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Shittake
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:03:00 -
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Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Not wanting to lose my cargo, I immediately MWDed my way back towards the gate from which I came, I was locked and fired upon, but jumped back in time.
It was my understanding the PA member corps and CA member corps had a NAP in this region. If I'm incorrect, please tell me.
My question to CA alliance leadership is do you honor NAPs to which you enter? If so, why does it appear that you have not honored this NAP.
By the way, I was the 3rd to get attacked by CA today.
Please help me understand.
Thanks
****take
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 02:19:31 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:21 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:00
<removed quote from a pilot of ATUK, which is no longer affiliated with the Curse Alliance>
posted in this thread "CA needs to kick the pirate base within their ranks"
ATUK may be gone from Curse Alliance, but several others within their ranks are known to pirate. I suspect contacting their higher-ups might get some results, and I wish you luck.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:55:00 -
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ATUK are not in CA any longer.
Please contact a CA represenative regarding this matter EternalDark - u can mail him in game for example. Not really the place for the forums as i am sure u can agree.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:03:00 -
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Yeah we are the only ebil ones in CA
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Trooble
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:08:00 -
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Quote: Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Where does it say ATUK in that Reverend?
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:15:00 -
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****take the reason for this being is because the origional NAP stated that we wouldnt bother eachother NOR would we trespass on eachothers territory. All this press releasing crap has clouded the clear. Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated.
Basicly nothing has changed, only RKK is alot louder on the forums.
Dont forget that just because we arent one giant corp anymore doesnt mean we arent the force we used to be. --------------------------------------------
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trooble
Quote: Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Where does it say ATUK in that Reverend?
That's my fault. ATUK _WAS_ curse and I quoted one of their pilots. Reverend was responding to me. I'll edit my post. =============== Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trooble
Quote: Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Where does it say ATUK in that Reverend?
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Shittake
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 28/04/2004 02:54:00 Robotek, thank for adding to my understanding.
The problem is, our diplomats have been talking with CA's diplomats, and to my knowledge, the temporary NAP between the PA and the CA is still in effect.
As far as I know, Reikoku is not in the PA (which is probably why they didn't warn me before I jumped where they were camping, to which the other side was camped by Oracles/FE camping party). Thanks for the "heads-up" Reikoku.
I have heard alot of bad press about the CA, but I always give people the "benefit of the doubt". I started this thread because I want to undestand the CA's reason for attacking me today. I made no provocative or agressive actions towards them and was targetted and shot at without a convo or message in local chat. Just shooting, no talking.
I would just like to know the "whys" of attacks against my corp and alliance mates over the past few days, in a region to which CA & PA diplomats have a temporary NAP on agressive actions.
I'm not whining or complaining, just looking for reasons.
Thanks
****take
The thing is, I'd rather
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:10:00 -
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You have a NAP. Why would we NEED to give you a heads-up?
*grins*
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/04/2004 03:24:53
S-hittake, your answer is further up the page in this thread from Robotech Hybrid.
Quote: ... the reason for this being is because the origional NAP stated that we wouldnt bother eachother NOR would we trespass on eachothers territory. All this press releasing crap has clouded the clear. Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated. -- robotek hybrid
He basically says that FE exiles in Curse are considering that your NAP with CA is the old NAP with FE. Which means that PA is not allowed into Tribute and Vale.
Thats why they shot at you.
Basically I think you have been sold the wrong NAP by whoever did the negotiation.
So now comes a decision time.
Keep this "NAP" with CA(FE/Oracles) and PA is not allowed into Tribute/Vale.
Or reject the "NAP" and join FU/CoD/RKK/Celest/Norad/Jericho and the northern allies in the fight to make Tribute/Vale a free territory.
And thats pretty much the choice.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 28/04/2004 03:24:49 some more FYI
Blazing Dawn & R.U.S.H. have fired for the first time on R-K members in Syndicate/Solitude region TODAY
We have ALL logs to prove it, and have contacted Blazing Dawn (no reply).
R.U.S.H has yet to be contacted
CA ball is now in your court.
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gafton on 28/04/2004 03:31:43 lmao jade you're funny.
Quote: OH but miss constantine :) the nap also states that we will leave THEM alone and they have the right to blow us to hell and back if we enter Venal
Funny, cause you'd shoot us if we came into curse :) CA must have their heads up their collective a.s.s.e.s. Either that or you're all illeterate.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:27:00 -
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OH but miss constantine :) the nap also states that we will leave THEM alone and they have the right to blow us to hell and back if we enter Venal. Its a mutual agreement meaning we will leave each other alone. Oh and ive taken bjorns job as pass giver outer of the vale region for any corp that wants to propser in 0.0 :)...
oh wait i cant because rkk are waring with us o well it seems rkk doesnt want corporations to propser in free space such as vale of the silent.
naughty RKK CO. trying to put down the free members of EVE :) --------------------------------------------
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:28:00 -
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LLebring, you and I have had hard words in the past but I really don't like to see you guys getting made to look like idiots over this false NAP. Clearly you expected it to mean something other than ... (FE/Oracles of Curse) keep dominion over Tribute like they did when they still had a corp.
Seriously, bin the NAP and come out fighting. At this stage it really is your best option.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:32:00 -
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Quote: OH but miss constantine :) the nap also states that we will leave THEM alone and they have the right to blow us to hell and back if we enter Venal. Its a mutual agreement meaning we will leave each other alone. Oh and ive taken bjorns job as pass giver outer of the vale region for any corp that wants to propser in 0.0 :)...
Yes but here is the thing mr Hybrid. PA thought they were getting a NAP that meant they could travel safely in Tribute and Vale and now you have explained that actually they are getting the old FE NAP back tranfered into the name of the Oracles of Curse. Colour that anyway you pleade, but you rooked them good and proper.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:32:00 -
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Yeah I agree Jade,
However all I am doing here is relaying the facts so that both PA and CA members know. Our second incident is in Solitude/Syndicate, which is obviously not near Tribute or Vale.
Previous post above tells of the corps.
like I said, next move is CA
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:42:00 -
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jade, we were NOT getting the old fe nap. Negotiations were for a whole new nap with new conditions. Certain ca corps apparently didnt want to honor the new nap, so we're at our current situation.
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:42:00 -
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I really have to appoligize. PA is right, and I can only assume that there has been miscommunication. I will look into it asap.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gafton jade, we were NOT getting the old fe nap. Negotiations were for a whole new nap with new conditions. Certain ca corps apparently didnt want to honor the new nap, so we're at our current situation.
All i'm doing here is drawing your attention to what Robotek Hybrid (Oracles of Curse) just said. I'm not even interpreting ... its up there in black and white.
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Trooble
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:53:00 -
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Quote: Not wanting to lose my cargo, I immediately MWDed my way back towards the gate from which I came, I was locked and fired upon, but jumped back in time.
If you "thought" you had a NAP, then why on earth were u scared and had to make a run for it, and thinking your gonna lose your cargo eh?
Dont come cryin on the boards you silly little man, its 0.0 space, get used to it.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:59:00 -
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Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:01:00 -
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yea jade i also said that unless anything changed while iwas gone the one time ytou dont take something from context. im sorry that i was inactive the past 4 days but i have to write a speech a really friggin long one so if theres a new nap that says PA can travel wherever the hell they want then my guess is the pilots were uninformed as was i to what happened ill personally reimburse thta pilot with my sorry arese isk i have left now that i paid my debts.
so jade if u would like to continue to tarnish what weve been trying to polish do it in game and blow up soomething bigger than my griffon next time please and thank you --------------------------------------------
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:05:00 -
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Quote: so jade if u would like to continue to tarnish what weve been trying to polish do it in game and blow up soomething bigger than my griffon next time please and thank you
You were the man brought a griffon to a frigate fight old chap, no point crying about it now ;)
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Marlene Shian
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 02:19:31 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:21 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:00
<removed quote from a pilot of ATUK, which is no longer affiliated with the Curse Alliance>
posted in this thread "CA needs to kick the pirate base within their ranks"
ATUK may be gone from Curse Alliance, but several others within their ranks are known to pirate. I suspect contacting their higher-ups might get some results, and I wish you luck.
Dont you have corp1 in your ranks?
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:50:00 -
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matter resolved
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Marlene Shian
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 02:19:31 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:21 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:00
<removed quote from a pilot of ATUK, which is no longer affiliated with the Curse Alliance>
posted in this thread "CA needs to kick the pirate base within their ranks"
ATUK may be gone from Curse Alliance, but several others within their ranks are known to pirate. I suspect contacting their higher-ups might get some results, and I wish you luck.
Dont you have corp1 in your ranks?
LOL, NO!
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thuggie
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: thuggie on 28/04/2004 05:28:30 i belive corp1 is pritty much KOS for any major alliance.
But this is not the first time i've heard about The Oracles of Curse "pirating" - if you can call it that.
A good friend of mine who started playing EVE not to long ago lost his first cruiser in 0.4 space to these guys... way to go, anti-pirates.
I know that CA has for some time clained *.*(everything) in EVE to justify their wars... fair enaugh, atleast they know whats comming... but 0.4? Are you trying to claim semi-empire? Or can you admit that this corp is blowing up noobs for no reason?
Atleast leave some room for noobs to explore this game without loosing what they've worked for the last months because you are bored. Hell.. atleast space invaders would web and warpscramble you untill you've emptyed your cargohold and donated some isk - atleast thats the general idea - Things dont allways go according to plans i suppose
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: thuggie Edited by: thuggie on 28/04/2004 05:28:30 i belive corp1 is pritty much KOS for any major alliance.
But this is not the first time i've heard about The Oracles of Curse "pirating" - if you can call it that.
A good friend of mine who started playing EVE not to long ago lost his first cruiser in 0.4 space to these guys... way to go, anti-pirates.
I know that CA has for some time clained *.*(everything) in EVE to justify their wars... fair enaugh, atleast they know whats comming... but 0.4? Are you trying to claim semi-empire? Or can you admit that this corp is blowing up noobs for no reason?
Atleast leave some room for noobs to explore this game without loosing what they've worked for the last months because you are bored. Hell.. atleast space invaders would web and warpscramble you untill you've emptyed your cargohold and donated some isk - atleast thats the general idea - Things dont allways go according to plans i suppose
Wow...incredible how far our grasp is considering we've been around for 2 weeks...
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Chelsea rorec
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:56:00 -
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One of my guys was fired on by AUI nitros in A2-V27 even tho i spammed the nap in local ..when approached in a private chat and asked why he said he fires on everyone and when i said i would report it him and his cronies he got in from RUS got hostile and said they will fire on any PA ships.
[ 2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp [ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
Some serious miscommunication here. Next time ill have my pilots defend themselfs
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