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Learyth
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:49:00 -
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How do you feel that proper representation should be addressed? I.E. If the CSM is filled with representatives of just the major PVP player Alliances. Who is going to represent those that live within Emp space? Can you as a Candidate, being a member of one of the major Alliances, whether it be Goon, BoB, whom ever. Can you honestly say you know what the pilots in Emp space are talking about?
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Learyth How do you feel that proper representation should be addressed? I.E. If the CSM is filled with representatives of just the major PVP player Alliances. Who is going to represent those that live within Emp space? Can you as a Candidate, being a member of one of the major Alliances, whether it be Goon, BoB, whom ever. Can you honestly say you know what the pilots in Emp space are talking about?
Large alliances are not disconnected from empire space. Everyone does a lot of logistics in the area and many people have alts which partake in the same things that all the empire dwellers do.
Frankly i don't think there is a candidate from any major alliance who would be so disconnected from Empire that they could not understand and represent the views of those who live in Empire.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Frankly i don't think there is a candidate from any major alliance who would be so disconnected from Empire that they could not understand and represent the views of those who live in Empire.
I beg to differ. From the campaign, at least what I have seen, this isn't true. At least they haven't even tried.
I think that while they might know something about it, it's not as comprehensive as other candidates experience.
Personally I'm NOT in a big alliance. But i have done about everything in game, other than cosmos missions really.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.05 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 05/05/2008 06:23:52 I think if one representant from one of the large alliances sit in CSM it would not be an issue
it becomes an issue when you see 6 of their people at least - candidating.
But you should know this: the larger an alliance the less they are pure 0.0 pvp
- 4000 people make up for 3000 carebears, and the remaining are seen in wars occasionally ... perhaps. (this is not ment to be an offense guys, its an observation ive made and a logical conclusion no one can hold space w/o some carebear help in the long run)
yeah i know those numbers are not accurate to the point behind the komma, but thats irrelevant.
my point is: i do believe, that they have huge carebear divisions, industry backbones, "pets" etc so their opinion on things in eve may be surprisingly earth bound and inline with yours or mine. If this is the case will certainly reveal during this debates of course.
having said that, i think it is entirely up to the voters to promote independant candidates and do background research on everyones employment history - especially changes made right before the campaign started, or during - and then, so they view it necessary, vote accordingly.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Learyth How do you feel that proper representation should be addressed? I.E. If the CSM is filled with representatives of just the major PVP player Alliances. Who is going to represent those that live within Emp space? Can you as a Candidate, being a member of one of the major Alliances, whether it be Goon, BoB, whom ever. Can you honestly say you know what the pilots in Emp space are talking about?
I've been in what you would probably call a "minor" alliance these days, but I've been in bigger ones such as ASCN, and I've spent plenty of time in corps not part of alliances at all. And that's just with Ben.
I also have five other characters across 2 accounts, 3 of which are in NPC corps doing their own thing in Empire, be it checking markets, dropping cynos, building stuff, hauling stuff, researching stuff or running missions.
So in most cases I'd say yes, I think I do know what pilots in Empire are talking about.
/Ben
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:19:00 -
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I don't think the CSM will be filled with representatives for just one group of players. Each type of player will vote for a candidate that represents his/her interest best. So we'll probably end up with some people that live in 0.0 and some carebears and even a goon or two. And I think it's best for the CSM to consist of a mixed group of people. ---
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Learyth How do you feel that proper representation should be addressed? I.E. If the CSM is filled with representatives of just the major PVP player Alliances. Who is going to represent those that live within Emp space?
I'm very much hoping that the CSM won't become a 'Council of Major Alliances' as I don't see that as beneficial to the full range of professional pilots, miners, industrialists and marketeers. There are a number of candidates who live in Empire space the vast majority of the time (indeed, I do myself). As a candidate I can only set out my stall but who gets elected is up to the voters over the next two weeks.
Originally by: Learyth Can you as a Candidate, being a member of one of the major Alliances, whether it be Goon, BoB, whom ever. Can you honestly say you know what the pilots in Emp space are talking about?
I am not a member of one of those, so the question isn't directly relevant, but I would say that the majority of EVE pilots have at least some knowledge of the activities, issues, and problems facing other pilots throughout occupied space.
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Max Torps
Gallente eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Learyth How do you feel that proper representation should be addressed? I.E. If the CSM is filled with representatives of just the major PVP player Alliances. Who is going to represent those that live within Emp space? Can you as a Candidate, being a member of one of the major Alliances, whether it be Goon, BoB, whom ever. Can you honestly say you know what the pilots in Emp space are talking about?
Yes. I agree with Goumindong that 0.0 players are intensely connected with Empire and their gameplay is affected by changes there because many 0.0 players do actually play in Empire too.
I have done most things in empire with the exception of cosmos missions and invention, I do live in 0.0 as stated. The alliance I'm in is a tiny alliance that is not currently affiliated with any in the Great War. In fact, it was because of lack of decent pvp (we don't like lagfests or blobbing) in the great war that we left that and decided to go it alone. We also left the sovereignty game behind and abandoned our outpost because it just wasn't fun anymore.
So I understand not only the Empire side of things as we go there often and have a presence there in any case, but many of the complaints that the pvp'ers have about blobbing, lagfests and sovereignty as well as the people in between who just want to pvp, because that's where we are at now.
I can see, and to some point understand, this huge divide that appears to exist between Empire dwellers and those in 0.0 but some candidates are capitalising on this unfairly imho. 0.0 players regularly go to Empire for extended breaks and Empire is vital from a logistics point of view.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.05 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Max Torps Yes. I agree with Goumindong that 0.0 players are intensely connected with Empire and their gameplay is affected by changes there because many 0.0 players do actually play in Empire too.
I have done most things in empire with the exception of cosmos missions and invention, I do live in 0.0 as stated. The alliance I'm in is a tiny alliance that is not currently affiliated with any in the Great War. In fact, it was because of lack of decent pvp (we don't like lagfests or blobbing) in the great war that we left that and decided to go it alone. We also left the sovereignty game behind and abandoned our outpost because it just wasn't fun anymore.
So I understand not only the Empire side of things as we go there often and have a presence there in any case, but many of the complaints that the pvp'ers have about blobbing, lagfests and sovereignty as well as the people in between who just want to pvp, because that's where we are at now.
I can see, and to some point understand, this huge divide that appears to exist between Empire dwellers and those in 0.0 but some candidates are capitalising on this unfairly imho. 0.0 players regularly go to Empire for extended breaks and Empire is vital from a logistics point of view.
All fine and dandy and I agree with you that a lot of 0.0 players play in hi-sec too. But that does not mean that they understand or share the concerns of players that live ONLY in hi-sec, those that do not PVP but instead need to get their excitement elsewhere.
Those that run the same dull missions day in day out, or those that spend most of their time staring at roids, sit in stations watching the markets to see if anyone undercut their prices again, or those that are fully dedicated to researching and producing the stuff we all use. Those that spend their playing time doing the same things all day and have no PVP and large alliance of friends to fall back to.
POS warfare might be boring and repetetive, but that's not the only part of Eve that could use some spice. ---
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Max Torps
Gallente eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
POS warfare might be boring and repetetive, but that's not the only part of Eve that could use some spice.
I agree with you. That's why I want missions made more exciting too and have stated many times. It's on my campaign page as well as repeated throughout my blog and posts.
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Learyth
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.05 17:32:00 -
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Thank you all for your answers. I know from my own past of being in LV and F4T4L that many pvpers also do alot in high sec. But I also realise that while I was in those two alliances that while I was in High Sec. I didn't really pay attention to the locals other then to watch for war targets as I took care of my own logistical needs. This lets me know who's paying attention to what's going on in high sec.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.05 19:21:00 -
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I'd just like to echo two sentiments here. The first is that if you look at the field of candidates, I don't think you should be concerned about the CSM being monopolized by a consortium of major alliances. There are any number of reasons this could be the case. One possible reason is that the people looking the most for solutions tend to be the people feeling the most pain. Another could be that they simply don't care.
I also agree that pilots who live in 0.0 all the time may not understand the types of issues associated with those who live in empire 100% of the time. They will ALWAYS have some ties to empire but probably look at the world through a different lens. My hope is that we'll end up with a pleasant mix.
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Arum Erzoh
Amarr Kreios Imperium
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Posted - 2008.05.05 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Learyth How do you feel that proper representation should be addressed? I.E. If the CSM is filled with representatives of just the major PVP player Alliances. Who is going to represent those that live within Emp space? Can you as a Candidate, being a member of one of the major Alliances, whether it be Goon, BoB, whom ever. Can you honestly say you know what the pilots in Emp space are talking about?
I am not in an alliance. On one hand that gives me a strong sense of what's going on in a given portion of the game. However, because I'm not in an alliance I'm certain there are things I'm not currently exposed to. Also I am in a small corp who spends the better part of their time running missions. I do little PvP, as it's not something I enjoy as much as running missions with friends. So although I may fit the bill for needs/questions there will be others who will see my non-allegiance as a deterrent from earning their vote.
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TornSoul
BIG
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Posted - 2008.05.05 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON My hope is that we'll end up with a pleasant mix.
Agreed.
I'll venture the statement that no one person can be an "expert" in all things EVE - Hence a nice mix is needed to cover as many angles as possible.
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