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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.07 06:33:00 -
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I've read about a dozen CSM candidate information posts in detail and am having trouble deciding on who to vote.
For one I have only read a small amount of campaigns compared to the total amount of candidates, which makes me wonder if I am missing "a better candidate".
Secondly it is getting hard to differentiate between what I would say are the top 3 of the 12 I read. All 3 have some positive points and some negative points but in general seem like good honest folks who would do a good job.
So this is where I'm stuck and have a barrage of questions in relation with voting. 1) What are the tendacies? Often in real life elections we can see who is leading and who is falling behind. It adds motivation to candidates and gives an indication on who to inform oneself about. 2) Knowing there will be 9 elected members, would it be wiser to vote for the less popular candidates to help them get into the top 9? I know some are practically sure of being in the top 9 as they have very good and solid campaigns. I feel as if my single vote has too much weight yet not enough importance. 3) If I'm not sure, do I vote for a random favourite or simply abstain?
It feels as if the candidates have put tons of effort into getting votes but the voting system fails in delivering this said effort to the best candidates for the job.
I dunno, atm I just feel like shouting "AAARGH sh*t wtf wth, ah whatever" and just let this pass as some Lai-Dai related RP story we get in the players news center (which are a good read but it stays there). So my question is rather to the voters (although CMS inputs are welcome); what motivated you to vote for your candidate (names not needed)? What did you look for in your candidate? How many did you read before taking your decision?
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.07 06:33:00 -
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I've read about a dozen CSM candidate information posts in detail and am having trouble deciding on who to vote.
For one I have only read a small amount of campaigns compared to the total amount of candidates, which makes me wonder if I am missing "a better candidate".
Secondly it is getting hard to differentiate between what I would say are the top 3 of the 12 I read. All 3 have some positive points and some negative points but in general seem like good honest folks who would do a good job.
So this is where I'm stuck and have a barrage of questions in relation with voting. 1) What are the tendacies? Often in real life elections we can see who is leading and who is falling behind. It adds motivation to candidates and gives an indication on who to inform oneself about. 2) Knowing there will be 9 elected members, would it be wiser to vote for the less popular candidates to help them get into the top 9? I know some are practically sure of being in the top 9 as they have very good and solid campaigns. I feel as if my single vote has too much weight yet not enough importance. 3) If I'm not sure, do I vote for a random favourite or simply abstain?
It feels as if the candidates have put tons of effort into getting votes but the voting system fails in delivering this said effort to the best candidates for the job.
I dunno, atm I just feel like shouting "AAARGH sh*t wtf wth, ah whatever" and just let this pass as some Lai-Dai related RP story we get in the players news center (which are a good read but it stays there). So my question is rather to the voters (although CMS inputs are welcome); what motivated you to vote for your candidate (names not needed)? What did you look for in your candidate? How many did you read before taking your decision? |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.07 06:43:00 -
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Well, the first 5 slots of CSM are already decided, really, by big alliances.
So you should probably vote for a non-alliance person.
And then, who to vote for? Vote for the person who is most dedicated and the person who can bring YOUR opinions the CCP.
It's a shame to vote abstain, when you could make a difference, to limit big alliances' huge influence on the game. The people who AREN'T interested in big alliances, should have an equal say. |
zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.07 06:49:00 -
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not sure if the CSM candidates are the right audience for this question.
By the way I fear some people will get into it not for their good campaign but their big lobby. This is what you certainly can help to avoid, unless you admire that person too for his content and attitude, estimated added value to the game, and all players alike...
Some others have a lousy frontpage but a lot of solid display in discussions. (i think i have a lousy manifesto, my ideas started to pop up and shape during this campaign because only now i start to get a feeling for what the players want. Until then i had only my own opinions which are, of course not relevant)
I dont see an alternative but to at least read through everybodys linked candidate-threads and make an educated decision thereafter. There is enough time, and no rush at all.
Please find all our threads on page 2-x in this forum, its worth it.
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Corduroy Rab
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.07 07:05:00 -
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My advise would be to not over think your voting. If others want to vote tactically that is their choice, but I think it is not in keeping with the spirit of this endeavor.
I understand what you mean, there are a lot of candidates to get to know and I think they all want to help the betterment of eve. If you are narrowed down to three choices what I would do is look at their record with the community.
I won't mention here how I voted but a large part of the reason I chose the candidate that I did (aside from agreeing with many of his opinions) was because of his track record for actively working for the betterment and advancement of the community at large.
As for choosing between abstaining and voting randomly, I don't know. I would hate to see you throw your vote away, but at the same time it would be just as bad to vote for someone based on a roll of the dice.
I am not sure if that is any help, but I hope it is to some degree.
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Arum Erzoh
Amarr Kreios Imperium
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:34:00 -
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There is a lot of good advise here, but ultimately the vote is yours to cast.
All of this is new and none of us really know how it'll play out in the end. To be honest, I was really surprised to learn that only 97 people even applied to the CSM (with 64 of us actually getting through the approval process). In a game of 300,000, 97 just seemed oh so small. On top of that I'm guessing less than 50% are even going to vote - and a large portion of that may be abstention votes.
As has been pointed out there are candidates here from large alliances, and it would be my assumption that a large part of their alliances will be voting them in - which is perfectly fine. So the top third of the 9 candidates are likely to be a shoe-in for the position. The mid third may be from the candidates with name recognition, members of large corps, or simply the people who've done a bang-up job campaigning. Neither of these two groups have risen into the position in anything but an honorable way. Last, are the 2-3 spots that will likely be filled by those who have none of the above assets. These candidates may be independent players, casual players, or simply people who've put together a nice website, answered forum questions well, etc.
In any case, finding the "right candidate" for you will involve a lot of reading and research. Being an informed voter often means taking the time to do so. I know it's rough and many players here have asked awesome questions to attempt to discern who they should vote for. I wish I had a straight answer for you, but I don't.
I wish you the best in your efforts.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 16:46:00 -
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I don't wish to attempt to influence your vote in either way but would like tt say a few things regarding some comments in this thread and speak to your concerns.
Firstly I believe the idea that the CSM will be dominated by "major" alliances to be hilariously overblown. This assumes that there are a field of several candidates who are representing major alliances (there aren't), and that those alliances will wield their votes in concert (most aren't). I honestly believe that anyone running in this race FROM a major alliance is actually an underdog. Look at the heat I have been generating, which is exactly the kind of double standard we expected.
Regarding your vote. Vote your conscience. Don't vote because some candidate chose to blow sunshine up your rear saying they'd give you invincible mining space and guarantee you'll never have to deal with PVP. Don't vote because a candidate told you they'd redesign your pet spaceship, or change the way the game works entirely by making everything explode...
The CSM simply doesn't have the power to deliver any of that. Least of all if CCP disagrees and in many of those cases I believe they should. You should vote for a representative you believe will do the best job at presenting the issues that the community at large is concerned with to the CCP Council.
There may be ancillary concerns as well but I believe that to be the heart of the matter. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/05/2008 17:01:13
The reality of the vote is that with a lowish turnout Big Alliance candidates are a sure thing for the first 4-5 seats on the council. This is politics really, the Goon primary winner is likely going to be the council chairman unless we have a huge turnout from smaller votes to confront and overturn the block-vote. Of the list of candidates I see 3-4 more who are almost certain to get a seat due to the voting power of their host alliances/allies whatever they say or do at this point.
IĈm biased obviously (since I come from a small alliance and we're not even asking our own members to vote anything other than ôwith their conscienceö) and that means that IĈm taking on a 1500+ block vote disadvantage on the first 4-5 rivals to even get a seat ahead of some very good independent candidates that IĈd love to see on the council themselves.
Bottom line is this: donĈt vote for big alliance candidates if you want to see good independents involved with this thing. The big-alliance guys have got their own support and they honestly donĈt need you. The independents do.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/05/2008 17:01:13
The reality of the vote is that with a lowish turnout Big Alliance candidates are a sure thing for the first 4-5 seats on the council. This is politics really, the Goon primary winner is likely going to be the council chairman unless we have a huge turnout from smaller votes to confront and overturn the block-vote. Of the list of candidates I see 3-4 more who are almost certain to get a seat due to the voting power of their host alliances/allies whatever they say or do at this point.
IĈm biased obviously (since I come from a small alliance and we're not even asking our own members to vote anything other than ôwith their conscienceö) and that means that IĈm taking on a 1500+ block vote disadvantage on the first 4-5 rivals to even get a seat ahead of some very good independent candidates that IĈd love to see on the council themselves.
Bottom line is this: donĈt vote for big alliance candidates if you want to see good independents involved with this thing. The big-alliance guys have got their own support and they honestly donĈt need you. The independents do.
Any statement regarding voter turnout or who will benefit from it is pure conjecture as the election is closed until the results are tallied. I don't understand why people feel a need to insinuate otherwise. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Any statement regarding voter turnout or who will benefit from it is pure conjecture as the election is closed until the results are tallied. I don't understand why people feel a need to insinuate otherwise.
Lets not be silly about it Darius. You and I both full well that if we get a 10% general turnout thats 20,000 votes split creating a likely 1000 vote mark for election. If we get 20% thats up to 2000 ish. In a low turnout scenario the Big Alliance block voting is more powerful. Hence why I'm very keen on seeing voter participation and as many enthusiastic and informed votes as possible.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Any statement regarding voter turnout or who will benefit from it is pure conjecture as the election is closed until the results are tallied. I don't understand why people feel a need to insinuate otherwise.
Lets not be silly about it Darius. You and I both full well that if we get a 10% general turnout thats 20,000 votes split creating a likely 1000 vote mark for election. If we get 20% thats up to 2000 ish. In a low turnout scenario the Big Alliance block voting is more powerful. Hence why I'm very keen on seeing voter participation and as many enthusiastic and informed votes as possible.
I'm just as keen in seeing a large turnout. I simply believe that stating who would benefit from any kind of turnout is as unknowable as knowing what the turnout will be.
Of course if 10000 people vote there will be 10000 votes. That's not what you were saying. You were saying that 4-5 seats were going to "major alliances", which is pure conjecture. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I'm just as keen in seeing a large turnout. I simply believe that stating who would benefit from any kind of turnout is as unknowable as knowing what the turnout will be. Of course if 10000 people vote there will be 10000 votes. That's not what you were saying. You were saying that 4-5 seats were going to "major alliances", which is pure conjecture.
I'll be happy to go on record with that prediction that with a low turnout we are going to get 4-5 candidates from Big Alliances as a near certainty. If we get a higher turnout then anything could happen. I'm glad you want a big turnout as well, thats something we can both agree on. All the best.
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