zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.04 08:58:00 -
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i could now say: i will remove the bots hoho - vote me
or i can say:
this annoys me personally since years.
most of us work hard for their ISK w/o macros, lose ship, invent clever business ideas and
some of us get rich, and some of us stay poor (look at me, i have 30 mil on account)
i understand that from ccp POV it is sometimes not easy to tell who is a "farmer" and who not.
Its easy to call for their heads, but its not easy to collect legal evidence.
Of course, ccp could kick players base on guesses or potential blackmailing of a concurrent corporation/alliance. Should they do it? certainly not.
Do they have the manpower to monitor all hubs? mind you, the crowd insists that ccp doesnt enter the game themself...
Leaves us with teh conclusion, the only reasonable way would be an automatic one with a detection rate that is very high, to avoid kicking out the odd upright player that is just very good at mining.
That is a difficult task.
The CSM can, and will (that much is sure no matter who gets voted in)
address this issue ever and ever again as long it exist.
And ccp will or will not listen, but even if they listen it does not guarantee they know a technical solution to the problem.
if a pattern can be recognised, and an automatism would start to be reliable
you can bet your boots on the fact that the macro-programmes will adaptm and add a randomizer routine to it... and so on and so on.
however, of course ccp needs to be pushed harder to assign more ressources to address this topic
as it is a danger for the entire "free market experiment" as they would like to call it
to the press.
a) why are ISK sellers not facing legal measurements?
you see the bloody adds even on listed fansites
b) no follow up / transparency / confirmatin from a GM to a report filed by a player
you get a "thank you" and next month that character you report is still logged in and harvesting
stuff like that can be addressed and will be.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 04/05/2008 16:34:36
 Originally by: Bunyip
I use a 5 step process to identify macroers....a task which I'm not sure a program could duplicate. I'll list it below for anybody dedicated to destroying macroers.
1) Mining in a group (Macroers nearly always mine in groups, and if a player is using a macro, he'd probably be alone)
2) Personal Info (Macro groups normally are born on the same day, and have mostly nonsense names)
3) Convo Request (If the request isn't answered in 30 seconds, the person is either AFK or a macroer)
4) Bump (If they're not macroers, they're gonna get upset)
5) Canflip (I do this only if the other tests fail. This is the last straw usually if the above test gives incorrect results)
Hope this helps. I've reported over 100 macroers using the above testing process, but haven't seen any results.
- Bunyip
yes, these are strong indications - but non of these is proof
in order for ccp to do somthing there need to be proof.
nonsens characternames created same day, are absolutely EULA compliant.
Nothing anyone can do about it.
peopel who autoreject are frequent, i mean normal pilots. especially in pvp
they hate to be convoed during battle - no proof of a macro
bumping, yeah as you said - he might be gandhi in a barge, or afk - no crime, no violation in that, nothing CCP can do
so a program could certainly do the same test and generate a "likehood" value.
but even if all factors hit 100% - none of them is a violation against law, no legal reason to take legal steps.
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if one can measure a respons of only milliseconds like
- cargo bay full, unload to can took less than 0.5 sec , then we start getting closer to
a proof, however - as soon that detection method is used, the macro-programmer just adds a random delay to it and the proof is gone.
if you consider a bump as a strong indicator, then teh macroer just adds a bump-response
scripts that flame at people randomly from databases of more than a few hundred flame sentences
have already been used in 1980s modem/bbs scene before you and me had internet.
I *cough* operated such a thing :)
All i am saying is, CCP must obey the law. If they dont, the scandal in the press would be
desastrous.
As long they cant see what client side code is beeing executed, they can only act base up on good or not so good guessing :((
you wont like to read these lines, but i am a realist also now.
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