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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:41:00 -
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If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.
CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
760
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:47:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.
CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now.
Don't confuse fact and fiction.
A vocal minority of forum dwelling bittervets threatening to quit using all their alts to best advantage is not the same as cancellations.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
oldbutfeelingyoung
365
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:52:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.
CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now.
pls get me the link to the graphs concerning players leaving only for WIS We Rabble Because We Care!!!!!! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1750
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:01:00 -
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Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
365
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:11:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage.
yes i was around and i was angry but it wasn,t about WIS. dissapointed ? yes ,about that 1 room
but the NEX store and some leaked documents made me angry.
Still believe that WIS could benefit to EVE in a great deal We Rabble Because We Care!!!!!! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
761
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:14:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage.
Ah yes. The summer of whiny bitches.
I was one of the one's shooting down all the faceless alts posting in the farcical comedy known as the 'I quit' thread.
You know... the characters that were at most two days old, had only one post in their history, no standings, no sec status and still in NPC corps. Yup. I well remember those days.
The desperation of the bittervet is a thing to behold, sometimes.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
401
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:03:00 -
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Clearly all the people who said they would quit didn't. That's why CCP pushed forward with their Crapcarna plans. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1214
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:48:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts. Peter Raptor wrote:They delivered WIS, and it turned out to be a pathetic waste of resources, and so, that many people unsubscribed, that World of Darkness was put on backburner indefinitelly cos the devs couldnt be paid.
WIS = Good Riddance The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS. Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU.
Ladie Harlot wrote:If the majority of Eve players wanted WiS there wouldn't have been so many cancellations over the summer.
CCP finally got the message. Don't try and confuse them now.
Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU.
The 1001 Papercuts thread - list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003. Expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content. CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - overpriced items and threat of 'Gold Ammo'. The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good. CCP viewing Eve Online as the Golden Goose. Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say." CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'. Ignoring the player base with lack of communication. CCP dividing development resources to work on 3 different projects. Excessive thread locking and banned accounts attempting to diffuse the situation. Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forcing participation. Releasing poorly written unoptimized code resulting in client side issues.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:53:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:[quote=Doc Fury] Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forcing participation.
"The door" thread before censorship was the best forum thread ever in existence since the beginning of the universe. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
477
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:06:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU.
I did not make a statement intended to be perceived by the reader as factual, you did. If I ever do something like that and don't provide any evidence to back it up feel free to call me out on it. I am asking for your evidence. Do you actually have any you can show us?
Either backup your claim with some facts or just admit that you are just making stuff up to lend credence to your position. It's that simple. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1214
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:23:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. I did not make a statement intended to be perceived by the reader as factual, you did. If I ever do something like that and don't provide any evidence to back it up feel free to call me out on it. I am asking for your evidence. Do you actually have any you can show us? Either backup your claim with some facts or just admit that you are just making stuff up to lend credence to your position. It's that simple.
Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Anyway, up in the top right corner of this page is the word 'Archives'. Click it and navigate back to the Summer of 2011 and then back to 2006. Browse the various threads posted during that time. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
477
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:35:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. I did not make a statement intended to be perceived by the reader as factual, you did. If I ever do something like that and don't provide any evidence to back it up feel free to call me out on it. I am asking for your evidence. Do you actually have any you can show us? Either backup your claim with some facts or just admit that you are just making stuff up to lend credence to your position. It's that simple. Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Anyway, up in the top right corner of this page is the word 'Archives'. Click it and navigate back to the Summer of 2011 and then back to 2006. Browse the various threads posted during that time.
Nope, just calling you out for making stuff up and then trying to shift the burden of proof to me because you can't.
Where is the exact information that backs up your claim? If it exists certainly you can quote it here and link to it? I want to see exactly where over 150K accounts have voiced an opinion backing up your claim or where CCP has released some statistics.
Otherwise without having any direct evidence, you only *perceive* what you believe is true, and that's fine as long as you admit it's only your opinion and don't try to pass it off as a fact as you keep doing.
But by all means keep going with the ad hominem, you are at least good at doing that. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1757
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:49:00 -
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Is thread still about asking CCP to break their promise to focus on space content? It's a little hard to follow with all the sperging. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Cierejai
Front Line Animal Helpers
3
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Posted - 2012.03.04 01:21:00 -
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CCP already did WiS and the playerbase hated it. The playerbase wants CCP to focus on gameplay additions rather then meaningless fluff, which negatively impacts the game.
$70 monocles have spoken. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
767
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:03:00 -
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Cierejai wrote:CCP already did WiS and the playerbase hated it. The playerbase wants CCP to focus on gameplay additions rather then meaningless fluff, which negatively impacts the game.
$70 monocles have spoken.
First off , show the actual place where you can walk in a station. Someone open the door while I was looking the other way?
And secondly, a handful of whiny forum alts is not in any way representative of the playerbase, so y'all can stop bandying that term around.
The only meaningless fluff I can see here is your posting.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:27:00 -
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so many hate on the WIS project, personel i like the idea behind it but you guys think WIS will destroyed eve or think its more a WoW game then eve i think you guys need to wake up... I hope CCP ignore some of the hate in WIS but deliverd as promiss.... |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
479
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:31:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Steveir
Hagukure Empire Industry
34
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage. Ah yes. The summer of whiny bitches. I was one of the one's shooting down all the faceless alts posting in the farcical comedy known as the 'I quit' thread. You know... the characters that were at most two days old, had only one post in their history, no standings, no sec status and still in NPC corps. Yup. I well remember those days. The desperation of the bittervet is a thing to behold, sometimes. Mr Epeen
Thanks that gave me a chuckle :) I still fail to understand way WiS generates some much hostility; a lot of players, including myself, look forward to a decent implimentation of this; anyone who has played MMOs know that you can have several 100 avitars running around together without the universe imploding. Admittedly, Captain's quarters is unlikely to draw in new players as it stands, but a proper station enviroment and "mini games" will draw players into Eve as done properly they will feel they can play a game that doesn't require years of experience to get into. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1761
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Posted - 2012.03.04 04:24:00 -
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Steveir wrote: I still fail to understand way WiS generates some much hostility.
It's not complicated. CCP ignored Eve to work on Space Barbie for two years. People got fed up paying a subscription fee to beta test the WoD engine and then the leaks coming from inside CCP about their masterplan for microstransactions was the straw that broke the camel's back.
A bunch of people ragequit, CCP flew CSM6 to Iceland to tell them what was going on and now things are back on track. That's why I hate seeing things like the OP asking CCP to change direction now that the game is starting to improve.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vagrin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.04 04:56:00 -
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Herold Oldtimer wrote:They are still working on it, so they are still holding on to that promise. And they will deliver on it, when its ready.
And you know that how? |
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Tagera
Unity Systems Engineering The Dog Pound
41
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:00:00 -
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Steveir wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Apparently you guys weren't around for the Summer of Rage. Ah yes. The summer of whiny bitches. I was one of the one's shooting down all the faceless alts posting in the farcical comedy known as the 'I quit' thread. You know... the characters that were at most two days old, had only one post in their history, no standings, no sec status and still in NPC corps. Yup. I well remember those days. The desperation of the bittervet is a thing to behold, sometimes. Mr Epeen Thanks that gave me a chuckle :) I still fail to understand way WiS generates some much hostility; a lot of players, including myself, look forward to a decent implimentation of this; anyone who has played MMOs know that you can have several 100 avitars running around together without the universe imploding. Admittedly, Captain's quarters is unlikely to draw in new players as it stands, but a proper station enviroment and "mini games" will draw players into Eve as done properly they will feel they can play a game that doesn't require years of experience to get into.
Yes, several hundred avatars running around is possible. Many games have done it. And yes, a proper station environment and mini-games will draw players into Eve. However, I doubt very few will stay long once they realize that they have to A: Undock to make any isk for the most part, at least at first to get started. B: Train the skills to make that isk which will make them impatient since the average 1x skill to lvl is 20hours or so. C: They will also realize that there is no gameplay to be found on a station other then walking around, conversing and mini-games.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:04:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:CCP also promised that WIS wouldn't take away from the development of EVE. Considering WiS was developed for Eve, your statement is incorrect. CCP had divided it's development resources to work on DUST514, World Of Darkness and Eve, in that order which basically gave Eve the short end of the stick.
WIS tech was developed for spinning-off WoD and other potential CCP ventures, and EVE subscribers were intended to be the beta testers for that tech.
Otherwise you have it correct about the short end of the stick.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ai Shun
333
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Posted - 2012.03.04 07:29:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.
However, I suspect not. One would think that if the "majority of the player base" wanted it CCP would devote more resources to it. It's not smart business sense to ignore the features the "majority" of your customers want, right?
I'm one of the ones that wants it, but not over the core EVE game.
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Ai Shun
333
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Posted - 2012.03.04 07:30:00 -
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Vagrin wrote:And you know that how?
Because they said so in the thread I told you to go read. (Refer back to post #4) You could skim the dev posts and you would be up to speed. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1216
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Posted - 2012.03.04 08:44:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims. However, I suspect not. One would think that if the "majority of the player base" wanted it CCP would devote more resources to it. It's not smart business sense to ignore the features the "majority" of your customers want, right? I'm one of the ones that wants it, but not over the core EVE game. Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.
By the way, CCP has had a long history of ignoring the player base pertaining to a lot of different aspects in this game which was the reason for the '1001 Papercuts' threadnaught.
Ladie Harlot wrote:
It's not complicated. CCP ignored Eve to work on Space Barbie for two years. People got fed up paying a subscription fee to beta test the WoD engine and then the leaks coming from inside CCP about their masterplan for microstransactions was the straw that broke the camel's back.
A bunch of people ragequit, CCP flew CSM6 to Iceland to tell them what was going on and now things are back on track. That's why I hate seeing things like the OP asking CCP to change direction now that the game is starting to improve.
Funny, in the past 3 years CCP has added a lot of content to this game but hey, keep singing your same ole troll tune that CCP has ignored Eve due to working on WiS. |
Ai Shun
333
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:13:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ai Shun wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims. However, I suspect not. One would think that if the "majority of the player base" wanted it CCP would devote more resources to it. It's not smart business sense to ignore the features the "majority" of your customers want, right? I'm one of the ones that wants it, but not over the core EVE game. Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.
I did not make that claim. Read my post again. Now stop trying to deflect; and please supply the data. I am keen to see what the actual numbers are. Or were you lying because you want something? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
484
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Posted - 2012.03.04 14:42:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.
Common fallacy: proving non-existence : when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you.
Common fallacy: ad hominem: An arguer who uses ad hominem, attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.
You cave been asked repeatedly to provide the evidence to backup your claim, and at each turn you attempt to use the above common fallacies to deflect. Perhaps you should pose your statements as opinions in the future to avoid being asked these pesky questions that serve to illustrate you are making stuff up to suit your agenda. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:58:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:[quote=Muad 'dib]You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.
Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P if you remove mining ,research, exploration and production ,EVE is FIS only Most of the mentally challenged that post in here see 'FIS' when viewing the word 'sandbox'. Strange, but true. Mr Epeen how sandboxy can you get with creative emoting? wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.04 16:02:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:[quote=Muad 'dib]You know that eve is a spaceship game and thats their oldest promise.
Yeah walking in cells wasnt a great start, but ships before hoes right :P if you remove mining ,research, exploration and production ,EVE is FIS only mining, research, exploration and production, the products of the above activities, what do they do? why do people buy it? the answer is flying in space.
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Vagrin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.05 01:34:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Vagrin wrote:And you know that how? Because they said so in the thread I told you to go read. (Refer back to post #4) You could skim the dev posts and you would be up to speed.
Yes Mamm or rather Sir! < Could not resist, sorry. |
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