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Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 22:09:00 -
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I personally believe that CCP takes Macro's and farming seriously. They certainly take the trading of the proceeds for cash (RMT) seriously, as I have seen just one isk-seller in the past month advertising on channels. This indicates to me that SOMETHING has already been done.
Encouraging Eve Pilots to tackle these 'players' themselves has to be the way forward. Everyone complains about the farmers and Macro'ers...but do many of us actually do anything about them directly? I know some of the candidates take direct action. Some more detail on the impact of Farmer/Macro'ers (such as estimated mineral input to markets, ISK generated and sold etc) would also help emphasise the scale of the problem.
Take care,
Bruce Hansen |
Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 22:34:00 -
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hmm ok, so the x number of farmers in Aramachi that am looking at atm are being baned? (the same ones that has been here for months on end doing nothing but runing missions all day).
No offence taken, mine is just an opinion I'm willing to alter with eveidence to the contrary!
I think I said that CCP was taking the proceeds from the farming/macroing seriously (eg, lack of in-game channel ISK selling in past month).
Are you taking any action against these farmers, or posting in anyplace accessible to players who might do something about them in-game?
How do you tell the difference between a farmer, and someone who is onto a good thing to make easy isk? Farming asteroids and BS spawns etc might be considered acceptable in alliance 0.0 space to make ISK.
I'm not defending these guys at all, just wondering why you think CCP needs to do all the in-game work? They have to prove use of Macro's, or that something untoward is being done with the proceeds (eg, RMT)...the later seems to be the way they have chosen.
Take care,
Bruce Hansen |
Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 22:59:00 -
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I have another question: are they in any specific breach of the EULA?
The reason I ask is this: If CCP (as it appears at present) are targeting the RMT end of the cycle, maybe there is some line farmers have to cross before they can be banned? Using the proceeds from their farming for Real world purposes might be this line...
Take care,
Bruce Hansen (Arithron) |
Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arithron on 03/05/2008 23:08:01
Ahh, therefore they are not in breach of the EULA, and hence action can't be taken by CCP? Certainly not until prove of RMT or Macro use surfaces...
I suspect there are alts of players that 'farm' often to generate isk. Certainly, complexes used to be farmed for high value items. BS spawns probably still are. This style of play might not sit comfortably with some players, but since its within the EULA it has to be tolerated.
Unless the EULA is changed...
Take care,
Bruce Hansen (Arithron) |
Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 07:29:00 -
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In the EULA, Item 7-A-3: You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
I'm in full agreement with others on their stance against Macro's (and other 3rd party software). I was trying to point out that farmers present a different challenge, since they aren't technically in breach of the EULA (since anyone could do what they are doing, and they aren't accelerating anything). Thus, CCP can currently only address the RMT area associated with this. I see this as two different areas. Firstly, things can be farmed. Secondly, items from in-game activities are sold for real money (RMT). One is currently not in breach of the EULA, the other definately is and is acted upon already by CCP (and I'm in full support of them doing so!).
This question might provoke some interesting material for the discussion and move it forward;
How, apart from scale, is farming missions any different than alliances farming BS spawns and asteroids?
Take care,
Bruce Hansen |
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