sudden more tax revenue needed to be created.
so they put tolls on the previously toll-free highways thinking that "hey, people need this so they will pay!".
the result? yeah people are paying to go thru them (and thru a very sketchy system at that), but the traffic volume on these roads decreased on the order of the 20-50%. which means that their predictions on money gained here was also waaaaaay below expectations.
all that this managed to do is to put extra pressure on the regular roads with now nearly 80% of the cargo going thru them, and increasing general traffic by 100% in some cases. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
593
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 13:55:00 -
[17] - Quote
Sidus Isaacs wrote:Meklon wrote:Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not? Since oil is finite, and people are greedy under the current monetary system, it seems only the inevitable results.
In the US, at least, the state and federal governements profit more from a gallon of gasoline than the companies who actually do the work and produce it. Which is despicable to say the least.
Also, in the last couple years alone we've piled up 5 trillion more in debt and have monetized it to the point where the US dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar, which years ago would have been a joke. So even though demand is flat, prices have risen. Again, the fault of the government.
Now I don't know what greedy people you're referring to. Maybe you meant government and the parasites who depend on it. But if you meant oil companies, you're wildly uninformed. I'm sure they'd love to be greedier than the spending-addicted governments of the world, but unlike government they actually have to compete, perform, and balance their budgets. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
204
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 14:24:00 -
[18] - Quote
Justified? No idea.
I gave up driving cars nearly 10 years ago so it doesn't affect me, other than having drivers on the road trying to beat the lights and save 10p on fuel, and nearly colliding into me.
Then there are the mother fuckin' cyclists who somehow believe the pavement is their domain and cycle along at top speed. I purposefully get in there way and elbow/shoulder them at every opportunity.
So, I guess it will affect me if everyone gives up cars as the pavements will be chocked full of idiots getting in my way.
If, like me, you live in a city centre then you really have no excuses.
I could not justify owning a car; I live 10 min walk from the central bus station, 15 min walk from a major train station and 20 minute coach to an International Airport - but am not on the flightpath...
So, my travel expenditure is a paltry -ú16 per 7 days, for unlimited travel - less than a round of drinks.
No insurance No road Tax No cleaning needed No garages ripping me off No 30% annual depreciation No threat of someone stealing it, setting fire to it, smashing the windows, keying it. No maintenance costs No insecurity complex bought on by seeing the exact same car as mine, but 6 months newer, or a better colour/wheels/stereo/bumper sticker/private plate.
And of course: No fuel to buy.
Last time I bought fuel it was nearing the 90 pence mark, and that was horrific.
I'd recommend opening up a Excel and crunching the numbers - the amount of money you will have at the end of the month will shock you by not having a car.
If you absolutely positively need a car, and I mean need a car, then this news sucks - all I can suggest is work harder, longer hours, or get a second job, or ask for a pay rise to off-set the increased expenditure.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 15:31:00 -
[19] - Quote
AlleyKat wrote:
If you absolutely positively need a car, and I mean need a car, then this news sucks - all I can suggest is work harder, longer hours, or get a second job, or ask for a pay rise to off-set the increased expenditure.
AK
welcome to Portugal, where the (horrible, horrible) mass transportation system is only well developed in Oporto and Lisbon.
Oh and average wage is 600-700Gé¼, minimum being 485Gé¼. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
236
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 15:46:00 -
[20] - Quote
Grimpak wrote:in my country we had a system of toll-free highways. It was all fine n' dandy until the crisis came up and all of the sudden more tax revenue needed to be created.
so they put tolls on the previously toll-free highways thinking that "hey, people need this so they will pay!".
the result? yeah people are paying to go thru them (and thru a very sketchy system at that), but the traffic volume on these roads decreased on the order of the 20-50%. which means that their predictions on money gained here was also waaaaaay below expectations.
all that this managed to do is to put extra pressure on the regular roads with now nearly 80% of the cargo going thru them, and increasing general traffic by 100% in some cases.
In England there was a section of a main motorway that was crippled with traffic as it approached and passed through a large city and one of the most infamous junctions in the country (spaghetti junction), it costs business millions and adds hours to the journey when the traffic is particularly bad. It was decided that a bypass was needed so through traffic could completely avoid all of it.
Then some bright spark decided it should be the only toll motorway in the country, the much needed relief road sees a trickle of the traffic it would normally see and they make it worse each year by increasing the toll. The traffic on the main section is worse than ever and the toll is so expensive it still makes more sense for business to just put up with the traffic than pay.
|
|
baltec1
757
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 16:07:00 -
[21] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:
Now I don't know what greedy people you're referring to. Maybe you meant government and the parasites who depend on it. But if you meant oil companies, you're wildly uninformed. I'm sure they'd love to be greedier than the spending-addicted governments of the world, but unlike government they actually have to compete, perform, and balance their budgets.
This would be why the oil companies say they get very little money for the fuel yet every year post ever higher record profits.
Money grabbing arsewipes aside, the age of cheap oil is over and this is only going to get worse as the years go by. This is why when I get a new car my first question is how many mpg does it get. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
204
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 16:41:00 -
[22] - Quote
Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Then some bright spark decided it should be the only toll motorway in the country, the much needed relief road sees a trickle of the traffic it would normally see and they make it worse each year by increasing the toll. The traffic on the main section is worse than ever and the toll is so expensive it still makes more sense for business to just put up with the traffic than pay.
That the one near B'ham ?
If so, I had no idea they did that - and that junction is a frickin' nightmare.
All these tolls and taxes remind slightly of the internet piracy arguments in the last year or so, that normally go something like this: "Internet piracy is costing the movie industry $300 Billion a year!" when in reality, if internet movie piracy didn't exist, people would just play more games - or burn movies, so the movie industry wouldn't get any more cash whatsoever.
People are not going to pay for something the day after they didn't have to pay for it - just because of habit. You gotta be some kind of sick demented fool, living in a secluded reality, to come up with that as a reasoned argument. Motorists already pay road tax - now they want to put tolls on the very road they have paid for? Erm, lol?
Being a motorist just sucks. Get public transport and have a nap...or forum ***** using a smartphone, or take in the scenery - like the motorists whipping by in traffic whilst you're in the bus lane.
I dare you not to smile.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Cierejai
Front Line Animal Helpers
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 01:10:00 -
[23] - Quote
It's always justified to raise prices. It's a system to determine how much you are willing to pay. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
236
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 01:51:00 -
[24] - Quote
AlleyKat wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Then some bright spark decided it should be the only toll motorway in the country, the much needed relief road sees a trickle of the traffic it would normally see and they make it worse each year by increasing the toll. The traffic on the main section is worse than ever and the toll is so expensive it still makes more sense for business to just put up with the traffic than pay.
That the one near B'ham ? If so, I had no idea they did that - and that junction is a frickin' nightmare. All these tolls and taxes remind slightly of the internet piracy arguments in the last year or so, that normally go something like this: "Internet piracy is costing the movie industry $300 Billion a year!" when in reality, if internet movie piracy didn't exist, people would just play more games - or burn movies, so the movie industry wouldn't get any more cash whatsoever. People are not going to pay for something the day after they didn't have to pay for it - just because of habit. You gotta be some kind of sick demented fool, living in a secluded reality, to come up with that as a reasoned argument. Motorists already pay road tax - now they want to put tolls on the very road they have paid for? Erm, lol? Being a motorist just sucks. Get public transport and have a nap...or forum ***** using a smartphone, or take in the scenery - like the motorists whipping by in traffic whilst you're in the bus lane. I dare you not to smile. AK
Yep the M6 toll, its a joke. It was supposed to be a main relief motorway that took all the through traffic going from the north-west to the Midlands along the M6 around Birmingham instead of getting snarled up along the junctions of several other motorways and main roads as it passes through.
It is almost completely empty, even at peak times.
|
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
119
|
Posted - 2012.03.04 02:11:00 -
[25] - Quote
I've been lucky enough to not have to deal with toll's or whatnot but I'm also cursed with living in a country that seems to hate the idea of fast travel. Even recently there was talk about digging up many of the old rails and installing a cable car that would service downtown and I was amazed at the number of people against it. And then there is the concept train that would connect 5 cities together and quite frankly reduce that stand still rush hour traffic in the morning and evening but no, we can't even get that past the drawing board. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 14:01:00 -
[26] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:Meklon wrote:Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not? Since oil is finite, and people are greedy under the current monetary system, it seems only the inevitable results. In the US, at least, the state and federal governements profit more from a gallon of gasoline than the companies who actually do the work and produce it. Which is despicable to say the least. Also, in the last couple years alone we've piled up 5 trillion more in debt and have monetized it to the point where the US dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar, which years ago would have been a joke. So even though demand is flat, prices have risen. Again, the fault of the government. Now I don't know what greedy people you're referring to. Maybe you meant government and the parasites who depend on it. But if you meant oil companies, you're wildly uninformed. I'm sure they'd love to be greedier than the spending-addicted governments of the world, but unlike government they actually have to compete, perform, and balance their budgets.
Then again the government provides the army that enables the companies to get the oil...
I was refering to any living person that accepts the currnet consumer based monetary system as "natural". |
Squidgey
Perkone Caldari State
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 16:39:00 -
[27] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:Despite prices of crude going up I don't understand our current Chancellor and his policies though with regards to the general increase in fuel costs via the duty, by all appearances he's a total idiot.
In 2010 he put up fuel duty under assumption that upping it would result in more tax.
It didn't.
People simply used their vehicles less (and some haulage firms went out of business) and he lost out on ~-ú6 Billion in tax due to it over the year.
Despite putting a freeze on duty over 2011, this year he's going to put duty up again, and the results will be obvious: less people will buy fuel due to it's high cost and resort to using other means of transport (including walking/cycling), resulting in much less money.
People don't understand the basic idea of volume vs price.
A good friend of mine opened a paintball field in 2003, and charged the lowest prices in the country.
The first year he raked in $300k - in profit.
Why? Because advertising the lowest prices in the country got everyone and their mother (literally) out to play paintball, because instead of it being $80 dollars per case of paint, it was now $35. The markup on paint was INSANE.. and still is at most fields. Only making a few bucks per case of profit but with a massively increased volume made all the difference in the world. More than once that place was packed to legal capacity and we had to turn customers away.
The second year in they packed up and moved to a building twice the size.
Ultimately they closed because the bank decided they would make more money dividing the building into 7 units. They didn't have the energy to open a third location.
To this day there is only two renters in there. The bank messed up. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
322
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 17:30:00 -
[28] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:Meklon wrote:Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not? Since oil is finite, and people are greedy under the current monetary system, it seems only the inevitable results. In the US, at least, the state and federal governements profit more from a gallon of gasoline than the companies who actually do the work and produce it. Which is despicable to say the least. Also, in the last couple years alone we've piled up 5 trillion more in debt and have monetized it to the point where the US dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar, which years ago would have been a joke. So even though demand is flat, prices have risen. Again, the fault of the government. Now I don't know what greedy people you're referring to. Maybe you meant government and the parasites who depend on it. But if you meant oil companies, you're wildly uninformed. I'm sure they'd love to be greedier than the spending-addicted governments of the world, but unlike government they actually have to compete, perform, and balance their budgets.
There's a break down of the numbers here, http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.php.
As for inflation, yep quite so. The cost of gas in terms of gold and silver is down. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
322
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 17:36:00 -
[29] - Quote
Sidus Isaacs wrote: I was refering to any living person that accepts the currnet consumer based monetary system as "natural".
Consumer based monetary system? Sounds like Zeitgeist mumbo jumbo to me.
So long as people wish to trade with one another, and there are not people with guns forcing us to use this or that, or no money, a form of money will emerge. Money has taken many forms, from cows to little bits of paper with fancy pictures on them. Money is a tool, nothing more or less. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
204
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 18:07:00 -
[30] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote: Money has taken many forms, from cows to little bits of paper with fancy pictures on them. Money is a tool, nothing more or less.
You forgot human beings.
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |